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Subaru Legacy/Outback



  • otis123otis123 Posts: 438
    Jobs. There you go.

    It would be another story if they were being made in France and exported to the USA (then I would not trust them - right now at least - LOL!)

  • blackbeanblackbean Posts: 100
    I have had Michelin Pilots before - they are excellent but only lasted 30K (and because they were so fun to drive hard! :-) I also have had Dunlop Sport A2's and they are better riding and still pretty sporty and lasted about 40k (same driving :-) So, for the money (about $140 less) I am going with the Dunlops again when the OEM Bridgestones wear out.

    I have been getting around 23 mpg overall with my 2002 LL Bean. I just got back from a 500 mile trip to Vermont, fully loaded, with Thulke skirack loaded and still got 23 MPG (all the extra drag hurt!) and was running mid-grade 89 Octane. I switch to 91 when the ambient temp rises above 60 F because then you need to worry about knock (pre-detonation) sensors compensating and robbing you of power and fuel economy.
  • dmartelldmartell Posts: 3
    What is your opinion on a 1999 Legacy Wagon Brighton with 50K miles and a 5 speed standard transmission for $10,000?
  • idahodougidahodoug Posts: 537
    My opinion is that you're looking at a '99 Brighton with 50k miles for $10,000. Kind of light on details to make a judgement, eh?

    I'd check out used car values here on this site to get an idea, actually....

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Didn't the Brighton lack ABS? Plus it didn't get a roof rack. IMO they look kind of odd without them, at least the wagons do.

    I dunno, it's not well equipped, and it's not exactly a steal in terms of price. I'd spend a little more an at least get an L.

    My rule of thumb is 10% depreciation right away, then 10% every year after that. The '04s are almost here (some already are), so pretty soon that'll be a 5 year old car that should have depreciated 50-60%. That would put the original value at $20-25 grand.

    No, IMO the price is too high. For a better equipped Outback or 2.5GT that would be a deal.

  • Hi, I have a 2003 Subaru Outback sedan with the H-6 engine. I have had problems since I bought the car with it shutting off every 2000 miles or so. I have had it in at the dealer now seven times, and a Subaru rep has down loaded the information from the cars diagnostic computer twice. They have had no luck in determining the problem. At this point they are about to give up since they cannot replicate the problem. Has anyone on here ever heard of this problem as it is very annoying and potentially dangerous. And is there any other recourse than to live with the problem?
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    First off, it's a horizontal layout for the engines, so it's H6 not V6. ;-)

    It's probably a slim 'chance' that the service guys can duplicate the problem that doesn't happen all of the time. They need to duplicate it since they're looking for any codes the OBDII computer might be storing, but it appears as if no codes get thrown by this event.

    By any chance do you have an aftermarket car alarm or starter installed?

  • No I have not added anything to the car. It ran fine until it reached 1500 miles and then it shut off for the first time. The warning lights came on and the engine died, nothing alerted me to the fact that it would shut off. It starts back up immediately and runs fine, until the next event. The Subaru reps took a fuel sample and said the premium gas I am burning is not the problem either.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    I'm just leaving mine on all the time too.

    I just did 3,000 miles in the '97 OB Ltd that I picked up last week or so ago. When I get around to converting all the liters to US gallons, I'll check the mpg. The heated seats are nice, but I really am a cloth guy I've decided....

    Steve, Host
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'd ask for an ECU replacement. The car is brand new and it's happened often enough now that there really is no excuse. They have to start taking actions even if they cannot reproduce the problem.

    At least that's what I'd ask for, politely of course. Work with the dealer, and call 800-SUBARU3 to open up a case file, have SoA help you as well. Remember, be curteous, I used to work for a Help Desk and believe me you get better results that way.

    For those that do not follow the Subaru Crew - Modifications topic, I installed the trim from Bit's Outback on my Legacy. What is interesting is that it's the Plood from a 2000-2001 model, which means I added an extra cup holder. So now I have 3 in front, 2 in back, 5 total. As many as any Subie.

    Check out pics here:

    Thanks bit!

  • ladywclassladywclass Posts: 1,713
    lookin good ....
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Looks good. I bet somebody will want your black plastic trim now!

    So, feeling extremely thirsty today, or are the three cans of soda just for the photo? :-)

  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    I believe all 4 door locations are 6½".

  • I recently took my 01 Outback LTD in for a leak repair in the roof. Water has been collecting in the switch/lamp assembly that controls the roof windows. After complaining for some time I took the switch/lamp out and found that the water dripped ran/out only when the car was cornering. The dealer diagnosed it (checked for vent being open) and them decided the only way to repair it was to pull out the headliner. This was done and they say it is now fixed (of course it has not rained since and I am not sure the repair was successful). They also said there was/is a bulletin on this problem. Anyone have an idea what is up? They said the water is collected in channels around the rear roof opening and was directed towards the front when the car is turning. Does anyone know whether this is really the situation? I do not have a "picture" of the arrangement and have difficulty understanding.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    It only took me about an hour. Guess I did get a little more thirsty than usual. Shoulda put beers in there, though. ;-)

    Yes, I have spare black trim for anyone that hates the plood. It'll fit 2002-2003 models, or 2000-2001 if you're willing to give up the cup holder.

  • schizaschiza Posts: 31
    I have the same problem on our LL Bean. My car shuts off every 2 - 3 weeks when stopped. The only difference is that my car's power shuts off as well the engine. It starts up no problem and runs smooth. I've brought it to the dealer 2 times already. I have under 2000 miles on it. They've replaced the ignition and some relay switch. It happened again 2 weeks ago. I'm bringing it in Tomorrow to see if they can fix it. They're going to keep it for a while to see if they can duplicate the problem. We did install an auto starter by the dealer. They seem to think it's not the auto starter. Suburu is also looking into this, the dealership has told us that they're bringing one of their own tech's to look at. The car otherwise has been very good. This problem however needs to be fixed and I will not live with this problem. The fact that I've had this car for 3 months and it's been in the shop for 2+ weeks doesn't sit with me well. I'll post again once I found out more info. I will hire a lawyer if I have to. Hopefully it doesn't come to that
  • tkevinblanctkevinblanc Posts: 356
    Those sound like two pretty different problems.

    Both problems are, of course, completely unacceptable.
  • rumc3rumc3 Posts: 31
    I have a '97 Legacy GT Wagon w/auto. One thing I don't like is the high revving at highway speeds...3,000 RPM's at 70 is a tad high and probably is why my overall gas mileage is only about 22mpg. Otherwise, car has been great..just turned 70,000.
    Do newer Legacy's still rev high like this? FYI, I got the GT Wagon in black..very sharp. I didn't go with the Outback because I don't like the two-tone, the white letter tires (today's version of whitewalls?) and what's with the gold wheel crap? What is up with Subaru? Do they think this looks good? They should take a good look at the Audi Avant wagons, and design the Suburu accordingly.
  • sebberrysebberry Posts: 148
    has their own opinions. I like the gold on the wheels. I like the two tone paint treatment. If you want a car that looks like an Audi, then please buy one of those. Think of how boring the streets would look if all wagons, or cars for that matter took their styling cues from Audi. No, I like the distinguished look of the Outback, and I also like it when people drop their jaws when the SUV-look alike Outback powers into and out of corners, and zips around city streets like a sports car.

    Anyway, enough of my rant and on to my question:

    How does the new Haldex AWD system that is going on cars such as the 4motion and some Audis compare to the Subaru Active all-wheel drive (not the VDC/VTD) featured on the LL Bean? Is it the same system in a different packaging? Not that it really matters now, I have my OB and will for hopefully a quater million kilometers.
  • leo2633leo2633 Posts: 589
    I agree about the gold wheels and the outline white letters on the Outback. I don't care for them either. Here is what I did about it. My wife has a 2003 Outback base model, which doesn't come with the gold trimmed wheels. They come on Limited (and higher) models, which is one reason we opted for the base model. When the car was 3 days old, I took it to a tire shop, and had them dismount the tires, then remount them with the blackwalls facing out. It looks much sharper this way, IMHO. I have a 2001 Forester S, and I had the OWL tires turned on that when new, also. And, yes, I do admit to being OCD!

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I prefer the monotone styling, too, but that's what you get on the GT and on the base Outbacks. Only the high-end Outbacks have the silver/gold wheels. Tires are cheap to replace. Or you could even mount them with the RWL facing in. I wouldn't let that make me sway a $20-25 grand decision.

    Both OB and GT have a 4.11 final drive, but the Outback has bigger diameter tires, 7% bigger to be exact, so it should rev a little lower on the highway.

    So, try a base Outback, see how that "fits". Costco charges just $28 to remount all 4 tires.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Stalling problem. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest an alternator replacement. If that fails then an ECU replacement. I've seen a similar problem on Isuzus I deal with that have had bad alternators.

  • mn_patmn_pat Posts: 67
    My car had an intermittent stalling problem. It turned out to be the Cam Positioning Sensor.

    The problem first presented itself as intermittent stalls and it would always restart immediately. It progressed into stalling and not restarting. The replacement of the sensor was $130.00
  • bkaiser1bkaiser1 Posts: 464
    My 01 OB (H4/5sp) turns 3500 rpms at 70mph and 4000 rpms at 80mph, which looks high, but really isn't too bad. At that speed, the engine is barely audible and still returns decent mpg in the mid-20's.

    I agree that lower cruising rpms would help economy, but I like that I almost never have to downshift to pass or pull mountain passes. A taller 5th gear would lower rpms, but would make downshifting necessary to keep your speed. Ideally, 5th would stay the same and Subaru would add a tall 6th (!) gear...
  • goosegoggoosegog Posts: 206
    I don't have to worry about the hokey raised white letters on mine because they are disintegrating and falling off on their own.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    6 speed, yummy!

    Maybe you can Dremel the RWL off. Don't try this at home kids. ;-)

  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    I don't much care for the gold trim either, nor the RWL. The alloys do look a bit better than the mounted studs I took off today though.

    Ah well, I'm going to try Subearu's chirp killer method again tomorrow. I gave it a brief shot last week but was preoccupied, and it didn't work. I have fob stuff in the manual plus 2 separate security system fob direction sheets, and nothing jumps out at me for de-chirping the '97 OB.

    Steve, Host
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    The fob I have ('00 Outback) has Part #: 88035AC230 on the back. It's a 2 button type, with the LOCK button larger than the UNLOCK button. LOCK is on the left portion of the fob. There is a small red LED above the LOCK button to indicate activity.

    Not sure what system the '97 had. Hopefully the 'press both buttons for ~5 secs' works!

  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    My buttons are the same size and no led (or part # for that matter - just an FCC# of GOH-M24). It's still early here - I'll wait an hour or so before disturbing the neighborhood testing button pushing. Thanks!

    Steve, Host
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    There aren't any dogs nearby in my neighborhood. Pressing both buttons is the panic mode - boy, a 125 decibel alarm is loud :-)

    I found an old Usenet post about moving a dip switch that I may try if no other '97 owners have any suggestions for killing the chirp. Failing that, I'm gonna find the disarm button and just turn it off. My 3 manuals aren't helpful. Hate the chirp!

    Steve, Host
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