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  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,562
    That's what I meant by "at least 2".

    Many (all?) modern engines have the first O2 sensor in the exhaust manifold. That means two sensors for V and boxer engines. Anyone know how many sensors there are in Vokswagen's W-12 engine :-) ?

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I wasn't disagreeing, just being more specific. I'd say I'm thinking of the WRX but I'm not sure.

    W12 is a mess. Way too complex for the given output.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    My '96 L w/o the cat and the O2 sensors in place doesn't even throw a CEL! I have to throw the OBDII scanner on it one of these days and see what it says.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That might just be OBD Level I, not II. I could be wrong.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Oh, I thought it was '97, guess not.

  • I'm sure this must have been discussed before but I haven't been able to find it. Assuming you have chains that will fit an '03 Outback, does it make any differrence which axle you put the chains on? (Or do you need to put them on both axles?)

    Thanks, Jim
  • jfljfl Posts: 1,385
    Which axle to install chains (or new tires) is a discussion item with very strong opinions on both sides.

    Here's MY opinion: if you're only putting them on one axle make it the rear. If the front has more traction than the rear, there's a greater chance of the rear end coming around and spinning the car. Yes, many people argue that it should be on the front because the front controls where you are going...but if the tail swings around, you're not going where you intended anyway.

    I'm sure someone will chime in with a convincing argument for putting them on the front axle.

    If the situation warrants chains, I'd do both axles or postpone the trip. (It reduces the potential need to change underwear! What was Bill Cosby's line?..."First you say it, then you do it.")

  • steverstever Posts: 52,571
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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Get low clearance chains and put them on both axles, I think Z-chains makes a model that fits Subies.

  • kmcleankmclean Posts: 173
    I say park the car, head to Hawai'i, and come back in April.

    Cheers and Happy New Year from the snowy PNW!

    Ken in Seattle
  • Jim, Thanks for the input, if I have to put them on I'let you know what I do and how they work,

    Ken, Love the Hawaii idea but I'm stuck trying to get to our home in southern Oregon in the next few days.

    Thanks, Jim
  • pathtomaxpathtomax Posts: 215

    I have about 40k miles on my original Wilderness tires and will probably look to change them out around March. I generally drive about 25k miles/ yr. The choice for me is probably the Michelin MXV4's as I have had them on front-drive cars and had amazing results in snow...can't wait to have them on my Outback!

    Any comments about plus sizing them? I live on the seacoast of NH so I have to deal with snow, sleet, freezing rain etc for about 5 months of the year.
  • emtemt Posts: 39
    Looking to buy a used 2002-03 Legacy sedan. I heard somewhere that there were problems with the exhaust manifolds on the 02's. Can anyone give me any insight? Also, do the rear seats fold in these cars? I have a 93 Legacy that has treated me well, that is why I am looking to buy another.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Exhaust manifolds? Maybe they meant head gaskets, even then few 2002s have that issue.

    2000 was the first model year for that body style, by 2002 they had ironed out most issues. We have a 2002 Legacy L that has been reliable.

  • fibber2fibber2 Mid Hudson Valley, NYPosts: 3,775

    Assuming they would fit (and I don't believe anything bigger than 235mm would), it is the wrong way to go for bite in snow.

  • jfljfl Posts: 1,385
    To my knowledge, the rear seats do not fold in 2000-2003 Legacys. It does have a small pass thru for skis & stuff.

    2000 Legacy sedan
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Something we will check on the US-spec 2005s at Detroit!

  • jfljfl Posts: 1,385
    Yeah, I sure hope Subaru starts to include them. I'm sure there are people who remove Subie sedans from consideration because of it.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    according to the subaru owners manual, i believe that they are supposed to go on the fronts. Why? Cause when you are turning the rear wheels gripping, aren't gonna help you turn, yes they'll help you GO, but not turn however.

    I'd put em on both, but if I had to choose 1, I'd do front.

  • scarwafscarwaf Posts: 33
    I needed to replace tires on my 01 VDC Outback. I was going to purchase Michelin's at Costco at $149.00 a pop but before I did I went into the Tirerack site and did some research on Kumho's. I found that the Kumho's were an excellent tire. I had Michelin's before and they never really gave me great wear and ride.
    The Kumho's were $70.00 a pop installed and balanced at my local tire store. I've had them for 6 months and have driven in all kinds of weather and they're proving to be excellent.
    In 10 days I'll be driving up the California coast to Oregon. I'll cut across the Siskiyou Mts. picking up I-5 and heading south to Medford and Ashland, then continuing to Sacramento. I'll cut across the Sierras to Lake Tahoe and then picking up 395 (eastern Sierras) I'll head home to So. CA.
    This should be a good test for my tires.
    Tomorrow I head for the LA Auto Show.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I'm not a big fan of them as street tires. They get very plasticy after about 10K miles and about 6 months.

  • hi guys - so i am *loving* my new outback ltd except for one thing. the element antenna gets terrible reception! its fine if i am in town, on top of a hill, but for the majority of my commute i am on country rds, in and out of the little valleys in the blue ridge mtn foothills. my old power antenna certainly did way better in this country. is there any way to optimize the painted on one that came with the car or am i stuck (yeah, poor me) listening to cd's? any ideas, subaru crew? mucho gracias - b
  • nygregnygreg Posts: 1,936
    I have them installed on my OB (ECSTA H4) on reviews from Tirerack and a knowledgeable collegue. I am approaching the 10K / 6 months as mentioned by Mike. So far, so good. No pulling, very smooth. Wear is still a question. Not as responsive as the Sport A2s I had on prior, but, the Sports wore poorly. My plan is to ride them out this winter and hopefully buy snow tires for next year. BTW, need to rotate them this week.

  • sheroshero Posts: 2
    A reporter from the NY Times would like to speak with Legacy and Outback owners. If you are interested, please contact him directly at before 12pm ET, Thursday, January 8th.

    Thank you,
  • otis123otis123 Posts: 438
    My Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires on my LLBean now have 13K miles. Seem to be wearing very well. Finally got to test them in snow and they were fine - same as original Wilderness tires.

    When new I could go through 2" of standing water at 70mph w/out hydroplaning - like riding on rails. They seem to be losing a little of their cutting edge now, starting to slightly hydroplane in the same situation. BUT, any other tire would hydroplane way earlier....

    Dry performance is the same as when new - outstanding. Noise is the same, too (average). If they go to 30K miles I will buy them again - even though they were $158. a pop.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    We were doing 80-100mph in standing water on the NE Extension of the PA Turnpike during the 48hrs. My 245-45-16 SP5000s on the SVX handled it well with 30K miles on them.

  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    Was trailing the SVX at those speed range with the WRX wagon wearing 205/55-16 SP5000s [NEW] and they held well.


    p/s my max speed on that trip was 106 mph until my speed limiter started nagging ;-)
  • bat1161bat1161 Posts: 1,784
    And I was trailing along at the end with my year old Dunlop Sport A2's on my 00 OBW at the same speeds with no problem.

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