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Lincoln Town Car



  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I like the wide mouth Bass front end currently offered, in fact, the current exterior of the Town Car is attractive to me, it's the interior that has totally been cheapened to me. The seats are taxi - grade, the dash is limo efficient, but that's all, plenty of room for the cb radio to be installed underneath, which is why I think it's designed that way. The rear window is small for privacy, exactly for the limo conversions. I think the car handles great, for the size of it, but it could use more power. Either Lincoln needs to build a Town Car for Retail and spiff it up, or we need to understand that the Town Car is built for Livery sales now, and it is what it is - if you want a real Luxury Sedan now, you gotta get a Jag or something..... Which is probably what I'm gonna do here pretty soon, after 15 years of driving Lincolns. There just isn't a Big Lincoln Sedan for me anymore.
  • w0bymagnusw0bymagnus Posts: 19
    Lincoln needs to make the Town Car stand out...really stand out...most people think Town Cars look like police cars...which is gross to even think about. The new Ford 500 has a prettier interior than the Town Car and has more options...they need to make the Town Car stand out if they want to be able to really compete with Cadillac like they're trying to do...(I really do like Lincoln much more still). I just wish Lincoln would bring back the Town Car as a true luxury-class vehicle instead of just a limousine. Even the value of the car has gone down, you can buy a 1 year old Town Car for half the cost of a new one. The NBA won't even use Lincoln Town Cars anymore because they say they're "too cheap".
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Lincoln actually isn't trying to compete with Cadillac at this point - they aren't following Cadillac upmarket. What the heck they're doing is tough to tell at the moment - but there is a new Town Car on the drawing board I hear, and a few other LIncolns coming out. This old Town Car however, will only get a refresh before it finally dies - not a rehab. So don't expect too much.
  • hemidawghemidawg Posts: 6
    I am new to the luxury car market, 47 yrs old, traded in my owned 2005 300C (an awesome car and lost only 63 cents/mile depreciation) for a 2005 caddy BUT I REALLY WANTED THE TOWN CAR.

    The 2005 Lincoln Town Car is the most beautiful vehicle I have ever seen with the best ride I have ever experienced.

    I came very close to leasing the Signature L but had to go with the caddy because of the lower lease price. Either the caddy holds its value much better than a Lincoln or else caddy is inflating the residuals. When you look at the purchase price, Lincoln looked a little better with $9500 in incentives vrs $8k for the caddy.

    But, on a 2 yr lease, caddy beat Lincoln by $6600! Now that includes $2k more for the 300c trade-in, but I consider that part of the deal.

    I tried REAL HARD to justify $6,600 more the Lincoln, but I just couldn't. It has so many fewer luxury features than the caddy. And the caddy dealer was great and easy to work with.

    I think the Lincoln makes sense if you are going to buy it and drive it $100K+ miles and are willing to add aftermarket must-haves like mp3 and bluetooth and whatever else comes along in the next 7 yrs!

    You guys are correct that she is really a limo vehicle--which is one of the things I like about it--reliable, elegant, easy to service....But they gotta give SOMETHING to the luxury buyer who wants a lease. Throw me a bone here Lincoln. I plan to lease one in two years if they don't destroy her good looks and ride.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,425
    Agree with your having the Caddie as the Linc is NOT worth $6600 more. It is now a warmed over '98 model and needs to lose it's pregnant look while adopting the appearance of an empowered mature lady. Empowered with at least 300 Horses. The Park Avenue's style is admired, but NO to the FWD & V6.

    I'm waiting to see the 06 to find out if I buy my 4th new Town Car while keeping an eye on low mileage preowned XJ8's. Portland dealer still has a new 04 for $15000 off MSRP, but not for me.

    Meanwhile our 94 Signature keeps rolling along at 26.4 mpg with 117,000 plus.
  • hemidawghemidawg Posts: 6
    word on the street is, 06 towncar is a minor refresh--are you expecting more?
    dealer claimed some new color combos and that's it. of course, he is probably not above lying to keep me from waiting for 06.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Why did you dump the 05 300C, hemi? I have rented them, and think they're OK, in a Crown Vic sort of way, but not a luxury car.
  • beernutbeernut Posts: 329
    Why did he dump the 300C? Have you ever seen one?
  • hemidawghemidawg Posts: 6
    Drove the 300C for 10 months--long enough to get through my mid-life crises. had my fun wit her, a great car, but not my style for the long run, wanted more a more luxurious, understated, larger traditional American car with more leg room in back and not so powerful that i would always be getting challenged to race. More class / less sass.
  • beernutbeernut Posts: 329
    Not to mention that the C looks like badly neglected toe fungus.

    OK, OK! So that's over the edge! It just sounded so funny when it came out that I had to share it with you guys. Nothing personal, dawg.

    As you can tell, I don't like the C, but I know many people who love it. I haven't found anybody in the middle. For looks and lux, the TC and DV clearly win, but I don't think that's what the German owners of the Big American Car Company had in mind anyway. Their target is a different bunch of folks than those you find on the TC board.

    BTW, I think the Magnum is really cool.
  • hemidawghemidawg Posts: 6
    magnum looks like hearse, which you can consider to be either cool or not cool. I personally woudn't drive it. Its also downgraded from the C a bit in lux (being a Dodge)
  • beernutbeernut Posts: 329
    Funny you should make the hearse connection. I had one for a daily driver in the late 70's. Never had toe fungus, though.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,425
    "word on the street is, 06 towncar is a minor refresh--are you expecting more?"

    Eight years running the original '98 means it's time for a major change.

    '06 Zephyr styling offers hope of a change in the Town Car also in '06.

    Mustang GT contains a 300 HP engine and that could be in the '06 TC.

    I'm a conservative optimist ready to pounce on a low mileage '04 XJ8 if disappointed.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,703
    "Did you also know that there are hundreds of other cars to choose from and hundreds of other message boards that embrace those other choices?"

    Beernut, I want to express my gratitude to you for making me aware that there are other cars out there...all this time I actually thought there were only two models out there, a Town Car and a Model T... :) :) :)

    Apparenly you guys want "limo" features, while I want a practical luxury car that can perform...if Caddy can make a DTS and an STS, Lincoln can improve its lumbering carcass to be more than a soft sweet potato on wheels...
  • beernutbeernut Posts: 329
    Well, you see, marsha 7, there you go again... I like your sense of humor, but you've opened yourself up for a knob-scobbing by suggesting that the TC is not "practical".

    I challenge you to put the TC and STS next to on another. Look at them, touch them, feel them, drive them, ride in them - front seat and back.... and then judge them by 1) Luxury. OK, now that the TC has won that, judge them for 2)Practicality. Now that the TC has won that, I yield to the Caddy having a stronger engine, more plastic chrome, better cornering and more cup holders. If that's what you value in a car - ignoring the time the Caddy will spend in the shop - go get one.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,425
    If my body were a car, this is the time I would be
    thinking about trading it in for a newer model.

    My fenders are too wide to be considered stylish.
    They were once as sleek as a little MG; now they
    look more like my mother's old Buick!

    My seat cushions have split open at the seams.
    My seats are sagging.

    Seat belts?.. I gave up all belts when Ben and
    Jerry's opened!

    I've got bumps and dents and scratches in my
    finish, and my paint job is gettin' a little dull...
    and that's not the worst of it!

    Air bags? Forget It! The only bags are under my eyes!
    Not counting the "saddlebags", of course!

    I have sooo many miles on my odometer! Sure,
    I've been many places, and seen a lot of things,
    but when's the last time an appraiser factored
    "life experiences" against depreciation?!

    My headlights are out of focus, and it's especially
    hard to see things up close.

    My traction is definitely not as good as it once was.
    I slip and slide and skid and bump into things, even
    in the best of weather!

    My whitewalls are all stained with varicose veins,
    it takes me hours to reach my maximum speed,
    and I'm burning fuel at an inefficient rate.

    But, here's the worst of it....

    almost every time my engine coughs....
    my radiator leaks!

  • hemidawghemidawg Posts: 6
    well said beernut!
    sweet potato! really! everyone knows the towncar features that famous "mashed potato" ride--a comfort food if ever there was.
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  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,703
    I like leaving myself open for allows the insecure to feel like they have a leg up on me... :) :) :) ...seriously, tho, I have always believed that a luxury car like TC does not have to experience 45 degrees of body roll when turning around a corner...thick sway bars, good shocks and springs, can still ride nice but not be a geezer's car...besides, good handling is a safety factor, allowing one to maintain better control, what is wrong with that???
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Not a thing........
  • hemidawghemidawg Posts: 6
    the L version features a beefier front sway bar, have you driven one?
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Personally, I think the Town Car handles right smartly for her size and girth.....
  • beernutbeernut Posts: 329
    I agree with you completely, nv. But now that you put it in those words, it occurs to me that we, as a group, might have some weird fetish thing going on. Can that be good?
  • muteboymuteboy Posts: 1
    Hi everyone, I am the proud owner of a 1996 TC with 78,000 I love it and have had it for two years now. Does anyone know of a site that is showing pictures of what a redesigned or refreshed Towncar will look like? I know alot of people who were upset with the style when it changed in 1998 however it seems to be growing on most people at this point

    Although I agree that after 7/8 years its time for a major redo, but haven't seen or heard anything on a change or even if the Towncar will continue.
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    The rumor is that Lincoln will have two new sedans using the Ford Five Hundred platform that will replace the LS and Town Car, although the Town Car may continue on its current platform. The LS replacement would arrive for the 2008 model year, and the Town Car replacement would arrive for the 2009 model year. It will probably be 18 to 24 months before we see any pictures.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,425
    imagine it having a strong resemblence to the 2005 Jag XJ8.
  • w0bymagnusw0bymagnus Posts: 19
    I'll be quite pissy if the Lincoln Town Car is not Lincoln luxury anymore. Ford is so weird.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,703
    No, I have not driven an L...
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Ditto. Take the one car that IS selling, and radically change it....
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    Your dealer friend may be selling a lot of Town Cars, but Lincoln only sold 4,314 Town Cars in June, and sales for 2005 are down 5.6 percent from last year.
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