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Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Volkswagen Passat

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  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    I had a passat for 4 years and had very few problems with it. Of course, my commute was 20 min each way for the most part. I think you really need to determine how much more you liked the Passat's drive. Also, I think the Passat's interior is much nicer - would that help you enjoy your ride? If your commute is 100 mi of stop-and-go traffic, that's rough on a car & I'd go with Camry since you won't get to enjoy the Passat's handling anyway. Lastly, here's 1 cool thing and 1 annoying thing (both minor) about the Passat that might sway you if it's a tie:

    1. The Passat (at least the GLX) has rain-sensing wipers that work very well. When it starts raining you just turn them on & forget it. It's great when the rain levels keep changing.
    2. The stearing wheel radio controls don't run through your presets - they act as a "seek up" or "seek down" feature, which is very annoying and almost not worthwhile.

    Lastly, just want to point out that the new Accords got a horsepower increase so I think they're faster than both Camrys & Passats.
  • zitchzitch Posts: 55
    03Accordman: I'd say to consider looking at the Camry SE if you haven't yet. Still not as sporty a ride as the Accord or the Passat (according to the reviews I've read), but does have a much stiffer suspension setup than the standard LE and XLE trims from what I understand.
  • 03accordman03accordman Posts: 671
    MidCow, the Jetta is too small for my needs, I have to have a car seat in the back. I rented a GLS last week, and man, it was tiny in the back, my three year old had her legs hitting the front passenger seat.
  • 03accordman03accordman Posts: 671
    The commute is all 99% highway. I agree the Passat has a nice interior too, but the Accord is pretty close, and I would sure enjoy the drive more with the nice interior. I really do like the ride of the Passat a lot.

    My major concern is that I would be really pissed off if I had minor issues like bulbs fusing all the time, and some or the other light coming on. This is the only thing that is keeping me from going with the Passat. In the end I guess I would have to take a call on that.
  • 03accordman03accordman Posts: 671
    Yeah, the SE is in my mind, I will definitely check it out.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 857
    I need your help. I am considering the Camry XLE I4 Auto vs. the Accord EX I4 Auto. Since you already have the Accord and are considering the Camry I need your advice on the differences that you see between these two. Quality of ride, mpg, equipment, and dependability are all important.
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    You may of already yold us, but...are you considering the '05 or '06 Passat? My experience: I have 10,600 miles on my '04.5 Passat and have had ZERO problems (except 1 rattle that was fixed) with it so far. I know it is still new, but so far so good.
  • Can someone with mechanical knowledge explain to me please the difference between Stability Control and Traction control?

    I'm comparing a V6 Passat to an Accord V6 and here is the extras I like in both:
    - the extra in the Passat is the stability control and Tiptronic transmission.
    The extra in Accord is the 240Hp and the in dash cd changer.

    I wish I can combine both!
  • natalie1natalie1 Posts: 1
    Does anyone have any additional info, looking into either the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord EX or VW Passat does not have to be within the NY area. Trying to locate a great rate and noticed that everyone seems to have helpful info pertaining to websites for great pricing.
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    I think there are specific boards devoted to pricing somewhere in the Edwards forums.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Simple explanation-

    Traction control is when you are accelerating. If one wheel begins to slip or spin the power is transferred to the other wheel. This gives you better acceleration in slippery conditions or if you are accelerating hard. It also hlps reduce torque steering and loss of traction. However, on very loose surfcaes, example gravel, dirt you will still probably spin if you don't take off very easy.

    Stability control usually works in conjunction with your ABS braking system. It provides steering control by braking the wheel that is skidding or beginning to skid. On front wheel drive cars what happens without stability control is you go into a turn too fast and instead of turning the car keeps going straight. with stability control the car brakes the inside front wheel and you turn as intended. This is especaily helful and useful if you are driving normally and you hit water, slush, a patch of ice, a slick spot and temporarily and unexpectedly lose control; stability control will save your bacon in these cases. Bear in mind stability braking can only do so much and it can't oversome the laws of physics . For example if you try to take a 35 mph corner at highway speed, you are still probably going to go straight whether you have stability control or not.

    Rear wheel drive ( not Hondas except S2000) is a little different instead of going straight the rear end swings out in the opposite direction of your intended turn and you either spin-around or end up turning sharper than you intended.

    Now there is another benefit of stability control. Most SUVs have a high center of gravity and are driven at speeds that are unstable for sporty handling. Many SUVs are subject to roll-over, but some more advance stabiltiy systmes such as Volvo actually detect and prevent pending roll-over.

    Again, stability systems will correct situations within certain limits, but cannot ovecoem the laws of physics, specifically Newton's second lwas that mass which is in motion tend to stay in motion in the same direction and same speed.

    Hoep this helps, I kind-of-sort-of rambled through the explanation.

    Cheers,

    MidCow - Mellow and Throaty Borla! Borla! Borla!
  • I own a 2002 Passat, and the "minor" issues are taking up a MAJOR amount of my time. I've had both headlight bulbs replaced, a belt replaced, and I am now being told I need new CV Axles (for a grand total of $1,500+). Of course the CV axles are considered "normal wear and tear" (at 16,500 miles average per year) so they're not covered under the warranty. The bulbs won't be covered under warranty when they need to be replaced two years from now (they would have cost over $150 if not under warranty). I'm trading my Passat in - the ride is nice, the car looks great, but it's just not worth the inconvenience and lack of reliability. I know the Service Manager at my local VW dealership by name, and that's just ridiculous.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi natalie1 - we have the information here that you are looking for. You can use the Browse by Message Board drop down on the left to navigate to the "Prices Paid" message board where you will find applicable discussions on all those vehicles, or you can look up all the discussions on each vehicle with the Browse by Vehicle feature that is also on the left.

    You can also go to the "Go To" boxes at the top of the page to find more info on each of those vehicles.

    Hope this helps!
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    the new jetta's interior space is on par with the current passat. the new jetta is essentially replacing the current passat while the new passat grows larger and goes upstream status wise.

    you may want to wait till this fall when the new passat debuts. also, i have a strong hunch that the 06 accord will be available with stability control.
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    The enthusiasm shown in these forums for VWs, Hondas, Toyotas, etc. is a reflection of an appreciation for automotive manufacturers with an engineering-first philosophy (notice that the senior management from the European, Japanese and Korean manufacturers come from an engineering background) which tends to flow throughout these organizations.

    The same, however, cannot be said of the Big Three manufacturers (whose senior management tend to come from marketing, business or financial backgrounds), with "Badge Engineering" as their engineering philosophy (i.e. taking the same automotive platform and making subtle changes to produce other models - e.g: Chevy, Buick, Pontiac, the late Oldsmobile, etc. Their decision to concentrate on the high-profit SUVs and pickup trucks (especially in the face of ever-escalating oil prices) is coming back to haunt them - BIG TIME -
    as the Japanese, Europeans, and Koreans have basically pulled the rug out from under the Big Three in every other automotive segment - compact cars, fuel-efficient hybrids and diesels, family sedans, sports sedans, and SUVs (and the gap is starting to close in the pickup truck segment as well).

    Adding to the dwindling market share of the Big Three is demographics - the majority of their customer base is now entering old age, and the younger drivers are increasingly visiting the showrooms of Japanese, European and Korean manufacturers (especially the tuner crowd).

    Bottom line - car buyers tend to be increasingly well-informed these days, so all the marketing gimmicks and smoke and mirrors in the world can no longer hide mediocrity. Intense competition in the automotive world nowadays will serve to benefit us as consumers. And that is not a bad thing...
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Interesting comments, but they really don't belong in this discussion where we are specifically comparing the subject vehicles. Why don't you check out the discussions on our News & Views board? I think you'll find an appropriate place to continue this line of conversation. Or if there isn't one, feel free to fire up a new discussion.

    Have fun!
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Stability control on the 2006 Accord ,along with heated mirrors (already available in Canada), memory seats, and Xexon lights will probably not appear on the Accord because it would eat into Acura TL and TSX sales.

    One wonders if the Acura/Honda line will erro get trully automatic headlights ??

    I am curious as to what you attribute your "stron hunch" too on 2006 Accord having stability control.

    Thanks,

    MidCow
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    perhaps from honda PR - safety for everyone campaign. make sense to me that stability control would be made available at the "face lift" stage of the accord's cycle. we'll see....
  • lmacmillmacmil Posts: 1,758
    Best way to decide is drive both back to back and pay close attention to the things that are important to you. You can use Edmunds or other sites to do feature comparison. Each has things the other doesn't.
  • brozhnikbrozhnik Posts: 172
    Didn’t want to not have anyone mention the new study on fatalities per vehicle by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. http://www.iihs.org/srpdfs/sr4003.pdf -
    the car-insurance industry’s safety testing researcher. It looked at 1999-2002 model cars – 199 of them – and measured fatalities per year from 2000-03. The VW Passat was by far the safest sedan (below the luxury class) – 16 fatalities per year per million cars. The Camry and Accord were far behind. The only safer car was luxury class- the Mercedes E, which costs a lot more (it had 10 fatalities per vehicle).

    The average vehicle had 87 fatalities, and the average midsize sedan 76. The worst vehicle of all was the Chevy Blazer 2-wheel drive, with 308. Don’t let your kids in one of those.

    The study did control for gender differences, but has the usual caveats: (1) are people who buy Passats unusually safe drivers? (2) Since 2002, the Accord’s had a major redesign which greatly improved its safety, and the Camry also had a redesign (was it 2002?).

    But I’d say even now that the Passat is a very safe car: excellent handling (keeping you out of trouble) and crashworthiness (if you get into trouble), plus being on the forefront with the important safety features for very little extra cost (notably stability control and head-curtain airbags – both have been found in non-VW research to hugely improve safety. The Camry has these, but not from the base model up, unlike the Passat, and these features cost a lot more on a Camry, but not much more on a Passat. The Accord doesn’t yet have stability control, though I’m sure it will in 06). Anyway, credit where it’s due: as of the ’02 models, the Passat was a standout for safety.
  • While fun to drive, our 2000 Passat, 103,000 miles is a major headache when it comes to repairs. If you plan on keeping this car for a while - be careful. Repairs and normal maintenence are very, very expensive. $700 + for the timing belt I believe is ridiculous. For the 5 years we have had the car it has cost us over $4,000 in repairs plus two recalls. Make sure you get your oil changed regularly - we didn't and it voided the warranty at 60,000 miles with a repair costing over $1,200.
    The dealer gave us absolutely no consideration. Compare this to my Toyota dealership that unable to fix a couple of oil leaks (last year), gave me a new engine when my 1997 Camary had 185,000 miles on it. My next car will be a Camary.
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 848
    buy it.
    Are you sure that dealership gave you a new engine? Maybe it was included in labor ? ;-)
    How much money did you spend for maintenance on your 1997 Camary(sp)?

    Krzys
  • fish8fish8 Posts: 2,282
    What kind of interval did you have between oil changes?
  • ljwalters1ljwalters1 Posts: 294
    my 2001.5 passat ran great, and I changed the oil every 5k mi. Virtually all my miliage is city mi.
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    I'll bet the majority of the labor cost on the Passat involves removing the front bumper (due to the longitudinal mounted engine).
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    a 1975 Chevrolet Monza with the V8. You had to drop the engine to change the plugs :(

    Seriously, I doubt that they take off the front bumper to change the timing belt. Many dealers like to charge an excessive amount of labor on timing belt changes. In addition amny also change the water pump at the same time and include that in the cost.

    YMMV,

    MidCow
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    >a 1975 Chevrolet Monza with the V8. You had to drop the engine to change the plugs :(

    ...or for that matter, the air-cooled Porche 911s...
  • supcrdssupcrds Posts: 11
    >>>>>

    Why do you think there will be a freshening in 06? Honda has made it a habit to freshen in the 3rd year and replace after 4 years, when a model has gone 5 years there have been very few changes in the 5th year (or the 4th year for that matter). The current Accord is in its 3rd year and 06 will be it's final year if Honda follows pattern (they did not follow in the last generation, 98 thru 02) The 05 Accord has gotten it's required tail light redesign and new rims, other than the hybrid what real changes were there for 05?
  • anonymouspostsanonymousposts Posts: 4,202
    Side curtain airbags were made standard in all Accords for 05.

    Following past Accord history there will be more changes in store for 2006.

    1990-1993 Accord: In 92 they changed the rear tail light design, added more power to EX versions, and changed a few things in the interior (armrest, steering wheel changed due to driver front air bag being added).

    1994-1997 Accord: V6 added in 95 requiring a slight redesign of the hood to give more room in the engine compartment. They freshened the exterior in 1996 and offered a 25th anniversary edition (basically a DX with body-colored trim outside. In 1997 they added the SE which was a dressed up LX.

    1998 - 02 Accord: Slight changes throughout such as the addition of folding side mirrors in 99 and a new cloth seat pattern. 00 saw side airbags made standard on EX-L and EX V6 models. There were also a few color changes. In 2001 the front and rear saw freshened design and they added a 6-disc changer and steering wheel audio controls to 4 cylinder EX models.

    Guess my point is that minor changes/updates throughout the model cycle are expected but history does show that there will be a more significant update in the Accord's 4th model year.
  • wupotwupot Posts: 3
    I just bought a 05 EX after having a Passat for 7 years. The passat was fun drive but not fun to own. Too many problems which took too much time and too much money. VW has a lot of quality problems right now.
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