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Honda Accord vs. Toyota Camry vs. Volkswagen Passat

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  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    The Accord will get its significant facelift for MY2006.

    I expect a revised front end...new wheel covers and/or alloy wheels for certain trim levels.

    And we will see additional features added as well, probably.

    The way things are going with my Altima (A girl hit my car last night in the parking lot at school)...looks like I am not having the best of luck with her.

    As soon as I graduate, I am getting something else....I am just tired of the car ;)

    I am getting a Maxima next :)
  • cbell1cbell1 Posts: 5
    "Lead me to the place you refer to on the "net" that say's VWs burn oil."

    How about here: Beetle Reviews

    First, I want to say that my wife wanted a New Beetle and I did some research and we are certainly not getting one now due partly to the reviews at carreview.com. I am aware that people with problems are usually the loudest but when you compare a sample of reviews about the Accord to reviews about the Beetle, there is a stark difference that illustrates the extremely poor quality of at least one of VW's products. By the way, the great majority of positive reviews about the Beetle are from people who have owned the car for less than 3 months. Below are some quotes referring to burning oil.

    "THIS CAR IS FUN TO DRIVE, BUT HAS MANY PROBLEMS. THE WORST PROBLEM IS THAT IT BURNS A LOT OF OIL. ( I NEVER HAD A NEW CAR THAT I HAD TO ADD OIL TO IT).ON A TRIP FROM NEW YORK TO MIAMI THE OIL WELL GOT EMPTY(YES, EMPTY)THAT WAS A SHOCK TO ME."

    "I bought this car and thought it would be a great car that would last. 2 weeks after buying it my oil light came on. I checked the oil to find there was NONE!!! I put 4 qts of oil in it and took it to the dealer. They said nothing was wrong. Its been in the shop 3 times for different things in 3 months. 5 days ago again the oil light came on and once again no oil!! I put oil in it a checked it today.....1 qt left! I called the cooperate office and they said the car is normal and it will go through atleast 1 to 2 qts. of oil per 1000 miles."

    "Oh did I mention an oil burner."

    "Loves its oil." -This was from one of the rare positive reviews

    "Uses more oil than I would have imagined."

    "I usually am down a quart of oil, every 2500-3000 miles."

    "Numerous problems from taillight being out, faulty exhaust, burning oil..."

    "Burns a bit more oil than I'd like."

    "As for any other problems.. other than the common oil issue, the inside door handles chipping, and the console breaking.. I guess it would be a flawless car?"

    "Burns oil."

    "Burns oil...had to add a quart after 2000 miles..."

    "Three weeks after getting the car, my "Check Oil" light started flashing, I didn't know what was wrong until I found the car had NO oil!"

    "the car is a lush...burns too much oil!"

    "Major oil consumption"

    "burned oil like nobody's business beginning day one!"

    "worst car ever. it's like driving a bomb only it new!!! checking and filling oil constantly that just disappears."

    "i stop everyone that has one and 9 out of 10 times i hear the oil story and other horror stories...ask around yourself if you don't believe me!"

    "car has 22,000 miles. Two clutches, engine burns alot of oil"

    "The car burned oil from the day I got it. It would run out of oil before I needed an oil change." "As far as the car burning massive amounts of oil my dealership says that is perfectly normal and that I should be checking and filling my oil w/ every other gas fill up."

    "Also, i have noticed the oil burning problem as well and it is really lucky i just thought to look one day. The thing was not even registering on the dipstick!! So now i check it all the time. Out of all the junky old cars i have had, NOTHING ever used this much oil. A good 1-2 quarts between changes. I can go on but its the same stuff you all experience."

    Alright, I have about 50 more reviews to sift through but I think that's enough quotes to get the point across.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    The Beetle is not part of the topic here.

    If folks want to research posts about oil burning in Passats, all they need to do is use the search features on the left side of the page.
  • cbell1cbell1 Posts: 5
    I was responding to bjbird2's request which was not specific to the passat. You are right about it not being on topic, but if you will check post #1679, it is not specific to the models in this topic either. I found this thread via google and felt I had to chime in.

    BTW, I'm getting a Accord Coupe V6 w/Navi in a couple of weeks to replace my Integra GS-R. Can't wait.
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    But are you waiting for the 06 Accord EXV6 6spd or getting a left over 05???

    06s should be here by the end of August right?
  • bjbird2bjbird2 Posts: 647
    Check Edmunds comparo of the Accord, Camry and Hyundai Sonata. You might change your mind about the Accord, and save yourself a few thousand dollars.

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=106434

    The 2006 Passat is pricing itself out of this category, so probably shouldn't be part of this comparison in the future.
  • cbell1cbell1 Posts: 5
    An '06 would be nice but I am guessing I would not get as good a deal on an '06. I have a quote for $25,220 for an '05 Accord EXV6 AT w/Nav which I figure is a pretty good deal. Does anyone know what interior changes are planned for '06? I spend a lot of time driving on the highway so I am not so concerned with the outside of the car.

    Sorry for the off-topicness of this post.
  • cbell1cbell1 Posts: 5
    Actually, my wife drives a '04 Accord EX and I'm the driver whenever we go somewhere together. She's had it for a year and it's got 30,000 miles on it (we both commute). It still drives like a brand new car. I'm really impressed by this car which is why I'm getting one as well. I'm getting a coupe so it's not quite so obvious we are driving the same car. ;)
  • maxamillion1maxamillion1 Posts: 1,467
    But I am sure Honda will do a few changes to the inside. But the majority of the changes will come to the outside.

    I am sure we'll see LEDs on all the Accords, even the lowly DX. Also look for heated outside mirrors and VSC on V6 models.

    I really wish I knew what changes were being made to the inside. Maybe the radio design will get changed like the 01 Accord got.

    Either way, we'll have to wait and see.

    Also, don't really think you'll have much a problem getting a good deal on the 06 Accord. The way the market is going right now, EVERYBODY is dealing. Especially if you live in a large city (or near one)

    As a matter of fact, when I got my car (05 Altima 2.5S) I paid around invoice for it, had I drove three hours and went to Atlanta, I could have gotten a 3.5SE for the same price.

    I'm sure you'll be able to get a killer deal on the 06, even if its fresh on the lot. But you know what's best for you.

    Good luck with the purchase.
  • After much, much research and burning the midnight oil checking into different cars, I chose the Camry XLE V6. I didn't even try the Accord because I heard from lots of sources that the Accord has a stiffer ride than the Camry and I am a stickler for a smooth, quiet ride. The Passat was out of the question after I found out the horrible reliability of VW. I had test-driven a Passat almost 2 years ago and liked it, but didn't know much about it. Since finding out how expensive they are to maintain, forget it! Even my mechanic warned me away from VWs. He hammered on me to either buy a Honda or a Toyota. Well, the Camry it is, and I love it so far (has about 1300 miles).
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 857
    I assume you did not take a ride in the Honda? Congratulations on the new Camry! You do have a very nice car there. What kind of mpg are you getting? Did you try the 4-cylinder Camry?
  • greg88greg88 Posts: 2
    I owned a Accord EX V6 for 5 years (1996 model) and got rid of it when the alignment got messed up after getting the tires replaced, it would have cost more than I wanted to spend (over 2K)... I got a 2001.5 passat (1.8T) and will get rid of it in a few months...
    Both cars cost about the same (around 24K)
    The accord was a decent car, very comfortable, reliable and cheap to maintain, but not a great acceleration, a did not corner well.

    The passat is very comfortable, great amenities, hug the road nicely. What I hate about the car is the lag of the turbo if I keep it on automatic (I have Tiptronic), the small rear passenger leg room and that piece of plastic protecting the engine under the car. I have had to replace it twice. This car was build for German roads which are a lot better and where a lower clearance is not a problem. But here, with the speed bumps, abrupt inclines, the undercariage gets scratched all the time and this cheap piece of plastic does not hold its own. Any trip to the repair shop will cost you a lot more in a Passat that a Accord.

    Have the Honda's improved their tractions and cornering? What about Camry's?
  • bdoonbdoon Posts: 4
    I owned the 75 Monza with 8 cyl and don't remember that but I only owned it one year...it was too much power for the tiny car...very fast but at high speed the suspension, steering etc could not handle well...ok at straight ahead driving though.

    Do you own Audi A4?
  • 600kgolfgt600kgolfgt Posts: 690
    > Do you own Audi A4?

    Actually, I own a 2003 Jetta Wolfsburg 1.8T...
  • I am also trying to decide between the camry/passat/sonata(hyandai)
    I LOVED test driving the passat and thought I had finally decided until I started reading edmund review/kelly blue book, this one,etc.
    How dejected I felt, when I really really wanted to buy the 2002 passat, but I can't justify the cool, smooth ride with the probable upcoming repair/maintenance costs.
    So,,,,probably going with the Camry LE 2004, pearl white or black. Found one in town for 16,000 with 24,000 miles on the white and 36,000 on the black. LOVE the black, but only when it's clean, and the white looks top notch at all times, so I guess my heart that is with the passat will have to wait a few years, and I will go with the camry, which is still a very very nice ride. Glad your happy with your camry, hoping I will be too!!!!!!! :)
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    I believe this thread is supposed to be comparing Accord/Camry/Passat, so let me give you my honest opinion. You simply get more with the Passat. My wife and I have been driving Hondas (2 Accords and 1 Civic) for thirteen years. We wanted something bigger than the 03 Civic we had and were considering going back to the Accord. But my brother sells VWs in Memphis and he talked us into coming up to see him and checking out the Passat before we traded.

    I went online before going to look at the VW and compared every possible detail between the Accord/Camry/Passat. They have many similarities in options, size, etc. But the real difference came once I got behind the wheel of the Passat. The car is absolutely fun to drive! It's a near perfect melding together of all the things a family sedan should be. And we got a great deal on it too!

    VW has been much maligned because of past reliability issues. The word I got on this is that part of the problem VW has had has been due to problems with the wiring harnesses it was getting from another company. Their contract has expired with this particular company and they have gone back to manufacturing their own parts.

    Some have also berated the VW warranty. Our new car came with a four-year/50,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. True it's still less than half of Hyudai's warranty, but it is twice as much car.

    One other thing about the new Passat that I've noticed is that it does turn heads. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to me the Accord and Camry are both a bit bland when compared with the Passat.

    Before you buy your next car I encourage you to at least give the Passat a look.
  • haefrhaefr Posts: 600
    "Our new car came with a four-year/50,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. True it's still less than half of Hyudai's warranty, but it is twice as much car."

    Minor point of correction: Hyundai's bumper-to-bumper warranty is "only" 5 yrs./60,000 miles. The extended powertrain warranty that covers the engine and transmission to 10 yrs./100,000 miles kicks in after expiration of the bumper-to-bumper warranty. I hope your new Passat rewards your initial enthusiasm with many miles and years of reliable motoring enjoyment. Keep us posted - I'd like nothing better than to add the VW Passat to my short list of cars under consideration in late 2008.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    Well, you learn something new every day. I didn't know that about the Hyundai's warranty. BTW, The Passat's powertrain warranty goes to 5 years/60,000 miles and it has a 12 year unlimited mileage rust warranty, which is particularly important if you live in a coastal area or where roads are regularly salted in the winter.

    What all this means is that the Passat has a better warranty than any of the other cars discussed in this thread.
  • Hold it

    You really can't compare the 06 Passat to the hyundai, you are comparing apples to oranges, there is a reason you need a 10 year warranty with the Hyundai (you need it)

    The Passat is superior in every way, you are comparing German engineering drivers car to Korean ?????????

    If you are thinking about the Hyundai you really don't know or appreciate what the Passat is. Its the safest car out there and its truly a drivers car.

    I also say go drive one and you will feel what a truely German car drive like.

    Otherwise go buy that Korean car :lemon: , consider yourself warned. :)
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Its the safest car out there

    On what basis? Certainly not proven reliability.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    You need to go back to my previous message, #1759, and read it. We just bought an 06 Passat. My comment about the Hyundai was actually quite tonge-in-cheek.
  • Sorry Jefferyg, I answered the wrong post, yes I did go back and read your post.
  • Based on the new Jetta crash tests, which was one of the best, the Passat is built on the same chasis but a longer wheel base and is 57% more rigid due to laser welding.

    Also the amount of airbags, abs, esp, auto hold and all the features you get standard.

    Yes, it did have some issues but like any car out there with a lot of tech, even the Toyota hybrid was recalled for some issues.

    So, yeah go buy that Korean thing, you will be :cry: ing
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    Since when can you prove the reliability of a brand new car? The only thing the 06 Passat has in common with the previous generation is the name. Besides, the comment was regarding safety, and if you interpret that as "occupant safety", which I believe yoda was referrring to, then you're hard pressed to find anything on the market that is safer, especially in the particular market segment.
  • I am afraid the actual crash test data for the 2006 Hyundai Sonata vs. the 2006 Jetta is decidedly in the Hyundai's favor. Compare

    http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/3754.html

    and

    http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/3597.html

    I doubt that I will buy a Hyundai Sonata; I don't like its fuel economy profile vs the competing Honda and VW models, but its NHTSA safety rating is stellar.

    I am considering buying an 06 Passat but I am concerned about VW's mediocre reliability ratings. I don't buy jefferyg's faulty wiring harness explanation. Past VW's have had significant reliability problems in areas unrelated to the wiring harness. Moreover, any Japanese manufacturer would have immediately addressed supplier quality problems instead of waiting until the supply contract expired.
  • quote (( I doubt that I will buy a Hyundai Sonata; I don't like its fuel economy profile vs the competing Honda and VW models, but its NHTSA safety rating is stellar. ))

    I don't understand what you mean, the Sonata is 24/33 MPG rating is better than the Passat 22/31?

    I say go buy the Sonata
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    I doubt that I will buy a Hyundai Sonata; I don't like its fuel economy profile vs the competing Honda and VW models, but its NHTSA safety rating is stellar.
    I personally do not trust NHSTA when it comes to side impact crashes. I trust IIHS more.

    NHTSA counts only forces on the thorax and pelvis toward the ratings, even though head injuries cause the most deaths in real-world side impact crashes. Also, the barrier only stimulates the front end of a car, not a truck or SUV, therefore it is not high enough to strike the dummies head.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    On the one hand you say:
    So, yeah go buy that Korean thing, you will be :cry: ing

    And then you say: I say go buy the Sonata

    I checked your profile and you're from AL which means you can't ride the fence, sooner or later you have to choose either Alabama or Auburn. There can be no mixing of the two. I'm asking the same here. So what is it? Volkswagen or Hyundai?
  • No I am not Jefferyg, I own an 06 Passat, will not even drive the Sonata as a rental, the reason I said the gas mileage of the Sonata is better than the Passat and he should go buy one, is that he gave the mpg as the only reason he wouldn't buy a Sonata, which I don't buy it, you see they all talk nice about the Sonata but no one is willing to put their money where their mouth is and buy the Sonata

    Again we are comparing apples to oranges, they should compare the Sonata with the Kia maybe
  • oh btw I am not from Alabama, don't know why is that there???? :confuse:
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