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Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis



  • batistabatista Posts: 159
    You guys aren't considering the fact that the CV/GM does 0-60 in about 8 seconds while the Avalon/G35/300C is doing it about 6.0-6.5 sec.
    You might think that the 4.6L V8 is fast by the seat of the pants feel but in reality its average to slow for the model year 2005.
    Cops will have to switch to the Dodge Charger 5.7L since the Camry/Accord/Altima V6's are faster.
    Ford is behind the times with this setup and if they want customers under 50 to be interested they need to do some major changes.
  • basilsbasils Posts: 25
    A police pursuit vehicle's sole criteria isn't just a fast 0-60 time. If it was, cops would be driving something a lot faster than a Toyota Avalon. Rear wheel drive, towing, pushing (yes, pushing), durability, trunk and interior space, exterior size, weight (more is better than to light), low end grunt (the Avalon has none), ease of maintenance, great reliability history, excellent outward visibility, top speed, stability, and a whole bunch of other more detailed and technical criteria. All Ford would need to do, if the police requested, is pump up the horsepower in the current V-8. If that wasn't enough, but it already has proven that it is, Ford could even drop the 5.4 in and pump it up to 400hp. But this is all just posturing anyway because the police have been very satisfied with the whole 250hp p71 package just as it is. Just remember, even a bad guy in a Ferrari or sport bike can't outrun radios, helicopters, and bad traffic. And by the way, I am under 50 and I love the Crown Victoria. It reminds me how solid cars used to be in the good old days. I test drove an Avalon, a Crown Vic, a BMW 3 series, and even a Nissan 350z.....and you know what? Hands down the Crown Vic was a far better car in my opinion. The combined attributes of ride (exceptional), power (better than some, and great torque), smoothness, solid and substantial feel, looks, spaciousness, proven reliability, American style, and safety, make it the best car for me.
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,703
    is midnight grey, and I like it since it really is easier to keep clean as opposed to gloss black...interior is dark charcoal, easy to keep clean...also, my LX Sport has the floor shifter, bucket seats, and rear air suspension...I believe these are part of the Sport package, whereas the handling package is rear sway bar, dual exhaust, which is what they say raises it to 239 I wrong???
  • I have always been a Honda man, but have come to absolutely love my GM....when the transmission does not feel as if it's straining. Two issues:

    1) After the car is COLD, when started it often dies the first time, and then is PERFECT on the second. This was the case for a week, aside from that, car drove perfectly.

    2) NOW, this seems to happen less, however until about 4-5 mins of driving have gone by (I've been having to let the car warm up first), the car bucks as if the timing is off. Bogging down, feels like starting a manual in 2nd gear, but with a consistant pattern, UNTIL reaching a certain RPM and the LUNGING smoothly until the shift. The shift is often painfully hard.

    I should add:
    My car has 142k on it. I recently had the tranny flushed, as well as that ford additive people use to kill that ford "shudder" from the rear axle (shifting from 1st to second gear). It's also maroon, lol. Thanks! Help me out, I was an import man until this car won my love!
  • danielj6danielj6 Posts: 285
    I've been reading Mercury's web site and Edmunds and both claim a $5000 cash rebate for the 2005 Grand Marquis. Although I'm seriously considering buying one, I'm yet to find any favorable reviews and recommendations.

    In 2000 I came close to getting one but I opted for a Sable S.W. Now the bug bit me again. I really like both the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis, but there is a $3000 difference in cash rebate between the two. So I'd opt for the latter.

    Comments are welcome.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Grand Marquis depreciates MUCH they are not generally used for fleets, taxi cabs or cop cars. They usually cost a wee bit more than the CV, similarly equipped. If money is a factor, these large cars depreciate rapidly. A nice, year or two year old car can be had for much less than you might expect...hard to find the handling package or sport package used though....

    You might also want to look at the Five Hundred/Montego, but you won't find body on frame, V8 or the ride/comfort of the Panther series. You will find AWD and Volvo levels of safety, though.
  • basilsbasils Posts: 25
    I've heard, but not gonna call it fact, that the Grand Marquis doesn't ride as well as the Crown Vic, and that it has slightly more road noise. Now, don't just believe this from what I've heard. They both share the same platform and how could it be true? Personally I like the look of the Crown Vic a bit more that the Grand Marquis. The front grill especially. As far as depreciation between the two, I really have no idea. But what johnclineii said about great deals on used, he couldn't be more right. Even where I live you can go to a used dealer and pick up a Crown Vic or GM that's three years old, with say 25k to 35k miles on it, in great shape, for around 15 grand. That's about a fifty percent savings if you don't mind used.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    For 15 grand here, you can buy a one year old CV or GM with 15-20k on the clock.

    The Mercury has more insulation than the CV, not less. The ride is, if anything, a bit smoother, unless you get the handling package....

    Mercuries are Mercuries due to more quietness, a slightly higher level of perceived luxury, and slightly higher pricing...
  • turbo301turbo301 Posts: 73
    Indeed, there are some insulation differences and such, but it is hard to justify forking out the extra money just to get the Mercury name; nowadays, "Mercury" doesn't mean much. As an example, when i was shopping for my car, a dealer had a 2004 GM LS for $27.7k, all taxes in and everything (these are Canadian dollars, don't forget). I ended up getting my CV, with more options, for $24.1k, all in. Who would pay $3.6k for the sake of the Mercury badge, and give up the steering wheel mounted controls, 6-pack CD changer, etc.? It's not like the CV has a bucking-bronco ride or anything!

    As far as new goes, a local dealer actually has a new 2005 CV (odd, since they're not sold in Canada anymore!) for $32k + taxes. So, as someone pointed out, there is much money to be saved by going used, and with CVs being used in so many rental car fleets, there is a huge supply in all manner of colours. True enough, the handling package is never specified, but it seems like all of them get the Premier group, which is very nice (it strikes me as overly expensive to buy new).

    I must admit that I like the style of the CV better than the Grand Marquis, especially the back. It never seems like Mercury knows what they want to do with the behind of the GM. The CV has a nice, clean, plump rear (I'm an a$$ man, what can I say? LOL!). As such, getting one for less than a GM is a perfect situation for me.
  • jsylvesterjsylvester Posts: 572
    The main reasons I prefer the GM over the CV is the slightly better interior, better grill and tail lamps, and the features and options are packaged in a way I prefer. More importantly, Mercury dealers usually have a much better selection. Also, the GM has a $5,000 rebate, and the CV only $2,000.

    Now, if I could only find an LSE around, I might take the plunge.
  • jsylvesterjsylvester Posts: 572
    the filters are available on line or at your dealer, but it is just a paper filter. It still requires the removal from the oil pan, as well as the replacement of two o-rings with every change.

    Toyota claims it was done to be "environmentally friendly". I think it was done partially because the average Avalon buyer has no mechanical aptitude, and probably doesn't even know what an oil filter looks like.

    On the weekends, I sell power lawn equipment at the local Home Depot - it is in a very nice area of town. Many of my customers have no mechanical aptitude - I am constantly explaining what a choke is, the concept of stale gas, what is a spark plug, etc. It is interesting to have a customer bring a lawnmower back with no oil, or mixed oil with the gas in a 4 cycle engine, etc.

    Not to stereotype, but most of them drive large Japanese or European SUV's, or European cars. Money they have, but not mechanical ability. You can make a killing buying nonrunning power equipment at garage sales.
  • basilsbasils Posts: 25
    Does the GM truly have more insulation for sound proofing, or is this what you've heard? Not trying to be a stinker, I just honestly want to see a photo or proof. Also, why would it ride any better if all the suspension parts are identical per package? If what you say is fact, I'll be looking at the GM a little closer....especially if the cash back deal gets the final price as low or lower than a comparable CV. I've thought about sound proofing a Crown Vic, to make it even quiter than it already is. The problem is expense. Quality sound proofing material cost serious bucks.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    The high level CV's have the same insulation as the GM does. Finding a high level CV (the LX or LX Sport) is the rub....

    Drive both, then decide. After all, you are the one who will be living with the car!
  • basilsbasils Posts: 25
    I thought this was the case....I just forgot about the base model CV. When I drove an LX Sport last weekend, I was surprised at how quite it was. Several years ago I drove an LX and I recall it being about the same. The base model must be slightly less comfortable and noisey.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
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    You can repost your message without the address and I can delete the one with the address in it, if you'd like. Drop me an email and I'll take care of it. Uh, just see my, um, profile for my address! :-)

    Again, welcome!
  • djr2djr2 Posts: 2
    I also have a 1999 Ford Crown Victoria (mine's a police interceptor model) with 88,000 miles on it. It has the exact same problem. I have not replaced the LCM because the only place I've found one was at the dealer for $350.

    Let me repeat - you have described my problem to the letter. I am in the process of replacing the MFS (multi-function switch) a fancy name for the turn signal switch (cost $55 at AutoZone). I read in another forum that this could also cause the problem. I'll let you know if it works.

    Also can you tell me if you were able to find an LCM from other than a dealer and how much you paid (if you don't mind me asking). Any help would be appreciated.

    David (also from Indiana (Terre Haute))
  • djr2djr2 Posts: 2
    Yes, please do. I have already posted a new message w/o email. Thanks, I'm new to this message board stuff. Any other hints or suggestions?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Message deleted. Email me if you have further logistical questions - we don't want to derail the discussion. ;)

    Welcome!! It will be interesting to see if replacing your MFS takes care of the issue. Let us know.
  • Today June 18 05, I bought a 2001 Grand Marquis LX, leather, pass power seats incl lumbar, power pedals, traction, abs, outstanding cond, dark green, but no cd or air suspension, with 43550 miles in Whittier CA 90601 ....for $8900
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,425
    Ford has agreed to settle lawsuits filed agaist it due to cracking intake manifolds on certain 1996-2001 4.6L engines. The engines are found in: Crown Victoria, Grand Marquis, Lincoln Town Car, Mustang, Cougar and Thunderbird models. The settlement could impact over 2 million vehicles and cost Ford up to $375 million USD.

    The plastic intake manifolds Ford used were plastic and were nortorious for cracking, thus causing coolant leaks.

    The terms of the settle include:

    • Ford will reimburse customers with receipts for the intake repair.
    • Ford will pay $735.00 to those without receipts, provided that they can verify with a dealership that a repair was made.
    • Ford will extend the warranty coverage for customers whose intakes have not failed.

    Ford lost an appeal earlier in the year to have the case dismissed.
  • ksjo30ksjo30 Posts: 2
    My 02 GM with 53K just activated the CE light tonight. Is there anyway to determine what went haywire without making an appointment at a repair facility and spending 80.00 for the diagnosis?

    Should I be concerned, or can I let this go an few days?

    I read somewhere that some parts stores will do a free/low cost while you wait scan , hoping of course that you'll buy the parts from them.

    Again the car seems to be running fine and this light just poped on and stayed on as we started the car.

    Any help would be appreciated
  • ksjo30ksjo30 Posts: 2
    In regards to the Class Action suit and cracked intake manifolds.

    Can you provide any link for more information and remedys
  • jsylvesterjsylvester Posts: 572
    Autozone will do a free code scan.

    The check engine light covers so many things - it is a noncritical issue, but you shouldn't go for months with it lit. If it was me, I'd check the gas cap, and then make a stop at Autozone to see what codes are thrown.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,425
  • turbo301turbo301 Posts: 73
    I was wondering what drivers of late-model CVs and GMs are finding they get in terms of gas mileage. I have been steadily improving mine; even with the A/C going virtually all of the time, combined city/highway (although mostly highway) I'm getting about 23.7 mpg; this week I went 596 km without having to fill up, netting me a cool 26 mpg! These numbers impressed me quite a bit. Although not Toyota Echo territory, I couldn't ask for more from a 4000 lb, V8 sedan that does not feature any sort of cylinder deactivation (thank God :lemon: ).
  • marsha7marsha7 Posts: 3,703
    I purchased my 2004 CV (LX Sport, dual exhaust, 239 HP) on August 1, 2004...coming up on 1 year, 20,800 miles, so I think I am broken in...have yet to exceed 22 mpg on highway, tried 87, 89, 93 octane, no difference in performance or mpg...kinda disappointed, really...sticker said 17/25, and I personally know of folks with late model Town cars who obtained 27-28 mpg with all highway running...75% of my driving is interstate...AC on or off, no matter...should I trade for a Honda Civic???...:):):):):)
  • turbo301turbo301 Posts: 73
    Hmmm, it is surprising that you haven't been able to get a bit better mileage than that; that's more on par with my '85 GM. Of course, every car is a bit different. It's interesting to know, though, so thanks for replying.

    Just me personally, but I would never trade a CV for a Civic :). At least up here in Canada, every second car is a Civic!

    BTW do you find that the middle portion of your gas tank - i.e. the range from one quarter to three quarters - is your best mileage zone? In other words, I find that the top quarter of the tank seems to get drained very quickly, while the quarter to three quarter range lasts forever.
  • jsylvesterjsylvester Posts: 572
    I think what is hurting you is the different rear end gearing - 3.27 vs. 2.73 for the LX and Base models. I think that is it, since my 94 has the 3.08 rear end, and it is pulling around 24-25 mpg on the freeway. Also, my understanding is the 03 redesign added weight to the car via a heavier frame.

    If you considered swapping rear end gearings, you also have to consider the computer and speedo issues. It can be done, but not sure how much it would cost you.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    As for that range on the gage being the best mileage zone? Nope, it's just the way the gage is calibrated. Most gages are similar. They are meant to provide feedback to the driver as expected, not actually reflect the exact amount of gas in the tank.

    One big difference, though. When a General Motors gage first says empty, you usually have about 5 gallons left. When a Ford gage first says empty, you had better find a gas station...and quickly.
  • turbo301turbo301 Posts: 73
    I thought of the rear end ratio, but I don't think with an overdrive transmission it makes that big a difference. My '85 with the handling package had a 3.55 originally, but after its rear disintegrated it was replaced with a 3.08. Gas mileage remained the same.
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