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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Sedans Pre-2008



  • atuckeratucker Posts: 7
    I don't mean to sound like a goof <g>, but what is "IIRC"?

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    "If I Recall Correctly" :)
  • atuckeratucker Posts: 7
    Thanks...I've looked behind the glove box, and needless to say, I see lots of wires and boxes, but I don't know what exactly I'm looking for. I even used a mirror in the hard to reach places (aren't they ALL hard to reach?), and can't find a five digit number...

  • atuckeratucker Posts: 7
    I just noticed this morning that one of the rear speakers in my Sable Wagon isn't working. (not that they are great sounding in the first place!) I don't know how long it's been out, because it's not noticable with all the controls in the "middle" positions. Anyway, I think I will try to take the rear hatch panels off, or at least loosen them to check the speaker connection.

    Are the two small bolts on the rear hatch (inside) handle the ones that hold the panels on? I tried to loosen one of the plastic "screws" on the panel around the window, and it just spins...

    Thanks in advance!

  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    I think you'll find that those things that look like plastic screws are really threaded push on connectors. They may have screw heads, but they push in and must be pulled out.
  • mettechmettech Posts: 28
    I have a 03 Sable LE... after 23K miles I can say... nice car, only problem was the door seals... seat could be better... overall, for the money, I would buy it again...

    My biggest problem however, is the resale value for it... Why so low?... It has to be the worst of any car in its class?
  • upsetter1upsetter1 Posts: 205
    On my 2002 Sable I hear a jarring noise coming occasionally from passangers side of dashboard, when I drive on concrete freeway (like I580), but disaapears when I switch to smooth freeway (like I-880). Seems like some resonance. It may dissapear when freeway turns.

    Does anyone on the board know how to fix it ?
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Because there are so many and the Accord and Camry are also plentiful and higher rated. The main reason most would buy a used Taurus over an Accord is to get a bargain. Everyone has to undercut everyone else to get rid of theirs, so resale just gets lower and lower.
  • tkfitztkfitz Posts: 95
    Bought a 1993 taurus in '94 for about 10k. Including 75k extended warranty from ford. 150000 miles and still gets me to work. Have had minor problems in the last ten years but all in all a cost effective commuter. The low initial cost for a used one cannot be beat by the imports especially if you plan on being the last owner.
    My last commuter was a 1982 Olds Omega It finally retired at about 270000 miles. Drove it to the junkyard on its own steam.
    Taurus even gets 30 mpg on the highway.....
    Oh What A Feeling....
    I could be driving a civic or corolla for more money
  • I have a similar problem, and when I took it into the dealership under warranty, they said it was due to ArmorAll getting into the vents when the dashboard is really hot (I live in the South, so by really hot, they mean well over 100 degrees). If you use ArmorAll, this may be the problem you are experiencing. Weird sounding, I know, but once the service technician explained it to me, it sounded plausible. The problem always disappears once the car cools down with the a/c.
  • shank6shank6 Posts: 64
    Hey All :

    Started up my 2000 Sable LS to get the paper this morning and felt a loss of power half way to the store. This was followed by a flashing check engine light. I ended up putting in some fuel injector cleaner and the loss of power problem seems to have gone away ( clogged injector ?)

    Anyhow, with 94,500 miles I'm guessing it's time for a tune up. Anyone have an idea how much my dealer will, charge me for the 100,000
    job and what's involved. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Could be something bouncing around in your glove compartment. Try removing everything from your glove compartment and see if the noise disappears. Sometimes just rearranging stuff in there will make a noise go away.

    My 2000 Taurus is still rattle and squeek free, just past 40K miles a few weeks ago. The only rattles I have had so far are when the front sway bar links went under warranty and the front end clunked occasionally, but only could be heard at low speed over rough bumps.
  • snowmansnowman Posts: 540
    If you tell us what you have done, in terms of maintenance, so far then we can assist you better...
  • Just to change the spark plugs can range from $100-150 on the duratecs from the dealers i called. You can do it your self, it will take about 1 1/2 hours due to the rear 3 and having take off the plenum on the top of the engine. It is not hard. If the engine light stays on and gives a code 401 on ODBII, it is a bad DPFE sensor near the rear spark plugs which is common problem on the 00-01 duratecs. They are about $30-40 at the dealers and are easy to change.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Post 2980 could be right about that DPFE sensor being bad. I got a notice from Ford about a year ago that they were extending the warranty on this part on my 2000 SES Duratec. Not a recall, just extended warranty. Might be worth checking with a dealer whether yours is covered by extended warranty.
  • snowmansnowman Posts: 540
    Shank6 indicated, the CEL was flashing. If the light flashes, this indicates very serious problem and car should not be driven at all.

    Spark Plugs and DPFE sensor are less likely to cause flashing CEL. They bring solid CEL. I replaced my DPFE sensor after P0402 code (excessive EGR) and light was solid in my case.

    However, he should get his computer read by Autozone to determine what is going on.
  • upsetter1upsetter1 Posts: 205
    Thanks chicagosky and bangerfan. Last Sunday I removed glove compartment and looked under the dash. Tapping around I found that sound comes from SRS (it is the passenger air bag). Not from SRS itself but where SRS is attached to the dashboard. May be some junk between SRS box and dashboard bar. So far noice has gone, probably I dislodged the junk. I still had 100 miles of bumper to bumper warranty left, but felt uncomfortable to waste time in dealership because of such a minor issue. Well if jarring noice resumes in the future have to remove SRS to investigate.
  • Well, nomorefords estimate was just about right. Cost for the tune up with Motorcraft platinum plugs was $175.00 at my shop up here in NH called Brake and Go. I trust the mechanic.

    Unfortunately, the cylinder three misfire was the result of a slightly cracked coil on top of the plug according to the diagnostic. Replacement cost including labor $116.00.

    My mechanic said the plugs were toast, but how does that happen to one of the plug coils ?. Bad gas, or maybe should have tuned it up sooner ? Any thoughts from anyone.
  • jebinc1jebinc1 Posts: 198
    I have a 2002 SES with 32k miles. Transmission was flushed at 31K. Recently, I've noticed a mild scraping/grinding sound when the the car is put in park. You can take it out of park and then put it back in park and the sound will go way. You can also recreate the sound it you do not engage the parking brake (letting the car roll forward or backward in Park until the transmission stop. What may be causing this? Does something need adjusting or did something come loose in the transmission? Has anyone else experienced this condition?

  • Your transmission filter could have come loose during the "flush" process. My understanding is that during the "flush" process the transmission pan is not dropped nor is filter replaced. Periodically during the "flush" process, the filter may become dislodged resulting in some of the noise you're hearing. Take it back to whoever did your "flush" and see what they have to say. This happened to me on an Expedition. Since then, I make sure the pan is dropped, new filter installed and fluid replaced. A little more expensive that way, but saves some headaches in the long run.
  • jebinc1jebinc1 Posts: 198
    Thanks, but like you I had the pan dropped and the filter changed as well so I dont think that is the problem. Since the car is still under warranty I plan to have them look at it next week when it is in for an oil change.
  • ohio7ohio7 Posts: 67
    A couple of weeks ago I took my 2000 SEL in to have the coil shields put on. I was told that they were in stock when I called two weeks before. Went to a doctor appointment and came back for my car. They THEN told me that they did NOT have the shields in (not till Dec.) and furthermore that even though we have snow and ice here in Northern Virginia and the state uses salt, I was not qualified for the free shields. Only if they were broken, then they'd replace them. Luckily I don't have to drive much with my car and I use the main road which is always free of snow, but still has salt and sand on it.
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    Did you get the recall advisory in the mail? I did and it clearly said that unless you currently had a problem with a broken coil don't bother to call your dealer. It said you would be notified in December when the parts were in. My impression was that they were doing the recall only in the NE states. I'm in NY and got the letter 4-6 weeks ago.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Not just the Northeast, it applied to all northern states where salt is likely to be used continuously in the winter. I got the notice in Wisconsin and would have been shocked if I did not get the notice, as a huge amount of road salt is used here.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Northern Virginia is not in the recall area, though the extended warranty on spring failure is probably nationwide, just only the northern states are getting the shields. And I can confirm the shields won't be available until the end of the year, when we will get another notice in the mail.
  • ohio7ohio7 Posts: 67
    Yep, got the notice but I was going to be in the area and thought that I'd try to get them. I plan on moving back to snow-laden Ohio (Reason for the "Ohio 7" handle.) in a few years so I will definitely need them more there than here in Northern Virginia. The guy who I talked to must have been high on gas fumes because he not only put me down for an appointment for them but checked to see if they were in and said they were. Needless to say he was wrong. The head manager said if they break I have the extended warranty by receiving the letter. Thanks, Ford!
  • Just so you know....when the coils break you have a good chance that the spring will puncture the front tire. Suddenly and completely. This is why Ford installed shields on my 93 Taurus. I cannot believe they are going through this again. I would have thought that by now Ford would just redesign the springs or install the guards at the factory.
  • masonmimasonmi Posts: 148
    I'm looking at a 2004 Mercury Sable GS and wondered how the reliability is on the Sable's? I liked the way it handled and the quiet smooth ride when I test drove one, are the Sable's basically built the same as a Taurus? Any input would help, thanks.
  • chuck1chuck1 Posts: 1,405
    Picked up my company car. It had 8 miles on the odometer. I have had it two weeks and it's got 1,600 miles on it. I am in sales and do lots of driving. It's the base "Vulcan" motor. First of all, the Taurus has gone through the decontenting process like the Focus. The two things I noticed right away is now it has a "plastic mesh" grill with a smaller Ford logo on it instead of the plastic chrome Ford logo that was much larger. Also, on the trunk it now has a very small Ford logo on a painted surface instead of the chrome plastic strip back there as well. Maybe Ford is "dumbing down" the Taurus to make sure it doesn't compete with the "500". While the Vulcan motor is OK for around town, the acceleration is not that great for merging on the Southern California freeways, nordoes it have any "top end" power for highway passing. The seats are very uncomfortable, not good for long trips at all. This used to be a high point in the previous generation Taurus, I don't know if Ford changed the seats or what. I am getting 20mpg on the highway, not too bad. It has good cornering capabilities (a pleasant surprise!) and the contenental tires become nosiy as they age with miles. Would I buy one? I wouldn't buy one new with one year old ones going in the 11K bracket. But if you picked up a one to two year old Taurus, you could do worse with your money on some of the small Korean offerings at that price!
  • snowmansnowman Posts: 540
    Interesting! I got my 2000 SES for four years, I can tell you it is the most comfortable car I've ever driven even on long trips. But I don't drive more than 8 hours continuously.

    Your mileage is awful, I get 21.4 in 100% city traffic, 27-28 on highway (70 mph average). But I think your car is too new to measure the gas milage yet.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    Sable and Taurus are essentially the same vehicle, just sheet metal and trim differences, and maybe different combinations of options, but otherwise they are equals. You will probably find more choices on the lots with Taurus as there are more Ford dealers and Taurus sales volume is greater.
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