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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005



  • Bought a black GT2 Labor Day weekend, already put 7K miles on it. I wanted everything: good-looking, fun, but practical too for a traveler. $2750 in rebates and $100 over invoice helped. I'm pretty happy so far, but a little disappointed in mpg. I have driven a lotta cars over the years and find I get a little better than the EPA highway number on a pure highway trip, and a little worse than the city number in town. My best was 28 mpg on a trip to Michigan and back, cruise control @74 mph, no a/c. Worst on the highway was 24 mpg for mostly highway, some suburban driving. I got 16 over a couple days of city/suburban/some hwy. Putting my foot into it is tempting in this car but I pay for it at the pump.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    With 7 k, the 3800 should be broken in. 74mph will not yield the best mileage however, try 55-60 next time. If that doesn't work, have your dealer check it out.
  • Your mileage is pretty good considering you are driving a gigantic 6-cylinder engine. A 3.8L engine is almost the biggest available on the market for a V-6.

    I've been averaging 26-27 MPG in mixed driving, which is 2-3 MPG MORE than my 99 Grand Am, which had a smaller 3.4 L engine.

    I believe the 3800 engine is one of the most economical engines ever built.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    We used to always get around 30 highway with our old 3800 GP SE.

    GM will have a 3900 next year in the new Pontiac G6 that will be equipped with DOD and produce around 240hp.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    I wonder how long it will take for DOD to wake up when the car is cruising along and someone wants to challenge it for a quick race.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    According to Toronto Star journalists testing it in Las Vegas (in a GP), the response time is not noticeably different than without DOD.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    new c/d reports a 8.1 0-60 for the GP GT2. All you pushrod lovers no need to fret.

    0-100 of 24.7 rather slow. 5-60 street start lethargic at 8.7. 1/4 miles of 16.2 @ 85mph seconds a bit leisurely as well. Takes 6.5 seconds to get from 85 mph to 100mph? yeah, its running on fumes by then.

    Observed fuel economy of 23mpg.

    "operating with an asthmatic growl that's probably intended to suggest sportiness"

    and other comments kind and not kind but none of them too sharp edged. None of them glowing either.

  • Can't say I've had the need to accelerate from 85 to 100 mph very often. Then again, in NJ, I'm happy to be going 70 mph on the interstate without hitting congestion.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    If you are aren't passing people at 85 and need to accelerate further to do so, you likely can afford lots of tickets and hence a faster car.
  • evandroevandro Posts: 1,108
    Thanks, but no thanks.

    Ever considered moving to Australia? ;-)
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    just read MT's and C/D's GTO review. MT in general was gushing about the interior.

    Its nice to see the Aussies show NA GM how to build a decent interior. Too bad the GP wasn't as nice.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    And how much does the GTO cost again?
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    Has a nicer interior than the Vette.
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    Have not been around in a while, not much to say except my GT2 is the most trouble free car I have every had (foreign or domestic). Still no issues at all to report.

    The 3.9L engine GM is apparently coming out with sounds really good. 240 hp with improved mileage and regular gas would be quite a milestone. Who says push rod motors are dead!

    I read today in the paper that GM will have a hybrid Silverado out in the spring and it will add $3000 U.S. to the price tag for a 10-15% gain. I think GM is putting these out because it feels it has to (ie Honda/Toyota are doing it) , not because it's a really good idea. Seems to me DOD is a much better and cheaper way to push mileage numbers up.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    you beat me to the punch on that one!
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    hybid mileage goes up a lot more than 10-15%. In the case of the prius its like 50% or more.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Not on a truck it doesn't, 15% is about right. Mileage increase on cars in the real world has been closer to 30% from what I read. Takes a lot miles to make up $3000-7000 price difference.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    oh, and what trucks out there do you have to use as a reference for your 15% claim. Didn't think so.

    The most generous claim from worthy sources (that is not GM trumpeteers) is a real world 8% increase from DoD.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    Don't seem to be economically feasible for most. If DOD doesn't cost any extra up front, whats to complain about.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    "Because trucks are heavier and generally have poor aerodynamics, the gain from a hybrid powertrain is less than a similar switch in a car". - _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=04424028
  • ...the GTO is B O R I N G looking?? Sure the interior is nice, but for $33K base I want some pizazz. One article I wrote stated that Pontiac made the exterior bland on purpose, so that they didn't think they were ripping off the original GTO. If you simulated the original GTO, maybe I would actually buy one! Hello Pontiac - did you see what Ford is doing with the new Mustang - they're ripping off the 1960's look. And it will likely sell well you idiots!

    Thanks, but I'll keep my American made 04 Grand Prix GT2 that I paid only about $20K for with all the incentives.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    What's with all the GTO trashing? I think it's a pretty nice looking car and the performance numbers are very good. It's not suppose to be a daily driver sedan, it's a specialty limited edition type car. Just be thankful you get it down there, the car will never make it north of the border.

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I'm not wrong. I'll bet less than 50% of buyers will drive their GTO's on a regular basis as a main car. Even if they do, the car is still not main stream, it's a niche product and it's attraction is likely with a mainly older crowd looking for a blast from the past.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    the GTO is a market stopgap for Pontiac. Be thankful that Lutz in one instance was able to do soemthing to live up to his ridiculous hype. TransAm went byebye and rightfully so. Good riddance to that POS. GP coupe was deemed not feasible numbers wise. Pontiac fans have been screaming for a real decent RWD coupe. No $$$$ to develop one from scratch. Holden Monaro is sitting there. Excellent car. GM fans ought to consider themsleves lucky they have this car available to them. Realize this is a '98 vintage design and get over it. Its a good blank canvas for personalizing with special body kits and stuff to make it look like your own unique car. You want the 350hp and v8 RWD or not? Shut up and deal with it. Its the best GM interior out there. Sunroof a bad omission but likely not offered for some reason having to do with money. American Sunroof Corporation will gladly put one in for you and warrant it. GM had to spend a lot of bucks to re-engineer the location of the gas tank just to bring this car over.

    As for Aussie built cars my two Diamantes have been as reliable as my Toyota Prizm was. I won't claim they are fabulous autos, just merely that its not the flying parts machine someone else suggested (hi harry!). It does a good Camry imitation as far as holding up. All the homers need to accept that other countries can build a solid car.

    GM should bring over the Holden Caprice and sell it here as the Chevy Caprice. Watch the register $$$$$$. That car has a nice interior as well. Or maybe a real upscale Buick......

    low thirties is not an outrageous price for the GTO considering how much the 350z, and g35 are. Whats outrageous is a Bonneville with a sticker approaching 40k, or a GTP thats around 31k. Compared to that, a 33k GTO is a bargain.

    A GP GTP coupe may have been a good price, but it doesn't have the more complete package of the nicer RWD GTO.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    will be a much more livable car for day to day commuting than the old F-bodies for sure. If I was lucky enough to have one, I'd also have a sub $10K winter beater, like my Intrigue.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    My brother in law had a Firebird, didn't drive it in the winter at all and even in the summer he drove his truck quite a bit. GTO will indeed be better, but I still wouldn't drive it in the snow much. Keep in mind, there are no icy roads in the land down under.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    in the snow belt RWD cars DO NOT SELL. trust me, i got a super deal on my tbird back in 95 and couldn't figure why. Then the snow hit. Then I watched the resale values of RWD cars here. (MN) Nada.

    Fortunately blizzaks made me able to still USE the car.

    traction control and abs don't help much. weight dist. and snow tires are the key.

    In the snow states people AVOID RWD if possible. That's partly why the GP was so successful. A sporty car that can go through snow. Its also why cars like the Maxima, 9-3 and TSX/TL will have a solid fan base.

    Harry why did you find my factual post ridiculous. BTW, if you see Lutz, tell him hi and let him know I'd gladly have lunch with him and ask him why the new Malibu doesn't dethrone the Camry and Accord. Tell him thanks for the GTO, though and tell him to bring the Caprice over. The cops would love it too. Tell him I've really enjoyed my last 3 Fords because they have had excellent OHC powertrains in them. Tell him yeah the GTP was great but they shoulda had a supercharged Shortstar in there. Tell him the pushrod G6 is a huge mistake. Ask him why the SSR is such a bloated pig. Ask why the COlorado has no 6 cylinder. Ask him why the Ion turned out like it did. Tell him its great the Bonneville has been partially fixed with the new 8 cylinder, Aurora seats and cleaned up look, but the interior needs an overhaul pronto. Oh, and the pricetag is way too high. I'd be happy to have a drink with him and ask him why GM North America can't seem to put decent looking plastic in its cars. Maybe he can convince me some reasons to get excited about the GP. Thank him for the 9-3 and et him know the 9-7 isn't gonna work out. Saabists won't think it pure.

    No one who can own a cool car like GTO is gonna expose it to a lot of road salt or risk accident in icy conditions. Harry how much ICE and SNOW or blinding blizzards have you driven in? Just curious.....only takes one bad snow day to sell you FWD.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    I think I am going to go take a powder and go back to bed. Regfootball is making eminent sense.

    User does best not to faint!
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Given the small numbers of GTOs, even if it doesn't sell well it's more likely to become a collector car than anything if it's off the market in a few years. I suspect it will sell ok, after all it's a niche car. GM has invested virtually nothing in building it, it really a no loose situation for them.

    I see in the paper today they are now advertising GT1s with ABS and alloys for a little over C$24K cash (U$17K). Not a bad deal at all.
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