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Audi A6



  • kgarykgary Posts: 180
    Mark's discussion about a stick in an A6 was for the pre-2004 car.

    When purchased new the 2005 Audi A6 4.2 cost a few thousand dollars more than the 2005 BMW 530. So it is not surprising that it costs more used. As far as depreciation, Edmunds claims that the Audi will depreciate $18,195 over 5 years, while the BMW will depreciate $16,824 over the same 5 years. On a percentage basis, the depreciation is about the same.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Thanks for clarifying the stick shift issue.

    Conventionnal wisdom would have you believe that a used 5 Series ("The ultimate driving machine") is going to cost more than a Audi A6. Not so, according to Edmunds.
  • kgarykgary Posts: 180
    If you were comparing a 545 to a 4.2 the BMW would cost more. But you are comparing a 530 to the 4.2 so the Audi costs more.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    The last A6 that could be had with a stick, here, was the C5, and not even the 2004 2.7T could be so ordered. As I recall, it was possible, POSSIBLE, to get an allroad 2.7T with the manual shifter then. Of course the allroad was discontinued since the "CUV" had not yet become as popular.

    The allroad is due to come back. Probably won't happen.
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    Right, a 530i is a little more than a 3.2 Audi. The main point still stands: that Audis do hold their value roughly as well as a Bimmer. This is much to my surprise given their ongoing troubles, so-so dealer facilities, lack of being a "hot" brand among the 30 year olds, etc.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    What on-going troubles are you talking about? Last time anyone checked, Audi is on a tear in every global market and its profit is soaring. Audi's quality and reliability ratings are higher than that of the other German premium brands. As for dealers, I give you that some dealers are so and so, but it takes time to eliminate those legacy dealers still not performing. But overall, dealers have invested heavily in new facilities and customer service. As for not being "hot", again I suggesst you check carefully before making that statement. Audi is one of the hottest brands among younger affluent buyers as bore out by various surveys. Let's stay away from unsubtantiated opinions and stick to reality before making those claims.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,055
    Sadly, old perceptions die hard, even in the face of facts.

    Hyundai is another example. They're trying to compete with high-end cars, unsuccessfully so far.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    . . .elsewhere (Europe) does well. Often Audi outsells BMW in the homeland.

    The German cars, depending on who you talk to, all have less than steller reps -- except for their reputations reported "from behind the wheel."

    My wife has a BMW, her second, I have an Audi, "our" 28th, we have also had 2 Passats and a Jetta, too.

    Under a variety of circumstances, I would have no problem owning (or leasing) cars from Audi, BMW and VW -- and probably no issues with Mercedes either.

    On the other hand, I "almost" leased an Infiniti M35x last time, and I do believe I would have also enjoyed that experience.

    Sometimes I think people are trying to find reasons to talk themselves INTO or OUT OF certain decisions.

    I could repeat, #29, as an Audi, next time. I wouldn't hesitate.

    I will not pay more for an A6 Audi (substantially more) than a BMW 535xi or an Infiniti M35x. I would almost certainly be delighted with ANY of them.
  • reality2reality2 Posts: 303
    True, old perceptions die hard, but the facts are somewhat overwhelming on Audi's presence as a high quality and prestige premium brand globally. Hell, they outsell BMW in two of the world's largest markets - Europe and China. You'd have to be in total denial or a BMW executive (who are also in denial considering some of the moronic statements about Audi they have made lately showing absolutely no class), or just plain ignorant. Also, Hyundai cannot be compared to Audi with over 100 years of premium and motor sport heritage. Hyundai is not even in the same league as Audi, yet alone planet. Audi has always been a premium lux brand.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,055
    ". . . . Hyundai cannot be compared to Audi . . . ."

    Well, I certainly agree, in terms of the cars the companies build. My only intent in using the two names anywhere in the same proximity was to try (appparently unsuccessfully) to point out that both suffer from perceptions that have very little to do with fact.

    Audi is every bit as reliable as any other European brand and within spitting distance of any brand, if we are to believe what we read here.

    Hyundai does in fact have some pretty impressive build quality & early-ownership reliability data, with only two brands better in one of those categories (can't remember which).

    Your post certainly illustrates that emotion can run high where cars and brands are involved. Some of that emotion (in others) is why many people wouldn't be caught dead in either an Audi or a Hyundai. To them, Audis will always be unreliable death traps with runaway acceleration & Hyundais will always be rust-ridden trouble-prone cheap crap from Korea.

    For many of the rest of us, not so much.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Hyundai makes remarkable cars. They are, with some qualifications, leapfrogging the Honda and Toyota main line vehicles -- and have already at this early stage of their existence started being able to be legitimately spoken of in the same sentence with Acura and Lexus.

    My Audi dealer, coincidentally, owns an Acura, Hyundai AND Infinti dealer franchise. The Acura and Hyundai actually share the same location -- but not the same buildings.

    When "helping" a friend look at new cars, we did end up testing the new highest zoot AWD Santa Fe and the new RDX.

    The RDX was "the winner." Until you looked at a nearly $10,000 price premium for it. If you dumbed down Acura or looked at the Honda CR-V, the Hyundai certainly seemed to tell a better story.

    The new larger CUV from the company with the "bent H" has tested better than the Lexus at least twice recently.

    Likewise, my 2005 Audi now over 35K miles is tight as new and if they keep screwing them together like this (and you can almost bet they will get better at it), Audi has no worries in the reliability sweepstakes -- especially compared with other Europeans.

    Who knows Infinities or whatever from Japan MAY be better assembled and of higher quality. Heck, even the new CTS may be a paradigm shift -- but right now, Audi makes durable and reliable cars that can and do compete the world over.

    I read somewhere in fact, that the Audi and BMW and BUICK cars in China are all looked upon as, more or less, equals and a notch or three above anything from Japan.

    If you like the "feel behind the wheel" you will not be disappointed by any of the cars from Germany.

    If you are concerned about them leaving you in the lurch -- well, none of these Germans are on top of CR's highest reliability model list (Mercedes was 36 out of 36 recently, in fact.)

    If you buy your cars based on these lists, seems to me you will stay away from European cars, pretty much, altogether.

    Get the car you enjoy driving, like looking at with the features you want -- every mfg produces a klinker from time to time. If in doubt, buy an extended warranty.

    I'm not YET ready to go to Hyundai -- but based on my driving of the Santa Fe, they certainly could be joining the ranks of near premium and perhaps even premium mfgrs.

    I would, btw, argue that you WON'T ever be caught dead in an Audi -- they're that safe.

    I agree, is the point, with cdnpinhead.
  • bluetranebluetrane Posts: 67
    I just passed 2500 in my 07 Avant (almost half of it in a family vacation from Cincinnati to Myrtle Beach). My thoughts at this point:

    1) Love, love, love the car. The ride is smooth and confident - it was such fun driving on those twisty mountain highways in the Appalachians.

    2) Gas mileage is surprisingly good. The computer read slightly over 30 mpg for the vacation trip. I have not yet calculated mileage manually, but even if the computer is off, this is quite impressive for a 4000+ pound car with a new engine loaded with passengers and luggage.

    3) The seats are quite comfortable and held up well for the 11 hour drive.

    4) I was impressed with the navigation system. I had previously owned and MDX and have consistently seen opinions of how inferior Audi's system is to Acura's. I did not find this to be the case. I still find it a bit strange to leave on a trip with no real detailed knowledge of where you are going and have the car guide you in.

    5) On the down side, the voice command system is not as robust as that in the Acura.

    6) The little touches in this car are boundless. The convenience lighting, trip computer, control layout, etc. all give the impression of being well thought out. My only control gripe - I wish there was a dashboard indicator that shows you if your headlights are on. I typically leave the lights on "auto" and I can't tell if they are on or off in mildly dim conditions.

    Overall, I am ecstatic about my new baby. This is the first major purchase I have ever done without a shred of buyer's remorse.
  • habuhabu Posts: 52
    My 2006 Avant just crossed 16,000 miles and I agree with all you wrote. I now average 23.5 to 24 in town driving without being particularly lightfooted. In addition I have had both my 5,000 mi and 15,000 mi svcs done on long trips. I bought the car in Tacoma, WA and had the first svc done in Knoxville, TN. The 15k svc, done at 12,500 miles near LA in Calif. At both dlrships I was treated very well. In CA I was loaned a new A4. I am already putting some money aside each month so I can keep the car when the warranty runs out and not worry about repairs. Sort of my own extended maint plan. Right now I don't see how I could trade up to a better wagon since I do not think one exists.
  • harrylymeharrylyme Posts: 4
    I have a 2003 A6 with about 63,000 miles. Recently the dashboard brake pad warning light came on intermittently. I had to look it up to decipher the picture. I called the dealership and asked about the standard cost of a brake job and I was quoted a general estimate of just under $800 depending upon the amount of rotor work and other damage. When I balked at the cost my service advisor suggested Just Brakes or another brake specialty repair shop and to avoid other repair shops.

    When I took the car to Just Brakes I was told my pads are in good shape and no need for repairs yet.

    Shortly after that time my check engine light came on (I knew it was for the catalytic converter as the light had come on before and the Audi warranty would only cover the repair after a second warning) and the brake pad warning light came on and stayed on. During the repair for the catalytic converter, my service advisor called to recommend a brake job for $787. When I balked at the cost, he recommended just replacing the pads for $386. When I told him about Just Brakes he said my front pads were down to almost 8 mm and that I would start to hear brake noise at 5mm.

    At what thickness should I buy new brake pads?
  • kennyj1kennyj1 Posts: 3
    How many minels can i get on an Audi A6 before it starts to need costly repairs? I put on a lot of miles and hoping to get 200K before it needs repairs. can anyone tell me.
  • kennyj1kennyj1 Posts: 3
    How many miles can i get on an Audi A6 before it starts to need costly repairs? I put on a lot of miles and hoping to get 200K before it needs repairs. can anyone tell me. I'm looking at an Audi A6 quatro
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    You need new brakes.

    No ifs ands or buts.

    I was told that ONE TIME, if you get the pads replaced EARLY enough, you can replace the pads without new rotors.

    I have no idea if you have gone too far.

    My assumption is for $800 there would be rotors, yes?

    If you are keeping the car, I would tell you 63K is pretty good (German cars have great brakes often but shorter life spans in exchange.)

    I would, at the very least go for new pads and were I in your shoes, I would probably let the dealer do it, but that is just me.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    I am tempted to crack wise.

    The real answer is it all depends.

    You need to give a lot more details than you have provided for anyone to give an "informed opinion."

    I see no reason you couldn't use an Audi for 200K miles without a MAJOR repair.

    But you would have to maintain it -- and Audi maintenance (not unlike many other cars) is breathtakingly expensive out of the Audi Advantage period.

    Changing the fluids often, more often than required, is a big step. Keeping everything about the car clean, lubed and filtered and using the top tier gasolines too is a big insurance policy.

    Someone, somewhere did a "diminishing returns" analysis. Hell, for all I know, the magic mileage is 150K or 250K.

    My magic number has been 50K, I am rethinking that to 100K, but haven't had the guts to do it yet.
  • liferulesliferules Posts: 531
    I have to agree with Mark. The Audi is a luxury performance car...very fun to drive, but not known until maybe the latest series for reliabilty. If you want great reliability, then you're better off with Lexus or Honda (not Acura as of lately)... IMO...
  • kennyj1kennyj1 Posts: 3
    LOL the reason i ask is because i'm thinking of purchasing a Audi.I just turned 220,000 on my toyota camry. with little repairs . yes i did breaks and tires , stuff like that but nothing major. and i change the oil only every every 6,000 miles jiffy lube. and have done a few flushes but after that many mile on my toyota im looking for a change. It['s a 2002 so i put on a few mile every tear , i purchesed new. not expecting every car to match this but dont want to get much worst

  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    A person I used to work with did have an apparently uber reliable German car: Mercedes diesel.

    One of the techs at my Audi dealer has an Audi with 175,000 miles on it -- no major issues.

    I have 40K -- the car, a 2005 A6 3.2, feels "as it did the day I got it."

    I am clueless as to what that means in terms of its durability and potential for long life. It "seems" as if it ought to go 100K with minimal problems. I have a lease -- I have 9 more pmts to go. I may or may not keep it a bit longer than the lease.

    I will look at another A6, the new A4, A5 and the upcoming Cadillac CTS, the BMW 3 and maybe 5, the CUV's just out from GM (GMC and Buick, perhaps.)

    The new lifetime powertrain warranty on Chrysler products may get your attention -- the refreshened 300 AWD with a number of option boxes checked is (or ought to be since I have not seen the updated 300 in the flesh, so to speak) a pretty nice car (my in-laws have a 2007 AWD 300 and its German heritage has not been snuffed out.)

    The quality of the Germans has and continues to be a matter of some debate and strong opinion.

    Gulp: my first thought, however, is if I really intended to acquire and use a car for 200K miles, "no Europeans need apply -- unless they be diesels." :surprise:
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Good to see you Mark - you've been sorta scarce in these parts lately. :)
  • kgarykgary Posts: 180
    Always great to have Mark in the house.
  • I bought my A6 about a month ago. My dealer said at the time that Audi will come out with an iPod retrofit into the music system, to be controlled by the MMI. He thought it was planned to come out this summer, for about $300.

    Has anyone else heard anything about it? I would love to use the iPod in my car, and the car I bought did not have the factory interface in it.
  • kgarykgary Posts: 180
    For the last 18 months Audi has been saying it will be introducing an iPod retrofit shortly. I am skeptical at this point.
  • gabby10gabby10 Posts: 32
    kenny i have a6 it been in shop 22 times in 23 months and needs to go back , only has 29180 miles on it , don't buy a audi unless you buy it new or buy extended waranty and do not expect anything from audi usa there only a bank that takes your money there is no service from audi usa :sick:
  • blckislandguyblckislandguy Posts: 1,150
    My wife's '01 Volvo XC70 is getting old and needs replacement. But the new style '08 XC70 is heavier, slower, still is largely front wheel drive, and comes with less luggage capacity. All in all not a great leap forward for Volvo. So, I am looking around for a comparable AWD wagon or sedan. The BMW wagon seems way overpriced and at 62 I think I am still too young for a MB. That leaves Audi.

    I recently sat in an S6 Audi and loved the sport seats. Not too confining (as the Porsche ones are for a guy north of 200 pounds) and very supportive. Seemingly ideal for a long trip home down the interstate late some night with the sterio on and being alone with your thoughts. The Amarreto interior for $1000 extra seems to be a nice option, too, although the sport seats seem a bargain relative to the Ameretto. Has anyone had any experience with these two options? Do you recommend them?

    When I go on the Audi web site and talk with dealers I can't get a clear answer. Can you order the $500 sport seats and amaretto leather on a 3.2 sedan? On the Avant?
  • rjlaerorjlaero Posts: 659
    Sports seats are not an individual option for 2008. The new S line interior package for 2008 gives you the firmer sport seats, suspension, birch wood trim, milano leather, S line interior details with upgraded steering wheel & paddle shifters. It's a $2000 option.

    All 2008 A6's will have the exterior S line grill and body work standard for 2008, though.

    But you can't get Amaretto interior with sport seats. Black milano leather is your only choice if you want sport seats on a 2008 model
  • I have had Audi sport seats in Ecru and Audi premium leather seats in Amaretto.

    I currently have the Amaretto interior in my A6.

    I love the color and the COMFORT seats, although NOT as heavily bolstered are very sporty and comfortable for "non sport seats."

    Having had both in A6's, I will tell you I would want the sport seats if I had a stick shift.

    The regular premium leather bucket seats are fine as wine with an auto transmission.

    The premium leather is worth it, too, if you plan to keep the car for more than 4 years, since the lesser seats have fake leather on the non seating surfaces and it will, eventually crack, the leather is unlikely to do that.
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