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  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,105
    js06gv said:



    berri said:

    Has GM improved on the vibration with its stop start?

    We have '14 & '15 Malibus at work. I mostly drive the '14, but IMO the whole start/stop process and resulting vibrations are awful and far from seamless. The first time my wife was riding with me and the car shut down and then back on again she really thought there was something wrong with it. I also don't have any other cars to compare it to as I've only experienced it in the Chevys, but we'll soon have a '17 Malibu at the office so I'll check that one out to see if it has improved.
    I've briefly driven a Prius (previous gen) and it was pretty seamless on that car.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 56,775
    Well yeah, but doesn't it run on electricity for the first few MPH?

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  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,721
    Yeah, the hybrids I've sampled start/stop better than non hybrids I've been around and they will usually take of under electric power or at min electric assist.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 40,964
    The stop-start on my diesel MB isn't too intrusive, maybe because of the way a (warm) diesel starts - it just turns on, doesn't crank. When I am on foot, I notice it most from 4cyl BMWs.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,105

    Well yeah, but doesn't it run on electricity for the first few MPH?

    I mean the transition from ICE engine off to on, and back again.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 9,598
    ...yet 9000 posts, lol!

    I am a fast typist (thanks to Miss Chestley at school!) and I use a computer keyboard, not a phone (my cell is a flip-up, seriously). So I can type opinions here quickly, LOL!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 9,598
    RE.: Window stickers--matter-of-fact, today it was 35 years ago that I bought my first NEW car, an '81 Monte Carlo

    Sorry, meant 36 years ago, not 35.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,721
    edited January 18
    Hey fin, does the diesel just use compression ignition to restart? If so, that's pretty cool.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 9,598
    edited January 18
    Wife and I saw our first C7's in Black Rose Metallic while buying our Cruze. Have to say, I'm smitten. There's a matching leather interior too. I'd just want the base car, probably only options chrome wheels and glass top though.

    http://www.stingrayforums.com/forum/attachments/stingray-corvette-photos-videos/69442d1472405047-official-black-rose-exterior-thread-image.jpeg

    A female college friend of mine told me recently, "You know what they say about guys who drive Corvettes" (LOL), but I have similar opinions on particular other owners which I'll keep to myself!
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 1,894

    RE.: Window stickers--matter-of-fact, today it was 35 years ago that I bought my first NEW car, an '81 Monte Carlo

    Sorry, meant 36 years ago, not 35.

    In '81 I was a junior in college and driving my '76 Sunbird V6. Seems like yesterday, but lots of water under the bridge..

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 40,964
    In 1981 I was 4 and usually rode around in my mom's gigantic 70s T-Bird B)

    That Black Rose color reminds me of the new Caravan bought by an old neighbor back in the early 90s, it was a "black cherry" like that.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,721
    wow, that brings back memories In 81, was in elementary school being shuttled around in a Caprice Wagon like just about every other kid at that time;)
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 9,598
    edited January 18
    My parents had an '80 Monte Carlo V6 in a deep green that wasn't often seen; gold painted factory pinstripe, Rally Wheels, and belt moldings. I liked the car but didn't like the noises a V6 made in a Monte Carlo. I thought the '81 facelift was an improvement. I was looking for the baby V8, no air, dark jade with Rally Wheels but the closest out there was a two-tone light jade over dark jade, with the full wheelcovers. I bought it and really liked it.
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 1,894
    How did the 267 (4.4l) V8 perform vs the 231 V6 (3.8l)? Looking at specs, they are close in hp and torque. V8, 115hp, 200 ft/lb, V6 110hp, 190 ft/lb. Could you feel a marked difference from your parent's V6? I'm sure the V8 sounded better, V8s always sound good.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 9,598
    edited January 18
    It was slow--only 5 more hp than the Chevy six (229). The V8 was either 115 hp or 120; and the six five less; can't recall for sure now the actual horsepower ratings. But, the V8 idled smoother and sounded smoother, and I liked that. And I want to say the V8 was only a $75 option at that point. I definitely remember the very bottom of the sticker was $8,192.00. It was built in Baltimore. It was stolen in Oct. '82 and I never saw it again. I replaced it with a solid dark jade '82 Monte V6, the dealer owner's demo, which had the Custom interior which became known as the "CL" trim in '83. I just did not like the car as much as the '81.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 9,598
    BTW, I received my WeatherTech floor mats for our new Cruze today and I am absolutely delighted with how they fit.
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 KC MetroPosts: 6,816
    edited January 19
    uplanderguy - whuh, seriously, you're flip-phoning it? Whoa. I'm contemplating buying my first i-phone, the i-phone 5S. Wal*Mart is selling them new (don't recall seeing the "refurbished" word used in their ad) for $149. Since I've always gone with Android, I'm shopping all kinds of Android phones and carriers. 

    For instance, Republic Wireless will sell me a Motorola moto G four for $149. Or, I can consider a Straight Talk Samsung 3 for $99...or was it $129? They're blurring together a bit, but I love my Motorola Android phones, my moto e is working fine, I just need more storage space. The moto e won't take SD cards to expand storage, either. AFAIK Motorola doesn't have any kind of cloud program that I could hitch on to, either. So I'm kinda landlocked with it. But I just found it worth asking you about the flip-phoning thing. Wow, that was about 2006 for me, IIRC!

    I'm way too frugal ta buy an i-phone 6 or a Samsung S7, too. Gotta be a Dave Ramsay bargain or nothing. Reason why buying a new Kia Soul would be really a splurge for me at $16,000. About what that 2016 Scion iA was I wanted round back about May of 2016. I'm thinking something like a new Nissan Versa S sedan with a 5-speed manual transmission for $12,100 plus T&L. As time moves along and I near the big 'R' I find it difficult ta want to part with $20,000 plus on a new automobile.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 40,964
    Monte Carlo CL - an old friend of mine had a 1983 model for his first car (mid 90s), and kept it until just a few years ago. I used to joke that the "CL" stood for "CeLebrity" B) It was actually a well kept car at the time, 305 with the smaller transmission known for failure, and his finally gave up the ghost around the turn of the century - of course he had it replaced. I remember he eventually put wheels from an early 80s Z28 on it. He kept the car and used it daily for several more years, but marriage and work put it on the back burner. He finally sold it, to a guy who made it into a custom/lowrider, so it is still alive out there. He also has a lower mileage 85 Monte SS. He has no GM preference for modern cars now, as his family fleet is an Odyssey and a Mazda 6 - married with kids, mortgage is the main concern now.

    Regarding phones, there are now cheaper models from big names like Samsung that are actually older highline phones still being made - something like a Galaxy J7. These offer better performance than some of the odd brands, at a more reasonable price. There's a lot of phone leasing out there too. I think the only person who has found wealth via Dave Ramsey is Dave Ramsey :)

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 56,775
    I've got a smart phone and a flip phone, so when I'm tired to sticking my nose into phone #1, I can just leave it at home.

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  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 9,598
    edited February 2
    First minor grumble about the '17 Cruze. With sloppy weather, I could see the back-up camera image getting fuzzy. Owner's manual says to clean the sensors, but doesn't say where they are! I thought they were the red-lensed jobs at the lower corners of the rear bumper, but no go. Couldn't find out where they were, online either! I called the dealer's Service Department and was told the sensor is near the license plate. It's small, but there it was. Wiped with a wet cloth and all is good. But geez, the way that owner's manuals are usually written for complete dummies, one would think the location of the sensors would be spelled out.

    That said, 600 miles and we are still very much enjoying the car, particularly at the price. We think it's a great value and it even looks pretty nice with the aluminum wheels IMHO, although no one would call the car beautiful.
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 52,288

    First minor grumble about the '17 Cruze. With sloppy weather, I could see the back-up camera image getting fuzzy. Owner's manual says to clean the sensors, but doesn't say where they are! I thought they were the red-lensed jobs at the lower corners of the rear bumper, but no go. Couldn't find out where they were, online either! I called the dealer's Service Department and was told the sensor is near the license plate. It's small, but there it was. Wiped with a wet cloth and all is good. But geez, the way that owner's manuals are usually written for complete dummies, one would think the location of the sensors would be spelled out.

    That said, 600 miles and we are still very much enjoying the car, particularly at the price. We think it's a great value and it even looks pretty nice with the aluminum wheels IMHO, although no one would call the car beautiful.

    There is only the one camera. Fish eye lens, usually mounted above the rear license plate.

    And yes, they do get clouded up with snow and stuff. I just run mine through the car wash.

    Or, park where I don't have to back up.

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  • fintailfintail Posts: 40,964
    I think that's normal. My camera gets wet and distorted quite often in the frequent rain here. Probably could have been designed a little better. Once after a long rainy drive the car told me to clean the front sensors (car has parking assist and auto-stop etc).
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 1,894
    I put a little wax on the rear camera and lane watch camera. Seems to help a little. If I can't wash the car I will take a soft wet cloth and give it a quick once over.

    2010 Pilot EXL-RES, 2013 Accord EX

  • berriberri Posts: 7,391
    edited February 3
    Is the lens plastic or glass? If the latter, Rain-X might help. Its help on plastic may vary depending on type.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 40,964
    I've thought about Rain-X or wax, maybe I'll try it this weekend.

    The rear of the car tends to get really dirty, something about the flow of air behind the car.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 5,105
    berri said:

    Is the lens plastic or glass? If the latter, Rain-X might help. Its help on plastic may vary depending on type.

    Rain-X is kind of amazing.
    I had never heard of it. One year I was visiting my brother and we were driving in the rain and he didn't bother to turn on his wipers for a bit. And the water was beading up and streaming up the windshield from the airflow! I asked him "Do you have something on your windshield to make it do that?".

    Definitely a product that does what it says.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,721
    I've had same issue with rear camera. And as fin mentioned I get the "clean front sensors" often in the winter. If it's snowing or even a hard rain can cause issues with the front "park assist" sensors in the front on my Ram
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,721
    I have auto on wipers and the manual specifically states not to use rainx. I guess the water beads will confuse the sensors for the wipers.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 40,964
    I apply Rain-X a few times a year. When it wears out, it seems to make things worse, so you have to maintain it. It wears out quickly in the frequent rain here.

    I've recently bought "Klasse" brand paint cleaner and glaze, to try on the fintail. The packaging says it is also for use on glass. I am going to try it and see if it performs like Rain-X.
  • sdasda Indian Land, SCPosts: 1,894
    edited February 4
    I generally wash and dry our vehicles at home and am very picky about cleaning inside the door, trunk, hood and other nooks and crannies. There are times when I can't and I go to a full service soft cloth car wash about 2 miles from our house. They offer different levels of service and a basic $4 drive thru wash. When I do this, I drive home, get out some towels and a squirt bottle of the orange summer blend of Rain-X washer fluid. I spritz this on the car, paint, glass and wipe down. It does a nice job of removing any water spots and seems to enhance the shine. When it rains the whole car beads nicely and it seems to repel dirt. At less than $3 gallon it is inexpensive to use. Yes I am cheap and crazy.


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