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Mazda Millenia



  • erinsquarederinsquared Posts: 178
    O2 & catalyst 'failure' occurred around 65k miles on my 1998 s. More relevant is that the battery was about 4 years old when the failure occurred and then the battery failed soon afterwards. Now, this is the second battery we've replaced and I don't remember this happening before. Perhaps the sensor/catalyst are more susceptible to the 'failure' at higher miles? Let me say also that an o2 sensor failure at 60k is really not that atypical, although a catalytic converter failure is less likely (may have something to do with the fact that the federal govn forces manufacturer's to warranty the convert to 80k miles ;) )
  • rotarykidrotarykid Posts: 191
    I have replaced several cats on millenia S models that had failed (usually around 50-70k miles). Mazda had some o2 issues as well, but not as common as the cats. Low battery voltage can be a factor with codes in the pcm, but usualy their are several codes that come up when it is a battery issue, not just o2 sensor codes.
  • fairwoodfairwood Posts: 91
    Over a week since new posting per my computer. Site down or what? fairwood
  • rotarykidrotarykid Posts: 191
    it's just that millenias run and perform flawlessly........
  • erinsquarederinsquared Posts: 178
    Just replaced brake pads on my Millenia S for the first time after 80k miles. Rotors still in great shape. Dual piston front calipers, ceramic pads from the factory - these are well engineered brakes. I am still surprised about how tight the car feels. Has anyone upgraded their suspension to aftermarket shocks? The existing dampers have always been a little on the soft side and I want to use something slightly more agressive.
  • rotarykidrotarykid Posts: 191
    ......not aware of factory ceramic pads
  • heybradyheybrady Posts: 75
    Holy cow! You got 80k out of your brakes? You havent needed to replace pads or anything until now? I have 65k and am about to replace brakes for the second time soon.

    On an unrelated note, this thought popped into my head today. Everyone on here complains that the MM is not fast enough right? I assume most people use the auto climate control, which has the a/c on all the time. Could the a/c use be causing the dip in power from the engine? I know this happens in four cylinder cars, but with the MM with only 180hp and around 4100lbs, the engine has a hard enough time as it is. Any thoughts on this? I am going to try and keep the a/c off for the next week and see if it makes a difference. Could this also lower gas mileage a bit?
  • erinsquarederinsquared Posts: 178
    Since the Millenia S is the wife's car, I have to credit her driving habits, although she does drive aggressively. As for the brake pad material, Pep boys listed ceramic as OEM. When I priced pads from the dealership ($100+ ouch!), they did not know whether they were ceramic or not. A/C does sap power and mileage if you are running the compressor, so switching it off might give you a slight gain in both. If anyone is concerned about performance, this can easily be addressed by getting the S model. Handling is great, accelleration is awesome except from a dead stop (only 2.3L displacement), and ride on the interstate is smooth. The only driving characteristic that sucks is the turning radius is horrible on this car making parking in tight spots a chore. Has anyone reached 150k miles on their Millenia S - what are the long term maintenance issues?
  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    If you get into NAPA online they also list ceramic brakes as $68. Autozone is listing ceramic brakes as original equipment.

    Curb weight for the vehicle is 3358 lbs. for the P and 3488 lbs. for the S. This is according to the 2002 Mill brochure. I am sure these weights do not include options.

    Fairwood it is good to see that you are back with us. How has your car been since your last problems?
  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    I thought that you were still lurking around in the background, any way it is still nice to see you come back. I understand what you are talking about.
  • freebirdfreebird Posts: 77
    Just a note regarding dealer prices for front pads. This kit will include all shims and clips. I am most certain that the part from Pep Boys will not. I have only had good luck with OEM pads on my Mazda and Toyotas.
  • erinsquarederinsquared Posts: 178
    The kit I purchased had the pads, shims, and caliper pin lubricant. The only pieces missing were the wear indicator clips which I possibly could have reused from the old ones, but I opted not. I'll keep the $30 difference and skip the wear indicator clips. I just have to say I am glad the Mazda is such a reliable car, because the dealers really gouge you for these parts. I spend less money repairing my BMW M3 buying parts at the BMW dealer!
  • We leased a new Millenia in 1999 and loved it. We ran the lease out and didn't buy the car but leased an Accord instead. It was a nice car but certainly a step down. We have been shopping for another car now and want to move up again. We looked at the Lexus ES330, a very nice car but really expensive for what you get, same with the Acura TL. Nissan and Mitsubishi styling leave me cold (my opinion of course). We started looking for used Millenia's and found a 2000 near us that looks EXACTLY like out old one except for the wheels which are not chrome and a stripe which is a different color. It only has about 21,000 miles on it and it checks out clean in Car Fax.. My question is: Is $15,999.00 a decent price for this car? It sure is tempting and the dealer won't move from that price.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    While you are waiting for some input here, you might want to drop by our Real-World Trade-In Values discussion and ask there as well. Those folks are right on top of what used vehicles are going for.
  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    I think that $16,000 is a little high for the car, but that will also depend what else it has on it, such as four seasons package, etc.

    I went to a car show this weekend and was talking to the Mazda person there and he was saying that Mazda has no new cars coming in at least the next couple of years. He said that the Tribute and the MPV will be redesigned over the next year to year and half. He also said that Mazda will be bringing out a new SUV, such as the link that fwatson showed a month or two ago. But as of now there is no replacement for the Mill. He also said that a commercial was being made of someone that did have 300,000 miles on their Mill. When I asked if it was a S or P model he said that he did not know. I do not know if this is going to be a local or regional or national commercial or if it will even come to see the light.
  • cappettacappetta Posts: 7
    Man listen, I just bought a 96 Millenia(L) for 3800. I LOVE IT. It has 107K miles and drive incredibly smooth. There have been numerous owners in the past so I am unable to determine if the "major" maintanence has been done. I will probably do it to make sure it is up-to-date. I have done a couple of upgrades to the car: wires and plugs, shocks and struts, and a performance mod for the intake. The lower suspension dropped my car by about 1.5" and is nice.
    The only problems that I have encountered on this car are:
    1. The guy that had the car before me CUT the springs to lower the car. VERY IMPORTANT---DO NOT CUT THE SPRINGS TO THIS CAR TO LOWER THE HEIGHT. spend the $200 to get the lower springs. I had to replace the springs, struts, and bushings for the middle rod.
    2. I have a very minor oil leak, not sure from where.

    Otherwise everything is perfect (knock on wood).

    I have noticed that there are not many performance parts for the millenia. I was told to get the engine code for the car and that would help me with getting compatible parts. Where can I get the engine code for my car? Is there anywhere to get performace parts?
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    We need to know which engine you have to help with the performance parts.

    The 2.5 is essentially the same that the Ford Probe used, and is discussed on other forums. Unfortunately Edmunds gets perturbed if anyone posts links to other forums, so I can't give you a link. But the name of one is Forum. Try google to get you there. They can probably point you to other help for performance on the KLZE engine. It was also used in the MX6 and 626. You might also try the Probe/MX6/626 Edmunds forums. They might have some performance discussions.

    If it is the S, the oil leak is probably coming from the supercharger. Otherwise most likely a gasket.
  • tomekktomekk Posts: 310
    He stated he had the "96 Millenia(L)" ;-) engine just like yours, Frank ... BTW, supercharger leaks tend to be internal anyway.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Missed the "L". I'm used to it being "M". :<)
  • freebirdfreebird Posts: 77
    Just wait until you have to pay for that 60,000 mile service - $600 or more....

    I'm glad I am rid of mine.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Quote freebird: "Just wait until you have to pay for that 60,000 mile service - $600 or more....

    Quote cappetta: "It has 107K miles and drive incredibly smooth."

    Looks to me like it's a little late to worry about a 60,000 mile service, it already has 107,000 miles on it. Maybe you are thinking about the 600,000 mile service.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    My brother is considering a used '95 or '96 Mazda Millenia for his daughter, and asked me for help on research, since he's not much of a car guy. It seems like a pretty good buy considering how inexpensive they are, and seems to have good crash test scores, and is CR recommended for reliability.

    My question is for Millenia owners, what are things to watch out for?
  • freebirdfreebird Posts: 77
    Dude, you have to perform the 60,000-mile service every 60,000 miles. It is expensive. So the new buyer would probably want to look into whether the timing belt was changed as well as the other items serviced EVERY 60,000 miles.

    Here would be the recommend mileages for the 60,000 service:


    And so on. Just use a calculator and add 60,000 to the previous number.
  • kcm8419kcm8419 Posts: 121
    I think that you are confusing the 2.3L engine with the 2.5L engine. You are correct on your service for the timing belt for the 2.3L but not on the 2.5L. They are talking about the 2.5L engine, the L, M, P or whatever other letter Mazda used for this model. I thought that the 2.5L engine was around the 100,000 mile mark for the timing belt. The cost of this would be no different then any other car that needed this done. Your price of $600 + sounds more like the expense for the 2.3L miller engine.
  • heybradyheybrady Posts: 75
    kcm is correct. On the non-supercharged model, the timing belt is suggested at 105K, but can most likely go longer. Eeven if the belt does break, the engine is a non-interference design, which means no damage will be done to the engine. 60K tune up is no big deal with this model. I just turned 60K a couple of months ago, and all i had done with tranny flush and serpentine belt change. Everything else was fine. Couple hundred bucks, and i was outta there.
  • heybradyheybrady Posts: 75
    If I remember correctly, the 95 Millenia had some reliability issues due to being the first model year. I think CR even says to stay away from it. However, 96-02 gets all Red in CR and a recommended in their used car guide. Just make sure you stay away from the Supercharged engine (2.3L, badged S model). As miles get higher, supercharger can have problems with leaks and such. Since the engine is very unique and rare, any repairs are usually costly. Stick with the 2.5L engine (badged L or P) and you should have no problems. The car should easily last well into the 100K's judging on Mazda's reliability.
  • fwatsonfwatson Posts: 639
    Take out your trusty little calculator and divide $600 by 60000 miles. That comes ot ONE PENNY per mile even if your $600 figure was correct. My recommendation is that if you can't afford a penny a mile for that service on a $20 some thousand automobile, don't buy one. The expenses for my '95 Oldsmobile 88 have far exceeded that $600, by a multiplier of about 5. And it just now turned 85000 miles. High maintenance costs are far from a Mazda exclusive.

    From what I have seen, the big replacement item on '95 and '96 Millenia's was the spark plug wires which run about a hundred dollars plus labor to replace. The reason that knocks down the '95/'96 models in the CU reliability ratings, is because it happened to a lot of them. In other words "high frequency" of repair. Unfortunately CR doesn't take repair cost into enough consideration in their ratings.

    Overall, CR rates the Millenia "Outstanding" in reliability.
  • freebirdfreebird Posts: 77
    For the early models, the timing belt is scheduled at 60,000 miles. I owned a '95 model. This is what it had in the book. In later years, they increased the interval. The original poster bought a '96 L, with the 2.5L.

    $600 for timing belt, water pump and the rest. Call a dealer and ask their price - probably over $800. I only had mine serviced at &#147;Mazda only&#148; shops that used OEM parts. Another joke - $900 for a power steering pump! The list goes on. That was my gripe with my car - the parts were too expensive. A timing belt on my Toyota is $209.
  • freebirdfreebird Posts: 77
    I thought the faulty plug wires replaced under a service bulletin. I didn't pay to have mine replaced, the dealer did it for free.
  • heybradyheybrady Posts: 75
    If the spark plugs were replaced by the dealer for free it was because they did you a favor for all the extra cash you paid them by only doing repairs at their shop. Just my .02 -- Those service bulletins are not required repairs, just a heads-up for dealers or repair shops for frequent problems.
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