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  • jb_shinjb_shin Posts: 357
    Not to mention that it is illegal to drink while driving in Germany, which is exactly why it is an afterthought
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    re: cupholders

    Memo to BMW: Don't forget that North America is now your largest single market in total sales, surpassing even Germany. Given Germany's near decade of economic malaise, with no end in sight, likely USA will be even more important. Nearly all Americans drink in their cars. We are the land of endless Starbucks, McDonalds, and DQ. BMW had better start treating USA like Germany. Don't short change us the best cars. Don't keep us from the customization and special order programs. Bring over diesels. And, for God's sake, give us good cupholders and decent sounding standard in-dash CD players.
  • pen101pen101 Posts: 238
    This past weekend drove from LA to San Diego late at night. Used cruise control the whole way, set at 76 mph (72.4 mph per computer). When we arrived in San Diego 1 hour, 47 minutes later, checked computer. It indicated we averaged 33.1 mpg! This is amazing. I've driven economy cars that did not get this mpg. (E39, 530i, 5-sp, SP, PP).

    re cup holders: I only use the cup holder to hold my cell phone. Last time I used it to hold a cup, it broke. Learned my lesson. The "cup holders" are not meant to hold cups.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I just got back from yet another trip to Long Island last night and even with needing to run the A/C the whole way (hot, humid and several thunder storms), sitting in heavy traffic for over two hours (road construction and the typical NYC area rush hour crush both ways) and then the inevitable hooking up with fast moving traffic (often moving at a touch over the century mark) I got the following results:

    532 miles (one tank of gas)
    9:20 elapse time
    57 mph average speed
    18.189 gallons of gas
    29.25 mpg

    It didn't match Pen101's results but I think it was pretty damn good. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    Reminds me of the 26 mpg I used to regularly achieve driving my E39 540i6 on interstate at 74 mph. Quite impressive for a 4.4L V8 sedan!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Yup, I too think that 26 is pretty good for a V8 sedan. That said, the thought that Suburbans and Excursions and the like that cannot get even 20 mpg going down hill with a tail wind and don't pay a Gas Guzzler tax, when the E39 540i6 had to pay a $3,000 tax while getting 26 mpg really makes me angry, really angry.

    For that reason, and that reason alone, I hope that gas prices keep going up. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • vchengvcheng Posts: 1,284
    But I follow this discussion avidly, and enjoy the cars as well as the posts.

    My LS430UL (4.3 l V-8) does 29.5 mpg at a steady 75 mph (actual miles/gallons consumed, not the trip computer). (Please don't shoot me for saying the L-word in a BMW forum!)

    Point: Almost all the new luxury sedans (such as the 5 series - a close friend just got a new 545i - great car to drive) are highly efficient at highway speeds by virtue of fantastic engineering and aerodynamic designs.

    I think SUVs should be treated to lower limits while more efficient cars should be allowed to go even faster than at present. I think a BMW is in its element at about 110+ mph with an ATTENTIVE driver on a good road, a thing of true beauty!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,624
    Sure... YOU are attentive.. but what about the rest of the drivers on the road? I'd love to drive 110, but I predict carnage if that were the case.


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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I'm not bemoaning SUVs in per se; it's just that I have a real problem with a playing field that is not level. A Suburban getting 18 mpg at 55 mph does not pay a Guzzler Tax and the E39 540i6 paid $3,000 and got 26 mpg at 75. To me at least, something is VERY wrong with that. Either EVERY passenger vehicle pays the tax over a certain mileage threshold or none of them do. That's only fair. Now however, with fuel prices being what they are, the low mileage SUV types (not your LS430UL) are now needing to pony up for a de-facto tax. I really don't have a problem with that. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • vchengvcheng Posts: 1,284
    However, a camel is clearly a race horse designed by a committee, and thus we will always have a mish-mash of compromises and accommodations for special interest groups, rather than rational policy by our erstwhile politicians.

    (Politics is a word that comes from Poly meaning Many, and Ticks, meaning blood sucking creatures.)
  • pen101pen101 Posts: 238
    And then there is the H2 Hummer. Gets 10 mpg city. But due to its weight of over 6000 lbs, gas guzzler tax does not apply. Plus, it is also eligible for certain tax advantages. But to fill its 32 gallon tank at $2.50/gallon (in LA) can cost up to $80.

    To get back on BMW topic, I wonder if the 6-cylinder engine will get more horsepower in 2005 to keep up with the competition.
  • mtv65mtv65 Posts: 45
    All this talk about efficiency is music to my ears =). Looks like we'll be picking up the car (01 530i SP) next weekend. We were hoping sooner but like I mentioned from my prior post, too busy to take the 6hr roundtrip drive.

    One final check:

    - No 3rd party warranties. Put $$$ in seperate acct.
    - Inspection at dealer for $100. Definite must!!
    - Call Insurance company for quote. Married couple no points. What are you guys paying for ur premiums (if that's not personal)??
    - Enjoy drive home in new (to us) Titanium Silver 530i with Sport Premium. Told my wife that we would have to switch cars halfway home. I'll take the windy half please =).

    Thanks all and looking forward to hangin' out with you boys soon.
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  • mtv65mtv65 Posts: 45
    Darn, too late to edit =(. Too excited I guess =). It's all good.

    Any inputs while you're here? Thanks!!
  • calchcalch Posts: 11
    I need some car-buying advise. We are looking for a car that can accomodate three car seats (2 child, one infant). We would like to stay away from SUVs and Minivans and were considering the 5 series wagon after a recent trip to Europe. I looks very nice, but I am not sure whether it will be large enough in the back.
    Since it appears to be very similar to the new 5 series sedan, I was wondering whether anyone has tried to fit multiple car seats in it. The LATCH system seems to be designed for two, but maybe, there is enough room anyway.

    If anyone can suggest any other wagons please do (not including Mercedes, we have a C-class that lives in the repair shop)

    Thanks for the help.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi calch - welcome!

    This 5-Series Sedans discussion isn't really the best place to ask for recommendations for wagons, 5-Series or otherwise. Why don't you check out the discussions on our Station Wagons board?

    There is a "Help me select a Wagon" discussion at the top of the list which can offer you lots of information in the previous posts. It also would be a great place to ask your questions about what might be the best wagon for you.

    There is also a dedicated 5-Series Wagons discussion in the list along with all the other Wagon discussions.

    Meanwhile, we'll wait here to see if anyone has tried to fit three car seats into the back seat of a 5-Series sedan, but you really ought to ask that question in the 5-Series wagon discussion also - that's the information you really need to have.

    Good luck!!
  • george94george94 Posts: 75
    No problem mtv - I have 03 SP, PP, 5sp, probably very similar to what you are getting, congrats by the way, and my annual insurance bill is $1200 in Boston which I suppose is fairly expensive to insure. I do have a good safety record, LoJack and some other discounts though. Good Luck, you will love your E39.
  • mtv65mtv65 Posts: 45
    Thanks George! My wife called the insurance company this afternoon and got a quote of...........drum roll..........$263 for 6 months. Pleasantly surprised! The 5 will be driven primarily by my other half and I've still got my M3. I suppose we can switch every now and then. I'm thinking NO since she hates the clutch on the M3....that's the best part =). Guess I'll have to come up with excuses to drive it......'Babe, we're out of your favorite ice cream. I'm just gonna run over to Nob Hill really quick.' Nob Hill is at the next town 15 minutes away....should be plenty of time to get the car warmed up for some spirited driving =).
  • tam2ktam2k Posts: 16

    I had this posted in another board and mtv65 suggested that I post it here as well!

    I'm in the process of researching to purchase my 1st BMW. I'd like to buy a 2002 525 with <30K miles. On Kelley Blue Book, they listed an estimated trade-in price at around 28K and private at 31.4 for a 30K mile car in Excellent condition. The Edmunds TMV lists the car at 28.7 trade-in and 30.3 private and 33.3 retail. I'm in the Atlanta area. Should I look to purchase at the 28K price or less? Has anyone purchased a 2002 recently?

    I test drove a 2003 525 today and really liked the ride of it actually better than the 2004 that I test drove last week.

  • fla528fla528 Posts: 17
    I traded a 2000 528 in on a 2004 525 ( I like the looks of the 2004 better.. believe it or not..)... However, I have the 16" wheels with the Continental tires on the car. I love the looks but it seems to handle worse than my 2000 528..Should I upgrade to 17" wheels with higher performance tires, like Michelin , or Bridgstone Turanza. Will this help the handling aspects.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,624
    The 17" wheels/tires should help a lot.. It all depends on how far you want to go with the handling aspects.. Turanza LS-Vs will have better handling, but still a compliant ride. If you really want to stiffen the handling, Michelin Pilot Sports or Goodyear Eagle F1s.

    Warning: New factory wheels are very expensive.. not to mention the tires.


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  • ny540i6ny540i6 Posts: 518
    Want to jump on the mileage wagon... just returned from the Baltimore/Silver Spring run. Average speed was 74 going south, 59 coming north (time of day, weather difference). MPG was 25.6.

    I was happy.
  • manybmwsmanybmws Posts: 347
    Yes you will have much better road feel if you change the tires. Get Michelin Pilot Sport A/S and you won't regret it.
  • riezriez Posts: 2,361
    vcheng... What is amazing about the E39 540i6 is that not only can it go over 155 mph (there is a rev limiter), not only is its 0-100-0 time outstanding, and can go 0-60 mph in about 5.4 seconds, but even with all this performance, its weight, and 4.4L V8, it still gets 26 mpg in real highway driving!

    Not sure there is another 5-seat super high performance sedan that comes close to it in an all around package. (Unless you are willing to pay a fortune more for cars like Ferrari (2-doors) or Maserati, or move up to the 7 Series, S-class, Bentley, etc.)

    The Lexus LS400/430 performance pails in comparison.
  • manybmwsmanybmws Posts: 347
    o 325i, 231 HP
    o 330i, 265 HP
    o 330ti, 333 HP
    o M3, 401 HP

    Saw this on Autospies: egoryId=1

    So we might get 256HP out of the new 3.0 liter six, and better yet 333 out of a turbo version.

    One can only hope.
  • fla528fla528 Posts: 17
    Wheels can be expensive if bought at BMW dealer.
    However, I have purchased wheels from tirerack, and they were half the price that the dealer wanted. The reason I will probably upgrade to the 17" wheels along with the Michelin, so that the car will track better. It seems with the continentals the BMW does not have that dead center feel. I have to always have small corrections at highway speed to keep the vehicle tracking straight.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,317
    You guys with the Inline Sixes and V8s should be damn proud of yourselfs. Your big 5ers are getting better mileage than I do with my 4cyl, FWD Honda Prelude. I know a lot has to do with the gearing, but it is still impressive.

    I agree that the SUVs should have to meet the same federal regualtions that cars do because SUVs are used primarialy as passenger cars. Maybe if the SUV owner had to pay a Gas Guzzler Tax upfront, they'd think twice. Oh wait, then GM/Ford/DCX would just give another few thousand in incentives to offset the gas guzzler tax and tack on an extra year of 0% financing to make it 7 years!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • vchengvcheng Posts: 1,284
    I agree with you about the capabilities of the 5-series. It is truly a great performance sedan, and yes, the performance of an LS430 pales by comparison.

    My point was only about the fuel economy.

    Still, I would bet you that I can lose my licence just as quickly in my LS as you can in a 540i6 in this land of 55 and jumbo coffee cup holders and cellphone yappers!
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