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  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    Really? I think you need to go back and re-read some of kccts' posts.
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,578
    but I'm glad I glommed onto a good low miles E39 when I had the chance. I like owning a four y/o car that's better looking than the new ones.


    I predict the next Fiver will look more like an E39 than an E60.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • equan1equan1 Posts: 27
    I own an E34 525i, E39 540i and E46 330i Cic. To me, they're all great in design and I'm very happy with them, and get a lot of pleasure driving them. I agree with above comments that one has to look forward and I think the E60 has a modern look, and it definitely has a real presence on the road. While I'm not in the market for another car, I'm sure I will be happy with the 545i and E90 in the near future. I like the E60 interiors - simple, subtle, an understated elegance, unlike flashy and "junky" dash displays in the competition. Less is more. With few exception, older models will look outdated. It's just that some people enjoy the era they're in, likely their formative and early productive years, and are fixated and reluctant to change. I'm in dangerous grounds now but look at the number of people who continue to live in a certain decade - dress, hair styles, home decor, music, art, tastes, etc. I'm not saying one has to be changing all the time but the world moves forward in time. My 2 cents.
  • I did not mean they will fail as a company. As BMW chases volume their cars will become more mainstream, good, bad or indifferent. I also realize that a company either grows or dies. As BMW grows they will reach a point where they have to buy out other companies (and become something else) or get bought out (and become something else). The Rule of Three will eventually prevail.


    The E60 faces resistance because not only is it further along the mainstream path, the emphasis on design over performance is greater.


    I do believe the E60 will out sell the E39, hence, more mainstream. The design appeals to post baby boomers.


    It is not that I dislike the E60, I appreciate the E39 more.
  • kscctsksccts Posts: 140
    Well said. I love seeing people get fired up over all this. Shows how lucky we are to live here where we have the free time and energy to argue about which $50k+ car is more attractive.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 63,177
    You might be the first person to describe the E60 as mainstream..


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  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    I agree about the E60 probably being more attractive to post-baby boomers, but I have to ask why you think the emphasis is more on design than performance? The E60 is faster (545 vs. 540), more agile and brakes faster than the E39 so I don't see where you're coming from. Do you mean just in terms of the E39 being more of a bare-bones performance car?
  • I said more mainstream. As volume increases mainstream will also converge on BMW.


    BMWs in the past were marketed and perceived as "form follows Function". I do not see that as a definitive principle with the E60. I agree the performance bar is raised, but there also is a push towards contemporary styling, maybe even trendiness, that I do not see in preE65 models.
  • I hope you aren't implying that a granola eating guy who recalls Tet '68 like it was yesterday, can't appreciate an E60? (By the way, while you're up, pass me the Boone Farms, please.)
  • designmandesignman Posts: 2,129
    Are you sure all you want is the Boone's Farm? ;-)
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 63,177
    Boone's Farm... definitely makes you over 40.. If you were might have been TJ Swann


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  • pen101pen101 Posts: 238
    Regarding the E60 design comments, think back to the cars that you owned over the years. For each car, did you think the manufacturer improved on your car in the subsequent body design change? For me, I would say 7 out of 9 cars, I felt I liked my current car design better. I guess I get attached to a specific design and any changes to it are hard to embrace. This same bias is with the E60. I love my E39. I have not warmed to the E60 design. At least I am consistent. Are others this way too?
  • bmwdougbmwdoug Posts: 248
    The new design of the 5 series is awesome. I take a double look every time I see one. I love the car. Styles change and times change. BMW did the right thing. This is one hot car! But, sales have been down when compared to the old style, so maybe I am in the minority opinion.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Maybe we're both in the minority opinion. But I don't think it's the looks that are effecting the sales as much as the price, everyone I talk to has positive comments on the new design and almost everyone agrees it's a good starting point for the next few years. But a 530 for $50K, whew. If I were spending $50K I would see if I could manage a 545 or go American - CTS etc.
  • cassidymcassidym Posts: 108
    You can swing a 545 for $50K r damn near. I paid $54K for mine and could have gone lower had I foregone HUD and NAV plus some of the other gee-gaws and whim-whams that I couldn't resist.


    I did this by first getting European Delivery (ED), which knocked off $5K, then having the Edmunds invoice price at hand when I negotiated.


    True, I got the salesman to shave off another grand by giving him my car (86 325) for a buck.


    With ED, you have to fly to Munich to get the car but, if you time it right, you can get low fares and inexpensive accommodations. We went during Octoberfest but still got half fare on Lufthansa. Plus Munich is a blast even in the dead of winter. You can drive your new 5er all over Europe and ship it from most any country or ship it directly from Munich the day you get it.
  • bmwdougbmwdoug Posts: 248
    Excellent point!! As much as I like the car, it is the price that has kept me from taking the plunge. I don't believe you can even obtain a completely loaded 530 for $50,000, I believe it is more like $55,000. I am seriously considering a 300c or CTS.
  • fla528fla528 Posts: 17
    I have a early release 2004 525i, I can add nav to the car for only $1,800( this is for early release cars only). Does anyone here have navigation in the 2004 model, and how easy is it to use with the I-drive. I appreciate any comments.
  • I hated the look when it was first released. Couldn't understand.....


    I have since realized that I hated the new look not because of how it actually looked, but that it was a radical change in appearance from a car that I LOVED looking at.


    I have come to really like the new 5. In fact, instead of learning to deal with the looks like I originally thought I'd have to do I find myself looking at the E39 and thinking it looks old and out of date to an extent. Still beautiful, but it looks to me like an older model.


    Anyway.....two dealers in NJ told me the X version will be out in late spring. Both dealers were selling me the current 530i.
  • equan1equan1 Posts: 27
    Not trying to be out of topic but the following is from the TL forum today. I don't agree with the last sentence either. I wonder if he has ever owned/driven a bmw 5 series.

    "I took delivery yesterday of a new 2005 TL - Green Pearl - Parchment Interior - No NAV. The engine in this car is awesome and the interior has a rich look. I traded my 2003 Cadillac CTS in on the TL. My CTS had over 50,000 miles on it and I had many reliability problems, I just lacked confidence in the CTS. I am amazed at how much more refined the TL is compared to the CTS. The TL's engine is so much smoother and more powerful than the CTS. I only have about 50 miles on my TL so my impressions are limited, but I am impressed thus far. I believe if the TL was rear wheel drive it would be recognized as the best sports sedan in it's class."
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Yes. I feel the same way. A friend has a 2004 530i in silver and I couldn't stop staring. However, reliability issues prevent me from seriously considering this car at this time.
  • cassidymcassidym Posts: 108
    NAV, like everything else with iDrive is awkward and counter intuitive. For example, when you get to the screen where you enter the street or city name, the alphabet appears. You then have to turn the iDrive Controller until the cursor lights up the first letter you want. Once you find it, you press the controller down to select it. Then, it's off to the next letter. It's a slow cumbersome process.


    And, switching off the guidance voice is not as simple as it should be. Also, the system gets itself confused occasionally and will ask you to make u-turns when your destination is right in front of you.


    Now, having said all that, I still love the system. I've got NAV in a 2005 but don't believe there's much difference. You get an easy to read map that you can quickly change the scale on.


    And, although the system does sometimes get confused, most of the time it gets you to where you're going a lot easier than driving with a map in one hand. In fact, you'll find yourself getting very dependant on the thing.


    I've lived in the DC metro area since 1970 and still sometimes have to drive somewhere unfamiliar and NAV is a big help. For example, we went to a restaurant in a town 80 miles north of here a few weeks ago. Without NAV, it would have been difficult finding the way. But with NAV, we drove right to the front door like we'd been there a dozen times. And, here's a feature I like: as soon as you enter the destination and the system calculates the route, an estimated time of arrival (ETA) appears at the bottom of the screen. That time changes based on your speeds and the nature of the route in front of you (freeway vs city roads). Very helpful when you're tight on time.


    BTW, $1800 is not an especially good price. That's the standard option price for NAV.
  • ajroseajrose Posts: 29
    Verizon finally cane out with a Blue tooth phone (Motorola V710). Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get it to connect to my 05 BMW.

    Can anyone help?

  • Yes, Verizon came out with the V710. But they were thick headed and short-sighted. It came with settings designed to push owners of the phone towards proprietary bluetooth software, or in some cases where Verizon had marketing relationships with the provider. For 90% of the users out there, it was a disaster.


    I believe they've sent it back to "back out" the crazy blocks, and that it should be compatible fairly soon- if not already.
  • sb55sb55 On an Island in VermontPosts: 304
    I just got an email from a dealer advising me that the 5 series will have the new larger engine and AWD avail. in April of '05. I assume they will be '06 model year changes.

    2007 Miata PRHT, 2014 BMW 535d x-drive, 2014 Chevy Silverado LT Ext. cab

  • I have been told by my dealer that the new engine and AWD option go into production in March for April delivery.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    My Mom took delivery of her Black/Black 530iA earlier this evening. The car looks really sharp in black. It seems to hide some of the car's contreversial styling cues (bangle butt). I took it for a quick spin and from what I saw & drove I was impressed. The car is traditional bank vault soild. The interior materials are rich. I love the heavy weight of the steering. Handling was damn impressive for a non-SP equipped BMW that weighs almost 3500lbs. I love BMW's buttery smooth Inline 6. Garage door opener was simple to program. I'm not a fan of the i-drive concept by any means, but it seems to be pretty straight forward. She's only going to use it to scroll through her radio presets anyway. Hopefully my parents will enjoy the 530iA as much as my Dad likes his Sp equipped X5 3.0iA.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,578
    Autoweek for 12/27 confirms it, saying BMW will offer a 525xi, 530xi and 530xi "sport wagon"

    (Don't know ix the reversed letters are a typo on AW's part). In another departure from it's traditional nomenclature the 525 motor will be a 3 liter rated @ 185 hp while the top version in the 530 will have 255hp/200 lb feet.


    The new xi(?) models will be seen at the NAIS in January and offered for sale "next spring"

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

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