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BMW 5-Series Sedans



  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Dude, it's always a good idea to make sure the brain is in gear before engaging the mouth (or the fingers in this case). First off, for whatever reason, BMWs have historically been much faster than the numbers on paper would otherwise indicate. Like it or don't. Second, the 530i has 255 hp, not 220. In fact, I cannot remember a 530i model ever having 220 hp. Maybe the old V8 version from the early 1990s?

    As far as calling y'all Trolls, yup, that's what y'all are. Descending upon a dedicated forum and bashing the car in said forum is VERY Trollish behavior. I would expect the same treatment if I was to start posting on the Sonata forum claiming that it is nothing but an overpriced spam can. Now, if this was a comparison forum, then all bets are off of course.

    As a final comment, BMWs have NEVER been all about horsepower. There have been times when they have evolved to the point where they were near the leading edge, however, I cannot remember any time in history when any non-M BMW was a class leader as far as horsepower is concerned. When the Trollish elements of the driving public finally get that through their heads I sincerely hope their incessant need to bash will evaporate.

    Best Regards,
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Well said! If someone is driving what they consider to be a superior automobile, why do they feel the need to justify it in forums dedicated to other marques? To paraphrase a friend of mine, I seriously doubt that there are any 5er owners who lie awake at night wondering if they should have bought a Hyundai or Toyota...
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Why do you bother posting here?
    Your comments are totally absurd and have no basis whatsoever in fact.
    Just because you are miserable, why come over here and make ridiculous claims?
    Go tell it on the mountain in the Toyota forums instead of embarrassing yourself here.
    Your post is totally laughable!!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    As Shipo correctly points out, BMW's have never been about the HP.
    You are completely missing the point.
    It's about the incredible balance and performance rivaled only by more expensive vehicles.
    When I am driving on the interstate and I have to make a quick emergency maneuver, it's the BMW that will make it safely, not the Camry or bloated brother, the (ugh!) Avalon.
    BMW's are relative bargains for what they are.
  • breldbreld Posts: 3,275
    I just happened upon this thread since it showed up on the "front page" of the forums, and have thoroughly enjoyed reading the posts from the folks who are so knowledgable about the 5-series (and other BMWs). So, I thought I'd take advantage of the expertise on this forum and ask for some advice.

    I drive a TSX now, and would like to replace it with a larger, AWD car (or wagon). After several months of lusting after the E90, I finally decided that it was just too small for my needs, and have moved on to the 5-series (as well as others in its class). So, I've entertained thoughts of what are probably considered the "usual suspects" - M35x, RL, GS300 awd, A6. I am, however, very drawn to the 5-series.

    Since I entered this with a 3-series budget in mind, these cars are a bit of a stretch, and I've started looking at the used market. Obviously, there's not a ton of inventory out there on these newer models, but they're starting to trickle in.

    With all that said, here are my questions/considerations:

    1) Any apprehension I have with the BMW relates to reliability - I've owned almost exclusively Japanese brands (Honda, Acura, Toyota, Infiniti). My thought is that with going with a 2006 or newer 5-series (to get the AWD) alleviates some of this concern, with 3 model years under their belt?

    2) From looking at Autotrader and other sources, it seems to me the wagon is depreciating much quicker than the sedan - I assume due to the lower demand for the wagon? Since I like the functionality of the wagon, this could work out well for me.

    3) I've always had manual trannies on my car. I'm strongly considering going to an auto for this purchase for a couple of reasons: a) part of me thinks the auto fits the character of the 5-series (i.e., I wouldn't consider an auto in a 3-series) and b) if I'm looking to the used market, I'm thinking it's gonna be extremely difficult to find a manual. Now, I know this is a personal decision, but anyone else make that move from a pretty die-hard manual trannie person to an auto?

    4) Any other advice based on my situation?

    Sorry for the long post; thanks for any insight.

    2017 Durango R/T - 2017 Civic Type R - 2016 MB GLC300 - 2012 Mini Hardtop - 2016 Jetta (daughter's)

  • meateatermeateater Posts: 123
    My .02.

    I was interested in a 06 325 or 330. Dealer didn't have a 330 I could test drive, so I drove the 325. Decent car, kinda slow, but a little small for me. So I asked about the 5 series. They had a 525 to drive. And it has the same measly 215 hp engine in it as the 325!

    Wow - what a deal! And I'm German and have been strongly considering a BMW. What a letdown. Didn't see how the $50000 for the 530 and 255hp was the answer.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    So, let me get this straight, you're slamming all BMWs after one test drive? In a 325i (automatic?) no less. Yeesh! For the sake of your credibility let's hope that your test drive was at the very least over night and covered one hundred miles or better.

    Best Regards,
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    I had 2 325's.
    Now I have a $60k 4.4 liter 325 hp 32-valve V-8 545.
    By Jove that is the answer, and I'm not even German.
  • laurenxesqlaurenxesq Posts: 9
    Hi jccssc.

    I just leased an 06 330, I'm in CA. Am also experiencing high pitch noise when driving above 80 mph. The dealer's technician test drove with me and I was able to duplicate the same noise while I was driving. Dealer now refuse to repair, stating they will not break the law by driving above the legal speed limit to duplicate the noise defect. Please share with me how your BMW dealership repaired your vehicle & how did they over come the driving above 80 experience. Thank you.
  • cmr530icmr530i Posts: 278
    Oooh. I love your answer! Wish I could do the same.
    Here is the answer for me: I have an Accord for when I must behave on the road, and my 530 for when I want a heart thumping driving experience. :D
  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    I had 2 325's

    So you had a 650....

    The V8 5s are nice, but after seeing life on the Autobahn, Mercedes is calling my name.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,318
    To answer some of your questions and put your mind to rest about BMW reliability:

    My Mom has an '05 530iA that she leased in December '04 with a little over 20,000 miles on it. It has been to the dealer exactly once for her 1st service. BTW I'm actually considering buying her car when the lease is up in a few years.

    My Dad has an '04 X5 3.0iA that he leased in February '04 with close to 48,000 miles on it. It has only been back to the dealership for 2 scheduled maintenance trips (The 3rd is coming tomorrow) and once for a front brake caliper that locked up on him. The only problem he has is that the rear hatch keeps popping open intermittently.

    If you've got a TSX that's a stick, check out a 5er in a stick. Manual transmission BMWs are very rewarding to drive.

    As far as switching from Japanese brands, DO IT! BMW not only gives you a full 4 year/50K warranty, but includes scheduled maintenance as well. I have a HOnda Prelude which is very reliable, but I've got to have the oil changed every 4K miles, replaced the clutch at 52K miles (now at 67K and going strong).

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • sortersorter Posts: 146
    Go tell it on the mountain in the Toyota forums instead of embarrassing yourself here.
    Your post is totally laughable!!

    I disagree. I like Jimmy's post. the BMW HP do need to catch up. Why can't the BMW has more powerful engine than a Camry that cost 1/3 of the money?

    I think it is the lack of technology for Engine Performance. BMW is paying the most of fuel consumption federal fine in any car company. Again, that is due to the lack of technology for Fuel Efficiency. It is working with GM and Chysler for a Hybrid! come on, where is the standard? where is the German pride!!!!
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    The 530i is a good ride. Its engine is actually more refined than the 545's V-8.
  • hpowdershpowders Posts: 4,301
    Huh? Except for their gas-guzzling SUV's, BMW engines are models of fuel efficiency.
    My 545 V-8 gives me 21 mpg on average-60% highway, 40% city which is much better than the Infiniti M V-6!

    The 3 series will give me 25mpg.

    Where's the fuel inefficiency?
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Tell the truth, English isn't your first language. Right? :confuse:

    I'm baffled by your post. BMWs recent engines (say since the late 1990s) have proven to be some of the most efficient ever made at any given power rating. Take both of their recent 3.0 liter I6 engines as an example. If you compare the 330i against say the G35, the 330i is more than a match for the G35 around a track (although not in straight line acceleration, which is only one metric), and at the same time able to deliver real world steady state highway fuel economy over 30 MPG. I've never even heard a G35 owner claim as much as 25.

    In my case, my 530i was consistently able to eek out between 30 and 32 mpg during my frequent runs between New Hampshire and NYC, which by the way, isn't exactly Cruise Control territory.

    Regarding Hybrids. Puleeze! That's a still-born technology if I've ever seen one. My bet is that BMW is pretending to pursue hybrid technology for political reasons. My hope is that they (or any of the other German manufacturers for that matter) never produce even a single hybrid car.

    Said another way, the BMW 330d is capable of well over 40 mpg and still delivers very good performance. Why would anybody want a porky hybrid slug-mobile when wonderful driving machines like the 330d, 535d and E320 CDI are already being mass produced and simply waiting for the U.S.A. to get its ULSD act together? I sure as hell don't.

    Best Regards,
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    Here's some advice: 2006 525xi stick's -- can be found, but difficult.

    This particular car WITH the stick shift will very likely satisfy many of your wants and nullify most of your concerns.

    Theses models are subvented (the lease prices are low, that is.)

    You can nearly have your cake and eat it too.

    Prior year's 5's are NOT offered with AWD.

    The M35x is a sweet car, but probably still going to be more money even now than the above suggestion. And, it is ONLY 5spd auto.

    The A6 is only auto, but I love mine -- would TODAY rather have the 5er in X drive format with a stick. Rather have the Audi with the auto though.

    In your situation, I would probably work on the 525xi w/stick as my first tactic.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    . . .the Horsepower War.

    All of the Germans do, for whatever reason, seem to lag behind the Americans and the Japanese in HP. Hmmm, after two Bimmers and 28 Audis, THEY ALWAYS HAVE.

    Yet, time and time again, "nothing satisfies, like beef."

    The German cars in a broad statement, I will admit, are frequently less powerful than what might be considered ($) the competition; but, they perform in a way that is more dynamic and far more satisfying.

    The Infinit M's "get it." But even they don't quite "have it" (but they are close.)

    An Avalon may well (it is) be more powerful than a 5 with a 6 cylinder engine.

    If that is all you want, go get it. You probably won't get many takers here on the notion that the Camry or Avalon, et al, can compete with a 5 series (or to carry the flags, A6 or E class) -- the Germans, despite some lower hp numbers are all about performance.

    This is not to stick my head in the sand and deny they do need at least 10% more under the bonnet, at any one time, to keep fighting the "War."

    The monthly (US) sales figures for this class of car are posted over on the LPS forum regularly. The top two are Germans. The bottom one is Japanese.

    If voting with dollars counts for anything, you make the call. I didn't see the 5, the E and the Avalon on the same list. HP or not, it just isn't the same no matter how much you may wish it were. :shades: :surprise:
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735

    I drove an M5 with the V10 and SMG, and I'm not talking about a drive down the main street in town.

    That thing is just ridiculously fast, and I didn't even have the M button pressed! In a stretch of asphalt no longer than a football field and a half, we got to 80+ mph right before having to use the brakes for a sharp left that faded into a gradual sweep.

    Here's a pic of the car I'm talking about here, for those who haven't seen one. :)

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    I think I want an M5, but with 3 pedals. SMG was nice enough, but I would prefer 3 pedals with that kind of power.

    My wife had test driven a 530i previously and was not too happy with it (I suspect it was the color choice of white outside and grey inside with the metal trim vs wood). But the M5 was incredible, save the red interior (blah). If she didn't need 4 doors and our retirement fund, I'd love to get an M6.

    BTW, the Z4 M roadster is a blast to drive too, and as fast or faster. There is just NO practical use for a Z4 M roadster. But man, is it a kick in the pants to drive (in manual trim too!)

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  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hey Paul, I've often enjoyed some of your driving pleasures in a vicarious kind of way, and this is no exception. Thank for the B-Day present. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    Thanks. :)

    I don't auto-x like brave or div do, but I sure do have fun when I get a chance to open em up in a safe environment. :)

    Happy Birthday! :)

  • cmr530icmr530i Posts: 278
    Happy B-Day, Shipo!
  • sdg380sdg380 Posts: 109
    With all these posts about claimed horsepower, I'm surprised that nobody pointed out that when the SAE recently called for more stringent testing for HP ratings, the bulk of the companies that ended up down-grading their ratings were Japanese!

    Being familiar with Japanese bikes, I'm long since used to optimistic dry weights, optimistic speedometers, and optimistic tachometers. There's always speculation as to where these numbers come from, but the SAE beef concerned what accessories were to be driven by an engine when measuring its output. Alternator? Water pump? Radiator fan? A/C? We should all know that the above items collectively account for dozens of "parasitic" hp, except that its pretty hard to drive without most of them.

    Since I don't know that many of us are intimately familiar with just how the different OEM's actually measure the hp, I wouldn't be overly impressed by numbers which might be "optimistic", but would instead focus on real world measures, such as heads-up 0-60 and 1/4 miles times, and comments by testers who (consistently) say that "BMW's seem to get the most from their ponies". With bikes, the bike rags now strap them to a certified dyno, set them on calibrated scale, and then run them through the quarter, which is normalized for altitude and pressure. Until the car rags do this, too, all these claimed HP numbers are just that, claimed.

    I'm not saying that the Japanese cars don't offer a lot for the money, they frequently do, but there's a reason many of us willing to pony up considerably more for a German ride, and there's a reason such cars have a market, notwithstanding any supposed HP deficiency.
  • ctlctl Posts: 129
    It is a competitive world out there... looking at it from one aspect. Anyone with $25K can buy a ~270HP family sedan (BTW, it is all SAE so no "claim" no more). that objectively beat a BMW530 on a straight line. No argument about that. But there are certainly more to a car than that. To the least, what does people with $50K do, to make a statement, or simply wanting better? A $5 street watch and $5K rolax can tell time equally well, life is just much more complicated.

    I will simply put, they (530, E, A6) are better cars, and they cost $50K). Are they worth the difference? don't go there, no need, least of all just whisper, don't argue :)
  • socalguy61socalguy61 Posts: 10
    IMO, it's ridiculous to compare a 5 series with a Camry.

    Reported horsepower alone is a poor and simplistic measurement. Horsepower to the wheels is different than horsepower out of the back of the engine. Further, that doesn't even take into consideration the WEIGHT of the vehicle, the distribution of that weight, etc, etc, etc, which are EXTREMELY important factors.

    A friend of mine had told me many years ago (when I commented to him about the seemingly low reported HP numbers of BMW) that "BMW horsepower is unlike anyone else's". I didn't know what he meant until I drove one. My new '07 530i is now "in transit", and I can't wait!

    Of course, perhaps I should by a Daihatsu Charade and "pocket the cash". After all, it was car of the year in Malaysia! Naaaaaaa, I'll stick with the Bimmer.

    That being said, sales figures don't tell the story of which is a better car either. McDonald's may be the world's biggest restaurant, but I'm pretty sure they aren't the finest.

    What if we were all given a free car to drive. A Camry or a 530i? I don't think we'd see too many Toyotas on the road.

    Happy birthday shipo. We took up a collection and we bought an M5 for you. Now if I could just find the fob.....
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Thanks gang. [Blush]

    Regarding the $25,000 car (V6 Camry?) beating a 530i in a straight line, a few thoughts occur to me:

    1) Who cares? If you want the BMW to go faster, just opt for the V8 or failing that, the V10.
    2) Comparably equipped (or at least as comparably as possible), the Camry ain't no $25,000 car.
    3) If straight line acceleration is the be all to end all in determining which sedan is the best, then wouldn't something like a Neon SRT4 or WRX STi be considered the best? After all, both of them will handily destroy the 530i and the V6 Camry in straight line acceleration (and any number of other metrics as well).

    When I got my 530i I made the decision not to opt for the V8 version. Why? Well, even though I love power and speed, and even though I'm sure I would have very much enjoyed the intoxicating power of the larger engine, I realistically decided that the 530i was fast enough and satisfying enough. The truth is that after I picked it up in Munich I was able to allow it to stretch its legs on the Autobahn and even the lowly 3.0 liter engine was easily able to accelerate up to the top speed governor.

    During the three years that I had it I cannot remember even a single time when I really and truly wished for the larger mill.

    Best Regards,
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Thanks for the driving impressions; I think the new M5 is a magnificent car, but I still prefer the E28. It's a bit more visceral and it makes me feel almost hard-wired into the whole driving experience. That said, I toyed with the idea of ordering a new M Coupe, but instead I've decided to pick up an older E46 330i manual-which will free up a few more dollars for the M1 acquisition fund. Don't they say that pleasure postponed is pleasure intensified?
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580

    May you never find yourself at the wheel of a FWD Asian Econo-Drone... ;)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,318
    Paul -- That M5 is a phenomenal looking car. I've seen quite a few (considering it is a limited production car) since its introduction. The exhause note is simply intoxicating. I'm glad at least one of us nuts on the board here actually got to drive one:)

    Happy Birthday Shipo!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • rich545rich545 Posts: 386
    First of all, there's a lot more the HP that goes into what a car costs. The Camry is like those generic cans of vegetables you see in the supermarket. Bland. Secondly, drive the cars and research them more thouroughly before you post because the 2007 Camry V6 is not faster than the 2007 530i. Both make 0-60 in about 6.5 seconds. Now, you don't really think that the Camry's suspension can handle the turns like the 530's either do you? Do you really think Honda spends a much to produce a Camry as BMW does to produce a 5 Series? HP is only one part of performance. Most of the time it isn't even the most important part.
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