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  • Another consideration: twin turbos are a maintenace nightmare waiting to happen.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 21,990
    bah. there is no proof of that.
    there are plenty of turbos that have been on the road for decades with no extra maintenance problems.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • Thanks for the comments. I gave BMW a rest yesterday and test drove a Mercedes E320 Bluetec diesel. It was really super, more impressive than the 528i.
    I was almost sold and then re-read the Mercedes reliability ratings in CR. They terrified me.
    Today I'll go back to a BMW dealer and take another look. I see a low mileage 2007 530i that I should perhaps consider, but it is in an inconvenient location.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "bah. there is no proof of that.
    there are plenty of turbos that have been on the road for decades with no extra maintenance problems."

    Agreed, I've got nearly 200,000 miles of turbo driving under my belt and never had any kind of a problem with them. Simple rule: Use the best (in spec) oil available and change it frequently.

    FWIW, there have been some interesting UOAs published over on BITOG for 335i engines that have shown that the factory oil as well as Mobil 1 0W-40 get used up pretty quickly. Were it that I had a 335i or a 535i (with three pedals under the dash of course), I'd be changing the oil at 5,000 miles and then sending the oil off for analysis, just to be on the safe side.

    Best Regards,
  • ny540i6ny540i6 Posts: 518
    My 2 cents (and my obvious bias shows in my tag) would be go for the 535.... I have always found that "going backwards" in HP usually feels wrong....

    On another note, my E39 540 is still rolling right along, with 136000 or so on the odo - The hiccups are rare, and I plan keeping it until at least 250K. If I do anything more to it it will be cosmetic - the front end of this car gets sandblasted over time. I'm pretty happy with the Dinan mods, including clutch, cold air intake, exhaust etc... and not sure if I want to make any suspension changes... I'm happy with the ride/handling balance, really love the look of the 18" M sport parallel spoke wheels, etc etc. Ironically, I find myself looking backward with BMW for my next car... either add another E39, or find an older E34...
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    With the launch (2005) and subsequent failure (2007) of our new business, my financial situation isn't what it was a few years ago. That said, I'm anticipating "rounding the bend" so to speak from a financial perspective in the next year or so, and will be hopefully able to get back into a BMW, albeit a slightly used one.

    With the above in mind, I occasionally browse through the used car ads to see what's currently available, and I've been noticing that finding a 2001-2003 530i 5-Speed with the options that I want is difficult at best. On the other hand, since the 2001-2002 540i 6-Speed has all of the goodies I want and is only fetching a couple of thousand more than the tarted up 530i SP 5-Speeds, I may join you in E39 540i-dom. ;-)

    I know what you're going to say, "Hey, what about the 2003 540i?" I'm actually not a fan of that garish (IMHO) nose treatment that BMW put on the 2003 540i 6-Speed models, so they're not under consideration. :P

    Best Regards,
  • ny540i6ny540i6 Posts: 518
    I know what you're going to say, "Hey, what about the 2003 540i?" I'm actually not a fan of that garish (IMHO) nose treatment that BMW put on the 2003 540i 6-Speed models, so they're not under consideration.


    You ALMOST knew what I was about to say.... actually my comment was going to be that I bet the rather overdone nose of the '03 would be an issue... I know it is the least favorite view of my car for me. It is also a bit of a pain - fortunately for my wallet my corporate driver training (from years ago) mandated backing in to parking spaces, so I have done that for years, otherwise that low front clip would be toast 10 times over!
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Great minds, it seems, think along similar patterns. :D

    Best Regards,
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 18,592
    Shipo if you are looking for some good E39s, go see my friends in Chichester.

    Concord Motorsport

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Yeah, I browse their site on a fairly regular basis as they always seem to have a number of 540i 6-Speeds in stock. When the time comes, if they've got what I want, I'll be giving them a visit as they aren't even an hour away. ;-)

    Best Regards,
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    If you don't mind traveling or shipping, you can also try
    these guys as well as these guys.
  • Fascinating that neither carry a single '03 530SP - e39's are out there, but guess owners like me aren't too rushed to sell!
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    Yeah, and a "well equipped" second-hand 335i Sport is impossible to come by as well. :( I did notice that Auto Sports by the Lake has an '06 550i and an '07 335i Sport for the exact same price! Who in their right mind would choose a 335i over a 550i for the same money? :confuse:
  • Well I always wanted a 5 series but I couldn't pull the trigger on a 08. I also needed the Xi.

    2006 CPO 530xi Sedan
    24,500 Miles
    Black/Auburn Interior
    Every Single Option available (some not needed like motorized rear shade)
    Only missing piece is Satellite receiver but it is wired for it

    The car was owned by a dealer, it has a small blemish on hit a garbage can and needed cosmetic repair. I saw the repair bill to confirm it was cosmetic only.


    I am ecstatic, pick up tomorrow...
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Congratulations. ;)

    Best Regards,
  • Two questions separate our comments:

    What percent of BMWs are leased?

    What percent of leasers exceed BMW's maintenance schedule?
  • pen101pen101 Posts: 238
    Tomorrow marks 6 years since I purchased my 02 530i, SP, PP, 5-speed. It now has 67,850 miles on it. Just for fun, I checked my expense records to see what my cost per mile was for 2007. Here is what I found:

    2007 miles driven: 9,651

    Total auto related expenditures: $11,657

    Cost per Mile: $1.21 (see below for details)

    MPG = 23.3 (9,651 miles / 414 gallons)

    My cost breakdown is as follows:

    Payments to BMW Financial: $609.81 x $7,318 (will own outright after 12/28/2008)
    Fuel: $3.284/gallon average x 414 gallons = $1,360
    Repairs: $2,127 (includes Inspection II at $919, 3 new PS-2 tires at $628 (bought other in 2006 after flat on freeway), oil change and brake flush, extra oil, fog light bulb replacement, smog check, details and car washes)
    Insurance: $852

    This was a more expensive year than most for repairs because of the tire purchase and the Inspection II cost. Also, after 12/28/2008 my cost per mile drops significantly once my finance payments end. I had leased the car for 3 years then purchased it.

    Are these costs consistent with other owners?
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 10,198
    Are these costs consistent with other owners?

    The costs to run my wife's 528iA were a bit lower, the primary differences being due to the fact that I bought the big sled used and paid it off in 3 years, I used an independent BMW tech for major services(my cost for an Inspection II was @$450), and I bought Kumho tires from Tire Rack.

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport / 2014 M235i / 1999 Wrangler / 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2016 i3 REX/2009 Cooper Clubman Son's: 2009 328i

  • We havent heard from you in 2 mos. You were getting a 550 in Nov or early Dec. How about a review. Any regrets? Be hard on the review telling bad points. We are aware of the good ones. You said the 535 was more "tossable". Isnt it a good thing? Was the 550 quieter, how does it ride and handle now compared to the 535?
  • I have driven 14 different cars over the last over the last 36 years and have never been in an accident where I was hit from the side. Sure, it could happen, but if you are aware of your surroundings it is the least likely way to get hit. Not buying a car because of that video is just being paranoid. On the other hand, I have been hit from behind while stopped at a light 3 different times :(
  • I'm still not sure what to make of the side crash test results.

    However, I remember reading about a long distance drive BMW hosted when the 2008 5 series were released, providing a set of all the 5 series models for the press to take turns driving from Nevada to California I think. Anyway, one of the drivers wrote about going too fast around a corner, losing control, going off the road, and rolling the car where it came to rest upside down. He said he opened the door easily (with the car resting on it's roof) and he climbed out without major injuries.

  • jeqqjeqq Posts: 221
    "Not buying a car because of that video is just being paranoid."

    I'm not paranoid at all. Please read this.

    Side impacts are the second most common fatal crash type after frontal crashes. About 9,200 people in passenger vehicles were killed in side impacts in 2005. In crashes with other passenger vehicles during 2004-05, 49 percent of driver deaths in 1-3-year-old cars and minivans occurred in side impacts, up from 31 percent in 1980-81. During the same time, the proportion of driver deaths in frontal crashes declined from 61 to 46 percent.

    "These changes are attributable to two effects," says Institute president Adrian Lund. "There have been significant improvements in frontal crash protection — standard airbags, improved structural designs, and increased use of safety belts, for example. At the same time, growing sales of SUVs and pickups have exacerbated height mismatches among passenger vehicles, thereby increasing the risks to occupants of many vehicles struck in the side."

    Here's the full article:
  • jeqqjeqq Posts: 221
    I know one of those drivers who witnessed that accident. The passenger was okay, the driver had injuries. I'm not sure to what extent but he did have to be hospitalized. Yes, the integrity of the car looked fine after the roll over. The BMW 5 series scored well on front and rear impacts and obviously rollovers but failed on side impact. Something you should consider IMHO.

    BTW, if not for that I would probably get one. The ride and handling are the best I've driven.
  • bdkinnhbdkinnh Posts: 292
    >" I'm not sure to what extent but he did have to be hospitalized."

    If it is the press event drive, the driver was only held for observation relating to back injuries.

    One other thing to note: immediately after the crash the car called BMW Assist and reported it. Emergency services were dispatched without anyone having to do anything.

    Well... other than roll the car. ;)
  • jlbljlbl Posts: 1,333
    Yesterday afternoon I had a serious accident with my 2004 BMW 530d. I was the driver, my 28-year-old daughter sat on the front passenger seat and my wife on the rear right one. Everyone had the safe belts fasted.

    We were crossing from celebrating Christmas at my brother's to our place at a ski & mountaining resort for a ten-day-holiday. As a consequence, the car was heavily loaded, it even holding one of my daughter's pair of snow skis inside the cabin. We were cruising on a two-lane highway at about 75 miles per hour.

    We were in the left lane of the two lanes, speeding in order to taking over other car that was in front of us on the right lane. Then our front left tyre burst out. We collided laterally against the left highway security rail and got rejected spinning round towards the (empty) right lane; I tried to regain the car control by counter steering, but eventually the car hit, this time with its right side, the right rail. Next we hit frontally the left rail and then—again after making a spin or two (who knows?)—did it frontally against the right rail to eventually coming to a stop.

    (I have mentally passed the film of the accident to myself quite a few times last night.)

    Nobody was injured. My family and I are safe at home now. Not even a neck pain nor a muscle contracture.

    All airbags came out in turn: laterals first, frontals last. (I could see the road after the lateral collisions until the first frontal one happened.) The car is now a mere ruin but for the rear end. Yet all four doors and trunk can be opened as usual. It must be said that the car did not roll over its roof.

    Hoping next year be at least as fortunate as this one :surprise: ,

  • You are reading too much into those statistics. Those tests are done in a controlled environment with a controlled setup (31 mph, etc.). Life is random. If an SUV hits you from the side going... say 45 mph, you are probably going to be in trouble no matter what car you are driving.

    Since 9,200 people in passenger vehicles were killed in side impacts in 2005 and 18,807 people died from accidental falls in 2004 - I guess you shouldn't stand up and walk around, since the odds are better that you might fall and die than by getting killed in a side impact collision. Also, 59,664 died from Influenza/Pneumonia - you might want to wear a mask if you are brave enough to stand up and walk around.

    BTW, I am not making fun of you. I am trying to show that buying or not buying a car that you like because of a so-so grade on one specific test should not influence your decision that much. The odds of you being in a side impact collision with an SUV going 31 mph while you are stopped in a BMW (or any car) are not that high.
  • Wow, glad to hear that you and your family are OK Jose.
  • cmr530icmr530i Posts: 278
    It is so great to hear that you and your family are healthy after your experience. I was wondering what brand of tire was on your car and how many miles were on the one that blew.
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