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Lexus LS 400/LS 430



  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    I didn't realize that myself. I thought all LS430's had water repellent windshields but the custom/ultras had water repellent side glass.
  • rennyboschrennybosch Posts: 329
    My dealer said the Custom Lux model has been discontinued. This means the only way to get the laser cruise control is to pay for all that unnecessary back seat stuff. And I have become so used to the laser cruise that I wouldn't want to be without it.
    It seems so strange to me because when the 2001 LS 430 first came out, a lot of people on this board commented that they wished they could get all the Ultra Lux features except for the back seat stuff, but that Lexus didn't offer that choice. Then some months later they announced the Custom Lux and it was exactly what we had all been hoping for. And now they discontinue it again? Can anybody see any logic in that?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    I had heard much earlier that the custom lux was going to go away. But it didn't until now per your dealer. When I bought 6 weeks ago they had dropped the availability to a handful of colors and I coud'nt get the Flint Mica. I will bet that they will kick-up the modern lux package to be more of a custom lux car in 2005. There isn't all that much of a price difference between the two. The CL gives you laminated side glass, laser cruise and nappa leather (as an option). It used to give you the perforated leather with seat coolers, and rear parking sensors but Lexus made these across the board add ons to all option packages from premium to ultra. It doesn't make sense to have the ML and CL so close in product and price nor does it make sense to limit the laser cruise to just the Ultra in the future.
  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    My dealer confirmed yesterday that the Custom Lux package is no longer available. They have a lot of UL and ML packages in stock--almost no Premium. However, they say that Premium Pkg cars are readily available should I want one. I saw a Flint Mica car for the first time today. It's beautiful, but boy does it show the dirt,
  • Not out in the market yet. Will be shortly. Worth the wait. It works great.
  • Michael,

    I do own a LS (our second one) and also live where it rains/snows quite a bit. However, I could never imagine mud guards/flaps on an LS or a Jag, S-Class, etc. Actually, I believe that Lexus needs to seriously improve the exterior looks of the LS and would not want to do anything to detract from the current model exterior. I am traveling overseas on business and can not wait to get home to see the new pictures/drawings of the MY07 LS in Automobile, Motor Trend, etc -- that you all have recent discussed. I am interested in the design of both the new LS and S-Class coming in 2006/7.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yes Lexus has been criticized (with some validity) of basically copying the design of the old S420 with the LS, though I do like the looks of the '04 redesign. The '07 car should be a much more radical departure, in any case, I'm not going back to an S class. Especially not if this LS500GT rumor turns out to be true. A 17mpg S55 is going to be a tough sell if it is.
  • rgswrgsw Posts: 333
    I looked all over my literature (could not find my sticker) and the only way I can find Water Repellant Glass is on the "passenger and driver" glass windows. I have never seen a reference to Water Repellant Windshields. I see a listing for "Water-repellent front-door glass" on the Lexus web site for the LS430. I can't tell any difference by looking at the numbers and letters on the door glass. I do note a difference when washing the car, the front door glasses repell the water better than the rear door glass.
  • rgswrgsw Posts: 333
    Custom Luxury Package no longer listed on the Lexus web site for LS430 under the heading "Build Your LS". The "Price/Options" section still has CL listed along with the "Sport Package". I did not find the Sport Package listed under "Build Your LS". A bit confusing to say the least.
  • James:

    I like the dull exterior, others like the star...A conservative exterior that is not too flashy with an awesome interior to me is perfact.

    I would ask you to go the Lexus owners club and search for Mud guards someone has posted his 01/02? with a full set of mud guards and I think they look just fine...But we are all different.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    See link below. Under safety - it reads water repellent front - door glass. I would assume they mean the windshield and front side door glass. The CL and ultra add laminated side glass. I assume this adds water repellent to the rear door glass as well.
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    All LS have water repellent front side windows. The C/U trim adds water repellent windshield. The sticker price shows this clearly and so does the web.
  • I have a brochure for the LS that also show the water repellent windshield and side glass.
  • feverhartfeverhart Posts: 144
    "Custom Luxury Package no longer listed on the Lexus web site for LS430 under the heading "Build Your LS". That information may depend upon your zip code. I just logged on to that WEB site and Custom Luxury is listed in "Build your Ls". Custom Luxury is still available in the Maryland area.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    You can build it here in New Jersey as well.
  • rgswrgsw Posts: 333
    Thanks for all your comments and info regards Water Repellent Glass and Availability of CL Package. I get better informed by participating in these discussions.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    It appears to me that the actual availibility of certain models and/or packages has nothing to do with what is, or is not, configurable in "build your own". The RX performance package has never shown up there even for outside my area postal codes yet I know them to be available, rare, but available.

    The build your own models available may be restricted to vehicles deemed surplus inventory for a given area. AWD RXes inadvertantly shipped to FL for instance. Or maybe just slow moving factory "builds".
  • ron36330ron36330 Posts: 69
    Mud flaps for the LS 430 are not available in the U.S. However, they are sold in Canada. They are sold in a set of four, and they are genuine Toyota parts imported from Japan. The mudguards come prepainted, so they are special order only. They can be ordered and will arrive in 2-3 weeks. The cost is approxiametly $250.00+-(includes shipping)depending on the prevailing exchange rate. You can order at the following: The Auto Fashion Store @
    Hope this helps
  • jsb16jsb16 Posts: 64
    Did you get your hands on a Motorola V710? It should be coming out on May 21st based on some reports I've read and this will be the first Bluetooth Verizon phone. Some guy in ebay sold one and had a legitimate bid for $1000 that was trumped by a zero feedback buyer. I was going to get a V600 but will wait to see the V710 if it will be launched soon. Does it appear to function well with the Lexus system? Although one would think there is a standardized protocol, my Lexus dealer is very conservative in saying a bluetooth phone is compaible
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,302
    I am surprised that there has been little or no discussion about this topic. I realize that cost is of no concern to most luxury car buyers, but cost is not the only issue here. The environmental issue should also be considered. I have been using 10% ethanol blend for my 2004 LS430 since about late December. The owner's manual states that Lexus encourages the use of 10% ethanol blend. I have had no problem at all with it. I can't say that the gas mileage is any worse either. I am wondering what all of you 2004 LS430 owners have been using for fuel. By the way, the cost is a substantial 15 cents per gallon cheaper here where I live. Any discussion would be appreciated.
  • go_mdx1go_mdx1 Posts: 135
    Any comments on whether or not the Sport Tuned
    suspension is a good option?? My dealer seems to infer that this is NOT a good option to have and that most of his spec car orders will not have this option. Sounds like customers have not been happy with the option.

    Personally, I like a sporty suspension and am willing to give up a little bit of ride comfort for this.

    Thoughts (pro's and con's)??
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    I usually just get premium from a big brand like Mobil. I'm aware it contains 10% ethanol, but I never really knew what that was all about. Better MPG, lower emissions, etc. When regular was $1.00 and premium $1.20 I was more bothered and secretly praised Cadillac for using regular. Now, though with regular at $2.20 and premium at $2.40, it doesn't much matter. I'm finding the 04 LS is getting 2-3mpg better than my 01.

    I'm sure you're right that luxury car buyers don't look at MPG. If any brand might be MPG conscious it would be Lexus, since many LS owners buy value. Some, like me want all the MPG we can get. We anxiously await a hybrid.
  • edspider1edspider1 Posts: 195
    Search this forum. My understanding is if you like the stiffer German ride, the sport option is something you'll like. I like the big boat ride personally. The ultra has air suspension and you can stiffen it up via a switch on the console. I can barely detect the difference.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    They simply don't make that many of them. I know two people who have it - one has an 01 and the other has an 04. They both love it and the cars are flawless. Most dealers son't want to bother with it because it means a delayed sale and/or trading with someone else - hence the BS from your dealer.

    Gas - how much gas will you use in a year - 600-700 gallons, maybe a 1000 at most. I have a 14-15 cents price differential where I live. Is it worth it to save $100-150 a year on a car this expensive and risk hurting such a perfect engine? It's never smart to be penny wise and pound foolish unless you are forced into such a situation.
  • rgswrgsw Posts: 333
    For what it's worth, my sales representative told me that one of his customers elected to have 18" wheels put on his 2004 LS430 after it was delivered with 17" wheels. He told me the customer was not happy with the 18" wheels and swapped back to the 17". Switching from 17 to 18 inch wheels without the related sport suspension would only make the car ride rougher?
  • topspin628topspin628 Posts: 373
    I got the same "run around" from the local dealer. He told me that that don't get shipped to this part of the country and they really aren't around to test drive. Seems to me for a 70K car they should "let" you order it the way you want.

    I think Lexus has a great service department but from my experience with a local dealer, they are still from the "old school" in terms of sales.

    Fortunately, you buy the car you don't really have to deal with any other hassles again, so the trade off is worth it. But I haven't experienced the luxury aspect of the selling process as being up to par with the auto itself. They should really work on that.
  • feverhartfeverhart Posts: 144
    Well, there's more than one dealer around. Talk to them until you find one that will accomadate. I checked out 6 dealers for a custom lux mystic gold until I found one willing to go all out to get me that combo. It'd due in port on May 24. Some dealers ARE BETTER than others.
  • cyclone4cyclone4 Posts: 2,302
    ljflx, I would never want to save a few hundred dollars per year with a chance that it would damage the car. That would be absolutely stupid. However, if it states right on the manual in "black & white" that Lexus encourages the use of ethanol blend fuel, then why not use it. As I stated above, I have been using 10% ethanol blend for over 4 months now. I have not detected any difference in mpg nor in the way the engine runs. It is as quiet and smooth as ever. I do have a bit of a problem with initial hesitation when stepping on the accelerator, but it was the same way when I was using premium gas the first month or so I owned it. Does anyone out there besides myself use ethanol? What are your experiences? Am I taking a risk?
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    I always buy 93 octane and never paid attention to ethanol so I was simply referring to price differences between 93 and 87. I'm a tightwad on gas and buy the cheapest one around - but always 93 octane. My personal experience is that mobil is the best gas. I've always gotten the best mpg with Mobil. A truck driver told me Mobil was the best a long time ago and for awhile I bought nothing but Mobil and saw the difference he was talking about. These days I tend to make my decisions on the convenience of getting my credit card back 10 seconds after I give it to the attendant. The fact tht the gas is the cheapest around - $1.85 for 93 octane yesterday - is an added benefit. But I did notice the price jumped 6 cents as I drove past the gas station on my return home from the office. I'll buy a very expensive car but I hate $2 a gallon gas prices. When the prices were very low a few years ago 93 Octane here in NJ got as low as $1.03. Why does that seem so long ago.
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