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Lexus LS 400/LS 430



  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    Besides regeneration there are a couple of hybrid advantages that come to mind:

    1. Better accelaration with the same size ICE, or same accelaration with a smaller ICE.

    2. ICE gets turned off during stops at traffic lights, etc. Saving fuel that would be wasted while idling.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Better acceleration comes from using the batteries, if the "charge" you're using came from recovered energy all well and good. But if the "charge" was the result of the ICE charging the batteries earlier then a small turbocharger would have been more efficient.

    Smallish engines such as in the Prius could undoubtedly be stopped and then quickly and easily restarted using the alternator via its drive belt.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    What are you talking about? What "standard car" is capable of even close to 60mpg? Or is SULEV\PZEV? Even the best, most fuel efficient turbo direct injection diesel's can only achieve around 40mpg, and they do NOT come close to the Prius's level of zero emmision tailpipe. The new E320 CDI cant even be sold in 5 states because its too dirty burning.

    Where did you get this info that the only way the electric can recharge is through using engine power? Do you even know how HSD works? I suggest you read up on it. Also, the RX isnt using electric power to run some sort of Lysolm screw type blower. The reason the 400h is faster than the 330 is because the same gasoline engine is used, and the electric augments it, adding 40 additional hp, and filling in the bottom of the torque range while the 6 is winding up to its peak power band. The RX330 can manage about 22mpg, and hits 0-60 in about 8 seconds. The RX400h will get around 40mpg, and hits 0-60 in about 7 seconds. Yeah that sounds like such a flop to me. Why would anyone possibly want a cleaner, faster, more fuel efficient car, when they could get a slower Toureg V8 that gets 12mpg. Now that is science.

    Where are all these supposed missed due dates coming from? The RX330 was introduced the end of last year as an '04, and the RX400h was planned for a late '04 introduction as an '05. It was never going to be some sort of mid model-year intro.
  • mox1mox1 Posts: 24
    Have been planning on buying a new LS430. Wondering whether I should wait for another 3 months before the MY2005 come out in Sept. Does anyone know what changes are slated to occur next year. The salesmen at Lexus dealer do not seem to know.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    "Smallish engines such as in the Prius could undoubtedly be stopped and then quickly and easily restarted using the alternator via its drive belt."

    Are there other cars that actually do this? If not, I have to assume that it can't be done quickly enough to be unobjectionable. Personally, if a light turns green and I step on the gas, I want to get moving right away.
  • erad98erad98 Posts: 23

    I assume the guards were installed uneventfully on an "American" LS430? Please confirm prior to my purchasing the guards via the internet vendor referenced earlier (any other vendor recommendations?). Thanks for your help!
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    The Prius works in such a way that the gas engine stopping and starting is entirely seamless. The only way you can tell the engine is not running is that the car is eerily quiet. The Prius is not a stop light racer, and I doubt that anyone is buying it for its performance. However, 0-60 is average for the class, not bad considering the engine only produces roughly 74hp.
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    I do understand the basics of how the Prius works. I think wwest was saying that WITHOUT a hybrid capability, a normal ICE could be shut down at a traffic light and quickly restarted. I'm just skeptical that this would work fast enough.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Yeah I'm sure. The next time I need to be in NYC, I'll try turning off my engine when the light turns red. I wonder how long it will be before I get shot.
  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    I would expect that there will be very minor, if any, changes in 2005. The only exciting possibility for 2005 is whether or not a hybrid will be made available at some point. If so it would probably be well after September. The real question is whether the big big changes due are in 2006 or 2007? With those changes we will undoubtedly get a hybrid either standard or as an option. I think its 2006 - can you hold out that long? If you can't but want those big changes - take a 24 or 36 month lease. If those changes aren't important to you than a late model year 2004 purchase will save you money and likely get you the same car you'd get in September as a 2005.

    As Aggie76 stated - you'll be happy for quite sometime in this 2004 - that's for sure.
  • ron36330ron36330 Posts: 69
    Yes that is correct. I live in Alabama and my LS is an 03 LS430, US spec. The US LS is the same as the Canadian version except for some mods appropriate to the climate. They look like factory installed Mud Guards.
    Hope this is what you wanted to know.

  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I dont know of any changes slated for the LS430 for '05. It was just freshened for '04, so I would expect it to continue pretty much unchanged until the '07 replacement.
  • aggie76aggie76 Posts: 266
    Wow, had some time to go through my owner's manual and just keep finding amazing things about my new LS. Took family for a long ride last night and all are just overwhelmed with comfort and quiet of it. Am so glad I decided to stay in the Lexus family.

    Delivery experience was ok with dealer. I still rank the experience I had in getting my first Lexus at Superior Lexus in Kansas City as the finest. They had an interior room at the dealership with the car in it; decorated with chandeliers, couches and easy chairs, carpet, mirrors & music. The room was dark when we entered with music and the lights rose up as we stood there. They had soda pop and non-alcoholic champagne to celebrate the event and we spent as long as we needed to go over options, etc. Then when we were satisfied the curtains at one end parted, doors opened by remote and we could drive out.

    Having taken delivery of new car in all weather conditions this was, and 7 years later, still the best experience. Don't know if Superior is still at same location but they sure did it right.

    Dealer here was excellent in the entire experience and the car reflects that too.
  • erad98erad98 Posts: 23

    That's what I needed to know. Thanks!
  • topspin628topspin628 Posts: 373
    Has anyone recently compared the Edmunds TMV on the LS to the market prices actually being paid?
    Just curious on how accurate this has been proven to be.

    Also, any feed back on using their system of getting multiple price quotes via this site?
  • aggie76aggie76 Posts: 266
    I just negotiated my deal on an '04 LS with Custom & Smart Access and the TMV is more than $5k higher than what I closed my deal for. I did get quotes from several dealers but stayed with my local dealer who beat them all based on my relationship and good negotiation skills. In fact, dealer beat a loan rate I found at another place without any questions once we had agreed on a price.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    For me, I use the TMV as the "unofficial" MSRP.... often times you can do MUCH better than TMV..much better. If anything, use it as "high" benchmark.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    Indeed, my '01 LS430 is my second LS, and its been just a fabulous car. I used to own an S420, and it just doesnt come close.
  • aggie76aggie76 Posts: 266
    I had looked at a number of other's and just couldn't make a change from the quality, reliability & enjoyment of a Lexus after all the great years and miles on my GS. I seriously considered the S430, E500, Phaeton, A8L, and looked, just for grins at the new 300C HEMI. None come even close to the LS. Just spent 2 hours going over all the options and making some changes to the ones I could impact. This Nav is certainly more comprehensive than the one in my spouse's '01 MDX. I miss the joystick but am sure I will get used to this within a trip or two.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I wasnt impressed by the Phaeton, and am not surprised that its a slow seller. The A8 already weighs like a billion pounds, and since it doesnt have the ASF, the Phaeton weighs like 2 billion pounds. Plus, it just looks like a super-Passat. The S class is ok, but its definitely due for a redesign. It just costs way to much money for what you actually get with the car. But hey, Im pretty sure a CD player comes standard now on an S430! Wow! The '04 LS uses their newest 3rd generation NAV, with roughly 6 million POI. It makes the rest of the systems in the industry look like a childs toy.
  • markemarke Posts: 1
    I've got a 2000 LS400 Platinum with 35,000 miles-just purchased from my father-in law. Its out of warrantee and I'm wondering if anyone has any recommendations for extending the warrantee-- programs , fees , etc...

  • ljflxljflx Posts: 4,690
    It's going to be near impossible to find a car that can replace this car if luxury and refinement is what is sought. It just has such super quality and executes everything so perfectly ans so easily. A dream car.
  • lexusguylexusguy Posts: 6,419
    I wouldnt waste your time and money on an extended warranty, not for the LS. The only thing you'll have to concern yourself with for the next million miles on that car is scheduled maintanence, and warranties wont cover that. By the time you can expect to start having to replace parts (roughly around 120,000) your warranty will probably be up anyway. As long as the dealer does regular service, you'll be fine.
  • topspin628topspin628 Posts: 373
    Thanks for the heads up on that. Can I ask you what you paid for that vehicle?

    Also, does anyone know why the invoice price is not listed on TMV for the LS and where can I find that data.
  • swiftmswiftm Posts: 68
    A loud boom in the back of my 04 LS UL with 3k miles yesterday while driving to a restaurant, engine shut down four times and restarted x 3 until I pulled into a parking lot, then the whole electrical system shut down completely with the battery light flashing prior to that, I called the lexus national service number and they send AAA with a flat bed tow within an hour, got a loaner car about 15 miles away from my home, dealer will look into it on monday, this is my six lexus and second LS, first Lexus trauma, what is that all about??
  • steven1steven1 Posts: 4
    I'm checking out methods to carry 1-4 bicycles on the Lexus. I've ruled out trunk and roof carriers as I'm concerned about harming the finish. I'd like to install a hitch and be able to attach a carrier.

    Anyone have any experience?
  • aggie76aggie76 Posts: 266
    There are a number of sites on the web. Do a Google search for auto invoice prices and several pop up.
  • woppenhewoppenhe Posts: 61
    Surprisingly, this was the advice I got from my delaer as well. I was going to replace my 2001 with the 2006 when it becomes available. Given that my vehicle has been maintained on schedule, the advice was to take a chance for a year or two rather than buy the expensive warranty. I have 40K and I think that the drive tain is basically protected long enough anyway. Anyone know the drive train warranties when the bumper to bumper expires, or are they the same. Haven't looked at this for a while
  • sysweisyswei Posts: 1,804
    I am using a Thule hitch-mount rack on my LX, but since you're getting a hitch this would work equally well on a sedan. My particular model is great because you can swing it out and then to either side, allowing unfettered access to the trunk.

    BTW before the Thule I had a Rhode Gear trunk-mount rack, which we used on a sedan. It was a total pain taking the bikes and then the rack off just to get access to the trunk.
  • steven1steven1 Posts: 4
    You're right about the trunk mount rack. Either you think in advance of anything you might need in the trunk, or it's a major unmount and remount of the bikes.

    During my investigations, I'm finding that there are hitches for most other Lexus models except the 2004 LS430. I'd want a hitch also that would potentially be removable at time of sale/trade in as it doesn't add to the car's impressive look.
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