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Volvo S60



  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    In terms of peace of mind, the certified car is the way to go. They can however cost quite a bit more than a private party or non Volvo dealer car.
    Avg cost to certify a used Volvo, including the warranty is @ $3000. Plus, the dealer wants a profit.
  • philmophilmo Posts: 77
    Unless your bottom-feeding I'd look for a 3-year old lease return as it's likely been babied and will have approx. 36,000 miles on it, then consider an extended warranty. We did this with a Honda Civic where the extended warranty paid for itself within 2-years and is transferable to the next owner when we sell it -- a great selling point.

    As far as things to look for I can't make any recommendations as all-is-well with our 2002 at 57,000 miles.
  • If you buy from a dealer, like I did, do the usual: go at the end of the month. At the end of the day. And be prepared to walk out when he laughs at your offer. I did. I got a call 15 minutes later as I was heading home. I demanded it be certified for the price I offered, and it was. He needed to make his quota, I guess. (Sorry to lay this out here, Volvomax... it is what happened at my dealer...)

    Before all that, though, do test drive the hell out of it, and don't ignore the niggling things. Like I said, it's very solid feeling... there's rather a cockpit feel about it which you will need to like. (At least in my sporty T5)

    Good luck.
  • voxboyvoxboy Posts: 30
    That's fine advice, Confused7.
    I was also wondering if dealers sometimes allow buyers to accompany them to auctions where they can cherry-pick from newly off-lease cars. Volvomax?
  • Hello all,

    I was looking at consumer guide to see what car I want to buy and narrowed it down to 3. S60R, TL-S, G35s.

    They are all about the same price and similar warranties.

    One thing that stood out is 3yr/36K mi included maintenance on Volvos.

    Is this true?

    If so, why did the Volvo dealer not tell me?
    WHy does Volvo sell 3yr, 4yr, 5yr, 6yr and 7yr pre-paid maintenance packages?

    Has anyone bought one of these and if so, have you haggled the price down?

    Please help clarify

  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Well, your offer must have been better for the dealer than you think.
    Contrary to popular belief there are no such things as "quotas", esp for used cars.
    The desk, not the salesperson determines the price of the car. No desk manager worth his salt would lose money just to get a salesperson to a higher number, or himself for that matter.
    Obviously, the deal was good for you and the dealer and that is what matters in the end.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Free sched maintenance went away after the 05 model year.
    The first service is free on 06+ cars.
    Volvo currently sells pre-paid maintenance, but it isn't that great a deal.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    the auction houses don't allow any non dealer personnel.
  • Any new word on when the next gen S60 will be coming down the track? I just drove the new S80 3.2 and found it to be a huge improvement. If the S60 shows as much improvement, I'd strongly consider it.
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    the new S60 will be MY2009 at the earliest.
  • Thanks for the update. The S80 is really a nice vehicle, hope Volvo does as well on their other upcoming models.
  • Just wondering what lifespan (miles) I can expect from my 04 S60 R, assuming I keep up with the service schedule and most miles ( 60%+) are on a highway ( so far total of 40K since 9/2003)
    I once heard, that turbos won't last as long.
    Any ideas?
  • volvomaxvolvomax Posts: 5,274
    Nothing that I have seen leads me to assume that the S60 will have a shorter life span than any other Volvo, currently @ 18 yrs.
    Obviously, the better you maintain the car the longer it will live.
    The turbo should last the life of the engine.
  • rhart1rhart1 Posts: 1
    I know I have seen this info on here before, but now I can't find it. When I turn my car into a parking space or any other sharp turn my front "wheels" or something makes a horrible grating noise. I am taking it in to the dealer, but I would like to know beforehand what it possibly is. Thanks for any help.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,291
    steering stops need to be greased.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • I just experienced this problem on my 2001 S60 with 76K miles.
    It's a bushing on the lower control arm that's going bad.
    The dealer will charge $760 to replace all 4 at once. (It's only a $25 part). Then they recommend alignment.

    I also have had the steering fluid reservoir replaced twice due to a badly designed part. (At dealer's expense) I saw some other complaints about this on another forum. I know there was a service bulletin about the reservoir, but no recall.

    If others have this problem, we should contact Volvo and the NHTSA to get a recall going.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,291
    control arm bushings should give you noise going over bumps. the poster just describes a noise when making slow, sharp turns. are you sure you had the same symptoms?

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • I'm so sorry, I was confused about which problem was causing the noise at turning on my car. I mentioned this to hubby, & he reminded me the turning noise was due to the steering fluid leak. It did stop as soon as the reservoir was replaced and refilled. This is a known issue with this volvo -

    Now I have another issue. While the mechanic was fixing the control arm bushings today, he looked around and found a small leak at the power steering rack. After scanning some other forums briefly today, now I'm wondering if this leak has in any way been caused by the lack of power steering fluid in the system. anyone know?

    How long can I drive with the PS rack leaking? :(
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,291
    i'm not sure why low power steering fluid would actually cause a leak.

    So the reservoir was replaced? How long ago? Maybe a fitting was not tightened properly or even cross-threaded.

    You can drive forever with a PS leak. Just keep adding fluid. Its just not environmentally friendly or convenient, however.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • The PS reservoir was replaced a year ago, then again just this week for the same problem. The part is badly designed. I know there was a service bulletin about it.
  • jam1000jam1000 Posts: 182
    Over the last couple of weeks, I have consistently been getting a rat-a-tat-tat kind of sound from somewhere under the hood (I'm thinking it has something to do with the turbo, but am really not sure). Lasts about 5 seconds, then goes away. Seems to coincide with colder weather, as it's been colder here over the last couple weeks and it's more noticeable in the morning than at other times (though it will happen pretty reliably if the car has been sitting outside for several hours).

    Any ideas? The dealer's service shop (with which I have to date been quite happy) said it couldn't duplicate the noise.
  • cj7375cj7375 Posts: 15
    I know most will laugh at me, however we (with my wife) are still debating that question.

    Bottom line: brand new Civic LX is the same price as the 2004 S60 2.5 T (at 30,000 to 40,000 miles on the clock).

    We've driven both of them. Yes, they are in different categories - we know that.

    Honda is nice and brand new, but it is Honda Civic - small and very firms seats and ride.

    Volvo offers smooth and comfy ride, lots of power. Higher class, definitely.

    Since we are commited to spend the money, we are looking ahead for maintenance, repairs etc.

    Reliability and dependability. Edmunds shows "True Cost to own" for the Civic is less than the S60.

    I still like the Volvo 2004 better.

    Hard to decide.

    Opinions will be appreciated.
  • My advise would be to get the S60 and an extended warranty. Yes, the Civic is cheaper, but it is cheaper in every aspect of its ownership, including the joy and satisfaction.

    You will get much more of everyday satisfaction with Volvo.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,291
    You answered your own question:

    I still like the Volvo 2004 better.

    If you don't get what you like, you will always regret it.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • voxboyvoxboy Posts: 30
    It's not a bad question. I've wanted an S60 since 2001, but could never pull the trigger because of the same issues that concern you (I've only had Hondas or Acuras).

    But getting back to your question, I think it comes down to what usually wins when you wage a 'heart vs. head' competition. Costs being equal, sounds like you derive more pleasure from the Volvo's driving experience. Of course you do. But if you're anything like me, and put a lot of stock in practical matters such as cost of ownership and reliability, then Honda may provide more ownership pleasure over the long term.

    If you don't mind my throwing a monkey wrench into your decision, consider a 2004 Acura TSX. It's in your size and price range, it's a lot of fun to drive, and like all Hondas, the price of ownership is about as low as you can get. Given your criteria, it may be the best of both worlds.
  • philmophilmo Posts: 77
    We took our 2001 S60 AWD in for the "major" 60k service which the dealer said would cost around $400. Major, indeed, $1,500 later we took our car home -- with poorer gas mileage than when we went in with; and with tires balanced such that they hopped around at high speed like drops of water on a hot griddle. (The boys at Costco are evidently much better at this than those at Volvo.)

    To me the most acceptable add-on was the need for new front brakes. Many of the other services they suggested/performed-- tranny flush, coolant flush, power-steering flush, etc, -- should have come up at other service points or should have been part of the 60k service with more accurate and realistic pricing. It's called managing expectations, folks.

    I went ahead with the suggested services due to the fact that many of them had never been performed though the car is 5 years old and driven in a mountain/snow environment. However, I am very unlikely to return to this particular Denver dealership now that the car is well out of warranty.

    Cost to own aside, it remains the best car I've owned to date. Which may or may not be saying much in this lineage: Chevy Nova > Datsun pickup > Plymouth Valiant > Volvo 164 > Jeep Cherokee > Honda Accord > Jeep Grand Cherokee > Volvo S60 > Honda Civic > Toyota Prius.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 22,291
    i wouldn't go back to that dealer, either. if they can't balance tires, i wouldn't go to them for anything.

    flushing 100k mile coolant at 60k? nope.

    flushing steering fluid? who does this?! no thanks.

    Always follow the owners manual. Not that I blame them, but service departments are out to make money (of course). You have to tell them exactly what to do and when to do it. This goes for all cars from all manufacturers.

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • autoboy16autoboy16 Posts: 992
    I hope that there is a general liking to Volvo's new styling direction as there is a preview of the next s60 online.

    I like the front and the rear is ok.

    But with Volvo putting the s60 against the C-class, 3series, and A4, where will the S40 go?

    -Cj :confuse:
  • philmophilmo Posts: 77
    Works for me, since the S80 redesign has morphed into the S60 but you can't get AWD unless you go for 8 cylinders. That's just stupid. The real question is whither the 5 cylinder low-pressure turbo engine on the new S60? Let's hope it stay, with some improvements. Getting 28-32 with 197 horsepower at altitude is wonderful.
  • confused7confused7 Posts: 25
    I have a 2006 S60 T5. Mileage 14,500. The mileage gauge for average consumption has been reading around 19 mpg for the past year (I bought it slightly used - dealer's vehicle - in April 2006). Granted, I do do mostly city (LA) driving, but can't I do better? I.e., is there something wrong with the car? I have tried both 87 and 89 rating gasoline and there seems to be no difference in consumption.

    Anyone with thoughts on this?
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