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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall



  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    I guess everybody is different,but at age 73 I don't consider myself any worse a driver than when I was younger.To even suggest that everyone over 70 is senile(and they are,you know)is just insulting,
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 31,112
    I agree. I have seen a lot worse 18-25 year old drivers than 70-75 year olds. And accident statistics agree with me.
  • gizzer777gizzer777 Posts: 335
    edited May 2010
    I am a recent refugee from the Edmunds Toyota Forum where I had purchased a new 2009 Toyota XLE Corolla (top of that line) I will shorten this up but after having their "shim fix" done to the gas pedal, I was still unhappy so I opted for an entire new assembly. A picture appeared yesterday where they reshaped the pedal as part 2 of that recall....what a butchery it is.

    Even though I do not count Toyota out......

    as luck would have it, a few days ago, I decided to bite the bullet and trade it in....For an extremely low mileage, extremely clean Subaru Outback (I would say it was about dead center in the 2.5L premium ;lineup...Just enough to keep me happy! (We had a terrible winter and I decided to get a used "mid" sized AWD auto for this year (my 1st used vehicle ever, and I am.....lets just say over 62!

    I am not buying into the Toyota story about the fault lying with the older segment of society (driving their Toyotas, to the market segment they were esigned for!!!! !!!!

    (well maybe like everything else, maybe a few of us oldies!)...IMHO there is definitely something "a brewing under that hood"....and it ain't a gas pedal, floormats, or their implementation of EPS (Electric power steering)...ITS CALLED A RUSH TO MARKET!"

    I never kept a car more than 2 yrs antyway but nwas not really happy about being "forced" out, and not when I felt like it! TO KEEP IT SHORT....NEVER KEEP THOSE GUYS AT TOYOTA DOWN!!!! THEY WILL BE BACK IMHO!

    As for my 2008 Outlander, in the couple of days I have owned it, I am pleased. I have never owned a smaller mid sized AWD before. Always been a larger AWD because of our climate.....I think I am going to like this though.....DESPITE YHE XTRA $$ i HAD TO GIVE UP ON THE TOYOTA TRADE! It is not easy getting out of anything that says Toyota on it! (LOL)

    For those trapped under water ij theirs, my sympathies and I hope they get something from the class action that is sure to follow (something other than a coupon for a discount on another Toyota...In all these years, It was my 1st Yota...definitely my last! Mostly due to the way they handled themselves
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Richmond VAPosts: 177
    I drove an '86 GL 4wd wagon for 14 years and an '02 fancy Forester for 5. I just sold my '06 Avalon to a coworker and bought a '10 HL Limited. Had more trouble, small things, with the 2 Subarus than anything else since a '67 Chevy. I had a new '87 Camry LE that was pretty good once the water pump was replaced. The '92 Camry LE ate motor mounts, blew a fuse panel and had a door handle break.

    The old Chevys were the only ones that ever had the throttle stick open. The '70 was worse than the '67.

    The front sub-frame members on the '86 Subaru finally rusted through, but the engine was still running. :) Got $250 for the car. 14 years/cost $11k new, not bad.

  • gizzer777gizzer777 Posts: 335
    edited May 2010
    Something is very wrong at Toyota (to say the least). This will probably be my last post in the Corolla Forum, but I thought I would share this:

    1) The used Subaru move seems to have been a good one for me (SO FAR and still have a bit left on the warranty to boot)

    BUT while vacuuming it today, I noticed something very (apparently simple....and Toyota OWNS a good part of Subaru. I wonder wthe final tab will be on all the recalls (BILLIONS)

    Under my gas pedal is an oem half domed object (about like a golf ball cut in half size). Why reshape pedals, floors, carpets and the rest. This little dealy bob seems to at least stop the pedal getting stuck in the carpet...Must have cost Subaru at least $.15 cents apiece!!!!
    I believe they build the Subarus in the same plant that Toyota builds some Camarys in too!

    The thickness of both the mats and carpet is at least double + that of the Corolla and those da^&% Corolla mats were $200!

    I still wish you all good luck! :shades:
  • novacouplenovacouple Posts: 19
    Just got a new 2010 RAV4. It was assembled in Canada earlier this month (May, 2010) with 90% Japanese parts. I could not help but notice the new floor mats fall well short of reaching the pedals and do not seem to move at all when hooked to the anchors. They also come with warning labels stapled the drivers side mat (to be removed by the purchaser only) that warn against using any other mat and to not let them get near the pedals, in five languages. It almost made me laugh!
  • delthekingdeltheking Posts: 1,152
    Got to be very clear to some stupid folks out there who dont think and use inappropriate floor mats ! :sick:
    Nothing wrong with Toyotas as you will realize !! :P
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 11,861
    no, the real problem is that Toyota engineers couldn''t design a vehicle that could accomodate 2 mats placed one over the other.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2014 Ford F-150 FX4
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    I don't know who would put a floor mat on top of another one in the first place. Anybody remember those old school mats that stretch from the driver's side across the transmission hump to the passenger's side?
  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 231
    If Toyota provided clearance for (2) mats, there are some folks that would put two mats plus apple cores and drink cans on the floor. Where do you draw the line against stupid.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    edited May 2010
    I haven't thought about those mats in years Lemko. Probably real collectors items now, but most have likely crumbled to dust.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    I had a rubber mat on top of the Original one, and still could not it stick.In deference to Toyota I cut part of the rubber one off so it does not even come close to the gas pedal.When I took my Prius to the dealer for the gas pedal replacement....all they did was cut a groove in it...I swear to you.that is true.Not sure what that is supposed to do. :confuse:
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 7,478
    It's so you can be groovin..... :)

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,054
    Not sure what that is supposed to do.

    Now you're even with the Toyota tech as I'm sure he doesn't know either.
  • djohnson1djohnson1 Posts: 54
    Subaru makes a great car. A friend of mine has one with about 100k miles on it.
    Never had much trouble at all, until gradually it would run rough and lack power and check engine light came on. Had to replace O2 sensor. A couple weeks later, same thing. I guess they had some bad ones, and they came from the dealer. She was still having problems last time I talked to her. I'll have to update that, since it's been a few months.
    Bottom line, cars are a love - hate deal. We love them when they are great and hate them when we can't get where we want to go and it's costing $$$$. And all cars have problems sooner or later ... too many wear items and parts. One problem is there are not as many out there, so not all of the info is readily available on how to troubleshoot problems. Good luck!
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    Gov't: 89 deaths tied to Toyota acceleration (AP)

    "None of the complaints have been verified."
  • gizzer777gizzer777 Posts: 335
    Thanks for the words of encouragement djohnson1.....Yes, I am still hanging around here, a few friends with 09 Corollas are also getting pretty upset with the goings on. (steering issues and those recalls +++ more)

    yes, The Subaru Outback is a quirky car and I know about most of them. Luckily I still have about 6 mos left on the factory warranty and it only has about 22k on the speedo (verified).

    It is funny...It is still chilly here, and when it starts up, sounds like a diesel til it warms up (knew about that with the 4 banger)

    Thanks again
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 11,861
    all my cars have enough room under the gas pedal for a soda can.
    i guess some manufacturers figured it out earlier than others.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2014 Ford F-150 FX4
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Can some one tell me why that back in the days of throttle "cables" there was never a gas pedal stuck issue...??
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    I thought there were?
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    You are correct. Cable-controlled pedals were always getting stuck due to one problem or another with the cable or its attachments at either end.
  • popsavalonpopsavalon Posts: 231
    The big difference is that if a cable controlled gas pedal stuck, a toe lift under the pedal would usually correct the problem. If that didn't work, turning off the ignition would work for certain. We had control of the vehicle, there was no computer to over-ride our actions.
  • nimiminimimi Posts: 249
    Welcome to the 21st century! Imagine how Orville and Wilbur would feel if they could sit in the cockpit of a 777!
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 11,861
    not exactly true, if the binding was under the hood.
    2017 Ford Fusion SE 2014 Ford F-150 FX4
  • djohnson1djohnson1 Posts: 54
    Sorry, wwest, but I've had two cars with throttle cables that stuck.
    One was an old Chevy 6 cylinder. I was in college and it was really in bad shape. Never fixed it. But it didn't have too much power and you could 1, turn off the key, although it didn't quit running very fast (it sort of dieseled a bit), and 2, you could pull the accelerator pedal back up. Probably some worn bushings or something.

    My second cable throttle car to stick was a Buick Skylark Sportswagon. Can't remember the year, but GM had poorly designed motor mounts that when they failed -- and most of them did sooner or later -- it allowed the motor to torque or twist, lifting up in the engine compartment, thus causing the carb linkage to pull wide open. It was fixed with a cable lock to hold it.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,294
    What year Sportwagon? I had a 1968 Buick Special Deluxe wagon which was the Sportwagon's smaller, plainer sister. Mine had a 350 V-8 with a 2 bbl carb.
  • On the RAV-4 2010 models with a "J vin number: Were the J Vin #'s excluded from the RAV-4 recall, or or were ALL 2010 RAV-4's recalled for the sticky gas pedal? I was told the Densel (sorry for misspelling) pedal was not at issue and vehicles equipped with it were not recalled; also that the "J" vin #'s had the Densel/Chinese manufactured pedals...not that I believe the car dealership that provided this assurance on the car I am considering. I would rather ask the folks on this forum and look forward to finding out what I should rely on, and what is "dealer fluff". Thanks.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    None of the Toyota/Lexus "announced"/publicized causes for SUA were the true causes.

    Toyota even said so in the case of the "sticking", non-Denso, gas pedal.
  • Then, ALL of the RAV-4's were at risk -- regardless of what gas pedal was originally installed in the vehicle?
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