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Toyota Halts Sales of Popular Models - Accelerator Stuck Problem Recall

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  • WHERE ARE YOU 'SEEING' THE 96' CAMRY CRUISE CONTROL COMPLAINTS?
    I RARELY HAVE EVER USED MINE SINCE PURCHASE IN 1996, AND WON'T AGAIN UNTIL I HERE BACK FROM YOU.
    JUT FOUND MY FIRST OIL LEAK, WITH 112,000. IT WAS MY OIL HOUSING GASKET AND O RING..FOR $10.81 AT MY LOCAL TOYOTA DEALERSHIP I
    BELIEVE I'M BACK TO OIL LEAK FREE DRIVING! THE GASKET HAD DISINTEGRATED AND THE O RING WAS MISSING...WHY DOESN'T A MECHANIC
    JUST REPLACE ALL GASKETS AFTER SAY 70,000 MILES? I'VE CHANGED MY OIL EVERY 3,000 MILES RELIGIOUSLY, BUT DIDN'T KNOW MY MECHANIC WASN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO THE DETAILS. ANY OIL LEAKS OUT THERE?
    TRY THIS INEXPENSIVE REPAIR FIRST..I GOT LUCKY!
  • kyfdxkyfdx Everywhere, USAPosts: 127,999
    Uh... 3000 posts in this discussion.... I don't think I'm that quick to criticize... :surprise:

    I agree about emergencies being stressful, and our reactions may be different..

    But, if one's reaction to a stuck-open throttle (that you are currently driving) is to call 911... then, really, they should take a cab.

    Driving 94 mph, in your own car... and, not even attempting to shift into neutral? Total incompetence. This wasn't a loaner car... it was his own vehicle.

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • Good question. Even though Prius was not included in the recent recall, you can see they have been the subject of UA investigations for over two years with Toyota doing little about it. Unfortunately neither did NHTSA.

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/09/prius_accelerate.html
  • roho1roho1 Posts: 318
    It certainly seems too convenient. The same day as the Toyota webcast. This event smells more than his brakes.
  • I know. Can you imagine the headline "Runaway Lexus slams into Tundra gas tank lying on the highway"? On the bright side, dropping the gas tank could be a fail-safe for a runaway Tundra.

    Here is another reference:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNews/idUSN0925486320100310
  • He must know the secret of putting a Toyota into UA mode.
  • dturrdturr Posts: 70
    There is a saying that is common in Europe.

    Toyota as a corporation is acting like a common criminal, they only admit to 20% of the truth.
    If you are thinking of making a purchase remember these words Let The Buyer Beware.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,277
    Well Rhonda Smith (The couple that took the stand in the trial that aired a couple of weeks ago) claimed she was able stop her Lexus after god intervened...

    I'm very strong faithfully but I'm sorry, that one is comical.
  • mickeyrommickeyrom Posts: 936
    I heard that he did try to shift into neutral, but rememeber the Prius controls are all electronic,not mechanical.It would NOT change from D to N.I have a Prius and that does have me a bit concerned.Maybe I should invest into an anchor.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    This event smells more than his brakes.

    Why would he cause certain damage to his own Prius that he really liked? The logic is not very clear for it to be a fabrication.

    I think we are finally seeing the true extent of the UA with Toyota and Lexus. In the past people were towed in and the dealer reset the computer and pushed them out the door.

    All these studies by people should include a cross reference study. When a complaint of UA is reported to the NHTSA of UA, go to the dealer referenced and look at their record of the incident. My guess is they would not find a record. Just part of the Toyota cover-up of all problems.
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    I'm very strong faithfully but I'm sorry, that one is comical.

    I don't find it any harder to believe than the cop at the Pentagon that believes that God stopped the bullet in the recent attack there. I think that there is clear evidence in these cases that something was amiss with either a Toyota or Lexus vehicle. That should be the goal of Toyota. To find what caused these problems. Not trying to discredit anyone that has a problem.

    Toyota has probably always used that method of handling quality issues. When they built quality vehicles in the 1990s, it was less of a problem for them. Now with their horrible DBW systems it is a mess for them and they do not know what to do but fight the messengers of quality issues.
  • Steve EliasSteve Elias Posts: 2,187
    Andre, how did you become more of an expert on the case or more informed than the CHP officer who 'shadowed' the runaway-prius guy for 20 minutes? did you see the interview with him? That cop could be biased of course, or tricked by the Real Estate guy's incredible acting and/or his cleverly rigging his car to malfunction.
    So... do you think the cop is part of the hoax or was he just duped like the rest of us?

    ps - another case happened overnight in MA with a RAV that was already recalled and "fixed" by Toyota. but hey, probably it was a hoax, an old lady just wanted to get on TV, huh?
  • vmrgvmrg Posts: 9
    Things I don't understand about the latest Prius case:

    - There wasn't a problem with the brakes. He used his brakes to stop eventually. I think brakes would stop a Prius, even at full throttle.

    - On a related note, how come there wasn't significant brake damage after 20 minutes of trying to stop the car (or was there)?

    - This guy was fully aware of Toyota recalls, took his car back to dealer. So how he did not know how to put his car into neutral?

    -This happened very close to where Saylor accident happened ->sympathetic police officers.

    - At the end, he conveniently turned off his car. Remember the other guy that showed his dealer how his engine was revving, no such luck this case.

    Brake lights don't mean anything, you can get that by slightly touching the brakes. Now, if this guy is proven right, I will be ready to eat some crow but it just seems to me like this guy is planning to sue Toyota and settle it out of court for some easy money.
  • winter2winter2 Posts: 1,801
    So how he did not know how to put his car into neutral?

    On vast majority of cars made in the past five to seven years, the gear selector connection has gone electronic and away from mechanical, thus the problem. Since we are now dealing with electronic control and electronic connections controlled by a computer module, any software issue or for that matter hardware issue renders the gear selector stalk useless when there is a failure.
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    Prius is now at Toyota dealership

    Yeah, and he should leave it there!
  • lemkolemko Philadelphia, PAPosts: 15,306
    You don't know how you're going to act until you are in situation. A lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here.
  • Good question. The behavior of these vehicles sure sounds like the cruise control logic is getting "stuck" in the ACCEL mode and at the same time is ignoring the brake input that would normally cancel the cruise SET. With the complexity of the software in these vehicles, that seems to me to be a very plausible scenario. I haven't seen much discussion about cruise control????
  • graphicguygraphicguy Edmunds Poster EmeritusPosts: 11,538
    buy....during Lentz's (Toyota U.S. President) testimony a few weeks ago, he let it slip accidentally that there may be cruise control issues in Toyotas. It was a brief slip. But, he did mention it. No one followed up at any great lengths on his statement, though.

    Looks like they will now, however.
    2018 Acura TLX 3.5 SH AWD A-SPEC
  • gagricegagrice Pahrump, NevadaPosts: 31,432
    I think Cruise Control is a very likely candidate for closer examination. It is directly linked with throttle and braking. We know the Woz has pinpointed a real design flaw in the newer CC systems used in the hybrids such as the 2010 Prius.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    The behavior of these vehicles sure sounds like the cruise control logic is getting "stuck" in the ACCEL mode and at the same time is ignoring the brake input that would normally cancel the cruise SET.

    Had that happen to me on a 77 Chevy Caprice that was well out of warranty. When in cruise mode, I had a few incidents where car would start accelerating without any input from me. Somehow I figured out it was cruise, flipped the switch on steering wheel stalk and I was OK. Only put up with it a few times. Am handy, so, opened hood, disconnected cruise and never had a problem. Could live without cruise since I did not use that Chevy much more for interstate driving.
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,957
    But, if one's reaction to a stuck-open throttle (that you are currently driving) is to call 911... then, really, they should take a cab.

    Driving 94 mph, in your own car... and, not even attempting to shift into neutral? Total incompetence. This wasn't a loaner car... it was his own vehicle.


    Agree that this is total incompetence and he shouldn't be driving any more, nor allowed to drive anymore. He needs to take a cab, I agree with you 100%.

    Not only that, but the CHP should ticket him for reckless driving and Cell Phone usage while driving laws being broken as not only is it illegal to make a cell phone call while driving in CA, but it is a stupid thing to do. It was reckless, and he should be cited as such, reckless driving. Yet again, proof the CHP never does a good job at anything.
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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 7,909
    Well he had to make the call in order to get a little publicity and document his hair raising experience !!

    I am sure he is now suffering from post traumatic runaway Prius syndrome as documented by his phone call. A few million will make him feel better.

    2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460

  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    edited March 2010
    By that measure....

    I'm flying along in my Cessna just reaching the airport and I discover that the gear down indicator will not light....

    After numerous tries, cycling the gear, a tower flyby, and another aircraft matching my speed to advise me of gear state, the master circuit pops, will not reset, and now I have no radio/tower communications.

    And the "LAW" says I cannot resort to the use of my cell phone...

    Sorry, the LAW BE DAMMED.

    A true story...mostly, cell phones weren't available at the time.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Yes, if the HSD system did not properly respond to the brake light switch by immdiately putting the system in regen mode then it may not matter why/how the gas pedal is "full on" nor that the driver tried to shift into neutral.

    It appears to me that the HSD ICE/MG control system was stuck in the CC "set/accel" mode.
  • Neibert told Sikes after the highway patrol caught up with him to shift to neutral but the driver shook his head no. Sikes told reporters he didn't go into neutral because he worried the car would flip. ----Yup this guy shouldn't be driving any car.

    The cars manoeuvred around two trucks going uphill to a "clear, wide-open road," Neibert said. The officer had only about 15 miles (24 kilometres) to stop the vehicle before a steep downgrade and was considering spike strips to puncture the tires as a last resort. ---That is a smart idea officer, flatten all my tires so we can really blame Toyota for loss of control at 94 miles an hour.

    Neibert, a 14-year CHP veteran, worked with Officer Mark Saylor, who was killed in August along with his wife, her brother and the couple's daughter after their Lexus' accelerator became trapped by a wrong-size floor mat on a freeway in nearby La Mesa. The loaner car hit a sport utility vehicle and burst into flames.
    Sure smells fishy to me. :confuse:
  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,957
    So... do you think the cop is part of the hoax or was he just duped like the rest of us?

    I think he was probably duped like the driver of that Prius was hoping to do to the rest of us. However, I wouldn't put it past of a CHP officer to be "in" on the hoax. I did see the interview with the CHP officer as well. The driver could have been using his left foot to stomp on the brakes while using the right foot to stomp on the gas the whole time, and the CHP is no better a witness to that fact than I am from my chair.

    Let me start by saying I have little to NO respect for the CHP and what they do, and how they do it. I was probably being a bit facetious earlier when saying "it's the LAW you can't use your cell phone while driving."

    So while I'm being somewhat comical in saying he should of been ticketed for using his cell phone, I am being serious when I say he should have been ticketed for reckless driving for not having even attempted to put it into neutral or turn the motor off, or put on the emergency brake PRIOR to calling 911. This is why I think the CHP needs a major overhaul; why wasn't he ticketed? It is dangerous and reckless to not act appropriately when faced with a UA situation.

    Lastly, let me add that during the interview the guy didn't seem "panicked" to me. He seemed rather calm. During the 911 call/tape, he didn't sound hysterical or really scared to me. Maybe he isn't the best actor after all.
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  • andres3andres3 Southern CAPosts: 10,957
    Why would he cause certain damage to his own Prius that he really liked? The logic is not very clear for it to be a fabrication.

    Except in real life the facts are his Prius remained completely undamaged (except for worn out brakes maybe). The CHP officer only maneuvered his vehicle in front of the Prius AFTER it came to a complete stop (in case of spontaneous acceleration with the motor being shut off :P )

    So the truth is there was no damage done to the Prius. I think that fact speaks louder than words.
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  • berriberri Posts: 10,138
    I think part of the problem is how Toyota is mishandling the situation which gets people into a nervous panic. For example, during the Congressional hearings Toyota said they would sit down with Dr. Gilbert and review his data. So what do they do? They rush out with their consultant Exponent (the apparent second hand smoke is not dangerous consultant) and immediately proclaim their car is fine. It may well be, but most companies would have first sat down with Dr. Gilbert, reviewed what he had and tried to come to a mutual agreement before rushing into judgement and locking in their position in public. Why does this matter? Because it makes Toyota (rightly or wrongly) appear to be trying to cover something up. I swear that Toyota senior leadership is like the arrogant GM of yesteryear. They are handling it like Roger Smith for heaven's sake! I don't think it would be as bad of a situation had Toyota leadership used some smarts and professional PR help in handling the situation when it first surfaced. Now the stink of what they created is adversely affecting our vehicle reputation and value. Personally, I don't think the safety issue is nearly as bad as it is being portrayed, but I'm mad at Toyota for what they have done to me as a customer with their seeming incompetence in handling a crisis.
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Richmond VAPosts: 177
    "but most companies would have first sat down with Dr. Gilbert, reviewed what he had and tried to come to a mutual agreement before rushing into judgement and locking in their position in public."

    You mean sit down like Dr. Gilbert sat down with Toyota to get their input before running to the media for his 15 minutes of fame with his half-baked "discovery"? That kind of mutual agreement?
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    "...half-baked "discovery"..."

    Fully "cooked" IMMHO.

    Why would Toyota go to the trouble of having redundant sensors in the gas pedal position sensor system but not take advantage of that redundancy capability??

    It makes no sense whatsoever.

    Even the factory shop/repair manuals indicate that the two sensors are continuously checked, monitored, one against the other, for coherency. If that check is not working, as Dr. Gilbert has seeming proved, something is seriously wrong.
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