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  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    George, Thanks for your reply. And I would agree with our host.. it is good to hear you are on the mend and participating again. I can't speak for everybody but the fact of the matter is your continued participation is very important to this forum and I personally would like to see your "stuff" in here on a regular basis. Not only are your posts entertaining but often insightful and lend a little class as well.

    I'm glad to hear about the Polk XM tuner installation. I know how much you enjoy Frank's place. It's my favorite as well however my wife enjoys "Watercolors" more, so when she rides, we mix it up a bit. Tell me, is there an additional monthly charge to operate the Polk tuner or does it pick up the signal via your initial agreement that was established with the purchase of the RL?

    My favorite athletic activity is racquetball and I am fortunate to have good health to be able to enjoy the game into the retirement years. I have played competatively for 30 years and when the back allows it, compete in national masters tournaments. The 2006 tournaments will be held in Canoga Park, Ca.(March) and Minneapolis in (July). Then in 2007 my home club here in south eastern Wisconsin area should be the host. The timing will be good because I will play in the 65 to 69 bracket for the first time.

    The RL is running well and I grow fonder of it as time goes along. We expect to take it on some trips a little later on this summer and fall.

    PS...I now have your e-mail address. Thanks. (Sent you mine as well)
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    There were recent postings on another forum about crash test comparisons between the Audi A6 and the M35 but no mention was made of the RL results which I will bring forward here as a reminder to RL owners that we ride in the very safest of vehicles on the road! The following is information from Honda months ago when tests were done on 18 different cars: The 2005 Acura RL earned the highest possible ratings awarded during the most recent frontal and side crash tests for all seating positions and rollover tests conducted by the U.S. Department of Transportation’s Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). Among the 18 vehicles tested, the Acura RL was the only vehicle to earn the top rating of “five stars” in all three categories. The RL is only the third vehicle in the history of the program to receive such high honors.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    Clarification: The recent tests released for the A6 and the M35 were the Frontal Offset and Side Impact by the IIHS. Both the A6 and the M35 aced the Frontal Offset with the same score the RL received. The IIHS has NOT yet tested the RL for Side Impact. Also the NHTSA has not yet tested the A6 nor the M35.

    So in the only test (only apples-to-apples test available) all three cars have been tested in, ALL three passed with the highest score possible. In the other tests performed on the cars ALL three did very well; but no comparisons are possible due to the apples-to-oranges nature involved.

    Bottom line the RL aced all three tests its been in, and the A6 and M35 also aced the two tests they've been in. Can't wait to see the NHTSA tests on the A6 and M35 as well as the IIHS side test on the RL.
  • cstilescstiles Posts: 465
    You can bet your bottom dollar that all 3 cars will ace all 3 tests. In essence, Honda, Nissan, and Audi have already completed simulated tests with test mules during the design phases for these models, to ensure that once real world tests are completed, each will score well.

    I suppose it's possible that they may not all receive the absolute highest "best pick" ratings, since simulation isn't a perfect science, but it's close enough to ensure that these cars will all do relatively well. I'll be shocked if they don't all get the highest marks since it's the basic price of entry to succeed in the luxury performance category.

    With unprecedented active and passive safety systems, augmented by superior handling and driver ergnomics (to prevent crashes in the first place), these cars represent paragons of safety.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    "Paragons of Safety"....I like that. and as time goes by I like to think the RL will continue to set the pace and become the "Paradigm of luxury performance! :D
  • hendjazhendjaz Posts: 155
    "Bottom line the RL aced all three tests its been in, and the A6 and M35 also aced the two tests they've been in."

    I believe this is true with the exception of the M35 which did not completely ace the side crash test. The A6 was given the double recommendation for front and side whereas the M35 received the recommendation only for the front test. As already mentioned, the RL has not yet been tested for the side crash but did ace the frontal crash.

    Notably both Audi and Infinit invited (which means they pay for it and have some confidence for the results) the immediate testing for the side crash test. Since the RL and many others have not yet been side tested, Acura presumably did not invite the early testing nor wish to pay for it.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    The RL was tested by the (NHTSA) back in Dec. for both frontal and side crash tests and received their highest ratings. More recently the (IIHS) tested the RL for frontal only and the side crash testing you say "Acura presumably did not invite the early testing nor wish to pay for it." You are saying a manufacturer can select which tests they want to take depending on whether or not they want to pay for them?

    I wonder if anyone has an opinion on which agency is more credible or carries the most weight. The government or the insurance industry?
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    "The government or the insurance industry?"

    You mean who's the bigger crook? :P
  • hendjazhendjaz Posts: 155
    JJ, Here is a excerpted quote from the Insurance Institute"s 7-17 press release about the Audi/Infiniti test results that is on its website:

    "Audi and Infiniti requested the front and side tests of these cars, and the Institute's policy is to grant such requests if a manufacturer provides reimbursement for the cost of the vehicles. "

    Evidently a manufacturer can expedite the testing if they pick up the costs of it. Otherwise that testing will happen later or maybe not at all as there seems to be a number of vehicles that have not yet been tested for the side crash. The press release notes that the Audi is only the fourth vehicle to get its "double best pick" (for front and side) while the Infiniti gets a single best pick, the same as the RL at this point since the RL has not yet undergone the side crash test.

    No idea which organization's testing is more reliable/credible.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    "You mean who's the bigger crook?"

    Well I'm not going to go there, since I am a Veteran and also worked for a major Insurance Co.
    (Why do I get the feeling you are really from say... Chicago and established residency in Canada about 1967. (Just Kidding!)
  • cstilescstiles Posts: 465
    It's not even close.

    I've had the pleasure of meeting and spending time with Brian O'Neill from the IIHS, along with visiting his test sites on two occasions. There is no question that IIHS is substantially ahead of NHTSA. O'Neill is passionate and almost crazy about safety. Ths same applies to his second in command--Adrian Lund.

    Especially with Bush in charge, NHTSA's funding is behind that of the IIHS, thanks to the insurers ponying up some big dollar support. IIHS's philosophy is to continue to push the envelope with testing methodology, so they force carmakers to progressively increase their own investments on behalf of safety. I wouldn't exactly compare O'Neill to Ralph Nader, but there are some similarities in terms of their tenaciousness in pushing for safety. Safer cars mean lower costs for insurers---so the industry has a vested interest in funding IIHS's mission.

    IIHS is ahead of NHTSA in so many areas it isn't even close---offset barrier testing at 40mph vs. non-offset testing, rollover methodologies for SUVs, head restraint standards, side impact protection, anti-theft technology, and even improved automotive repair standards. IIHS is also directly connected with testing completed in other industrialized nations around the world, and it is a leading member of RCAR (Research Council for Automotive Repairs). IIHS does not work with other governments. Although he won't publicly admit it, Dubya is not a big fan of NHTSA because it's efforts ultimately add costs to business.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Now let's not get any further into things that are not specifically RL related, okay?

    Back to our subject...
  • hendjazhendjaz Posts: 155
    Pat, I believe cstiles response and our brief discussion of the crash test results is very germaine to the RL and its direct competitors. We are looking forward to the Institute's side testing and results foe the RL. Since the RL had only been fully tested by one of the two testing organizations, it is a legitimate question as to which of the organizations might be more credible. I for one welcome opinions on this as most of us have little knowledge other than reading the test results when they come out.

    Here's hoping for an RL "double" when it is finally tested in the all important side test by the Institute. Then it will match the A6 and exceed the M35.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    This is not the place to debate IIHS vs NHSTA and it's not the place to get into the political forces behind those agencies.

    Our subject is the RL sedan. We have a News & Views board where in depth examination of the crash testing methodology is appropriate.

    If you or anyone else wants to discuss this further, let's take it offline instead of continuing to keep this discussion off-track.

  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    I would agree not to extend this subject as pertains to the comparison between agencies but cstiles information was excellant and did lend credibility to distinguishing the DIFFERENCE. And like hendjaz look forward as we all do to the results of the RL side crash tests with IIHS.
  • dibdib Posts: 9
    I got my RL on April 1. The manual says change the oil every 7500 miles; dealer says they know what Honda recommends and they respectfully disagree and recommend 3750 mile intervals. When I pushed the service manager, he said he would ignore the message lights and let the dealer's computer dictate what to do.

    He also says that for the TL, Honda recommends changing the oil but not the filter (!) at 3750 mile intervals and both at 7500 mile intervals which he thinks is ridiculous.

    This is a very reputable dealer.


    David B in CT
  • acraandyacraandy Posts: 8
    1st off: You can not change the oil too often, however you can wait too long.

    That being said:
    If the oil says 7500 miles and you follow that guideline to the number I believe you will not have any issues. If you do have an issue, you will be able to produce evidence that you followed the guidelines.
    I (and others at my dealership) use the 7500 mile intervals as a feature that seperates the RL cost of ownership from other cars in the same price range.
    You are basically dealing with a disagreement between the people who designed, engineered, manufactured, tested and warranteed the engine and the person who sells it. I tend to agree with the former.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Your dealer is full of it. He wants to pad his profit margin. I would not patronize this dealer because they have shown that they do not have your best interest at heart. :mad:
  • delmar1delmar1 Posts: 744
    From multiple dealers, I heard that the first initial oil change should not be performed until the first owner's manual change interval. That point is clearly indicated in the section regarding the break-in of the car.

    The reason is that the first initial oil fill at the factory includes a special oil additive to aid in the break-in of the engine.

    ??? Anybody have knowledge of that?

    Also...I agree to the concept that oil is cheap enough to change on a more frequent basis. I subscribe to the 5k it is more frequent than the 7500...but not where it will not consume too much of my time.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Your information is exactly right on the FIRST oil change at 7,500 miles due to the special additive to that break-in oil. After that it really becomes a personal choice comfort level under 7,500 and you'll get different answers from service managers and mechanics depending on their preferences. (I personally like to keep changing out the oil and filter more frequently than 7,500 miles. My 2nd change was at 10,500 along with a tire rotation.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    Interesting thing about oil changes. I owned a '93 Acura Vigor LS with a 2.5L 5 cylinder engine. It burned oil and I had to put a quart or 2 in between oil changes which were about every 4,000 miles. A great little car never the less and when I see them on the road now the driver is usually a young Hispanic male and the cars are flawless with after market rims and tinted glass windows. :)
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    My dad was a mechanic, and told all of us kids, if you change oil frequently, those Japanese cars will run forever. :)

    I am a true believer in frequent oil changes, especially when you pay so much for a nice car.
  • wiper noise


    I just got back from dealer's service. I purchased my RL one month ago. I took it in this morning for a "sit in" appointment for the wiper. The driver side wiper is squeeking loudly over the windshield (louder when the windshield is wet). They replaced blade but same problem. They washed windshield with solvent but same problem. They asked me if I wanted to wait while they replaced the entire assembly but same problem. (they thought the angle of the current blades to the windshield might be out of spec causing the vibration).

    The service manager is going to research with Acura engineering. I told him the blade noise is unacceptable.

    I have put nothing on the windshield (raindance etc) I have only cleaned with Invisible Glass cleaner

    Any ideas on what may be the cause.
  • I'm sick of Consumer Reports always bashing the RL. The RL was rated 9th of 13 in its class, with comments suggesting it is bland and that the controls are confusing. About the worst comment they could muster was that the turning radius was too wide. So what? If you look at the stats given for several cars side by side in the article, you can see that the RL was the fastest in the group (0 to 60 reported in the article at 6.9 seconds), the safest in the group, and was "recommended" by Consumer Reports. But despite the lack of any basis, they still claim it fails to rank with the other tested models. Consumer Reports has said the same things for every year it has tested the RL, yet the RL has nearly the highest resale value in the tested models. Consumer Reports is biased against the six cylinder engine, yet they barely comment now that AWD is out, and with 300HP and 0 to 60 in 6.9 seconds, why is the 8 cylinder engine needed? I love the car. This is my third Acura, following 2 Hondas. Consumer Reports has lost credibility with me.
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    This is my third Acura ... Consumer Reports has lost credibility with me.

    I have also owned three Acura's (two MDX's and a TL-S). I am in the market for a new sedan and have been researching for a while and been on numerous test drives. I find the RL styling bland and the control layout to be less than optimal. One of the things I disliked the most about my TL-S was its large turning radius; it was way larger than my MDX :blush: Turning radius matters to me.

    Regarding CR, I value their objective measurements as well as their subjective opinion - its just another research tool. Also I do not understand your comment about V8s - the entire comparison was V6s (all the cars were V6s) :confuse:
  • sgl1sgl1 Posts: 34
    Anyone know how to get the list of 540 voice activated commands avail on the RL? I can only find about 50 in the manual. . .
  • frisconickfrisconick Posts: 1,275
    I agree CR is a very credible organization, and a valueble research tool. If they don't like the RL, and you do, buy the RL. My impression with CR's analysis, is that they really like the TL as a much better value than the RL.
  • jjacurajjacura Posts: 808
    There was in-depth discussions on the Luxury Performance Sedan forum within the last week and I side with the credible bunch that don't put a whole lot of confidense in CR.

    You can put my Celestial Silver RL in the middle of a plethora rainbow pack of M35's and to me the styling of that RL blows away the bunch (Inside and out)! IMHO :)
  • msu79gt82msu79gt82 Posts: 541
    If one is looking for justification for what they bought then of course they will like the magazines that echo their own opinions and blow off the magazines that offfer a differing perspective :blush: For those who are seeking information, ALL the magazines offer that. Car & Driver, Edmunds, CR, etc are all useful information sources for those who are looking for information.

    Of course M lovers wanting their egos stroked will pan Edmunds and RL owners wanting an attaboy will pan CR :surprise: :shades:
  • satiresatire Posts: 71
    FWIW, if Consumer Reports confirmed the sky was blue, I would question them. Their sanctimonious attitude combined with their refusal to admit mistakes clearly indicates to me that their opinions are not worth the paper on which they are printed. Let them tell you which blender to buy but if you want information about cars, stick with the folks who know of what they speak.....Motortrend, Automobile, Car & Driver, Edmunds, et al. The car guys aren't going to tell you which hair dryer works best because they don't have the time to be bothered. Their focus is cars, cars and cars. And while the RL has not been an across the board hit with all of these guys, at least we have honest opinions based on knowledge and experience. With Consumer Reports we have to wonder if the test driver is heading back to the lab to find out which dishwashing liquid works best on grease and makes his hands feel softest.
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