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Jaguar S-Type



  • wshflwshfl Posts: 24
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,330
    As well you should.

    I'm having a similar awakening regarding the Mercedes C-series, having read their problems board on Edmunds.

    I have a Lincoln LS, built on the same platform as the S, & haven't had much trouble as I approach 100K miles in a bit over six years (bought new). It appears the Jag is not so dependable as its American cousin.

    BTW, sending a message in all caps is interpreted as shouting. As you don't have the car yet, you may want to save it for when you do.
  • wshflwshfl Posts: 24
    Thanks for the reply re: the "tragically flawed?" Jag.S.
    Still hoping for some positive experiences, particularly since my two American vehicles -- a Dodge and a Jeep ( not particularly loved by Consumer Reports) have about 200,000 miles each, without unusually high maintenance costs. Hope springs eternal! ( The caps. on the previous message were not deliberate).
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    I had MAJOR problems with my Jaguar S-Type! A sudden acceleration, for one, which resulted in a crash that could have killed me or someone else! Dealer couldn't reproduce it, so they said it never happened! But, IT DID!!!Of course, Jaguar Cars, the manufacturer agreed with Dealer! Neither will take back my car & exchange it. They want to STICK me with it, and STICK ME with all of the remaining lease payments for a car that I will NEVER drive again! Jaguar doesn't care about their customers or their safety. All they want is our money! They have made that very clear to me! I loved the body style of my Jag, and the XJs, but I will NEVER buy or lease a Jaguar again!! They advertise their cars as Jag-u-ar in their affected English accent, like they are only appealing to the upper class, but they treated me like scum! My experience with both Jaguar Cars and Jaguar Credit has been a LIVING HELL that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy!!!! (All "caps" were intended!) I had a Nissan with over 100,000 miles & never had one problem! My Jag had under 30,000 miles! Does that answer your question?
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Well, look it at from jaguar's perspective. If they replaced your car because you confused the gas and the brake, anyone could break their least at any time, returning a damaged car in the process.
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    Jaguar is only ASSUMING that I stepped on the gas pedal instead of the brake, because THEY can't seem to "duplicate" the problem during their 50 minute inspection or their 20 mile road test!!! Can't imagine why!!! Meanwhile, checking through NHTSA complaints, Jaguar websites customer complaints, and reading a book entitled "Sudden Acceleration" by Ralph Nader & Clarence Dutrow, there have been MANY legitimate complaints of unexplained sudden acceleration. This book, and also Anthony Anderson, an engineer, in his report, have many explanations for "sudden acceleration", relating to MANUFACTURING defects, computer malfunctions, electro-magnetic interference or noise, and cruise control malfunctions, etc. As you are aware Jaguar S-Types do NOT have an on/off swith for cruise control. It is permanently ON, but supposed to kick in only at about 30 mph. Mine was previously in for service because the cruise control DID malfunction. Maybe it did, again, & this time caused the sudden acceleration. Or, maybe it was electromagnetic interference. How come my favorite AM radio station ALWAYS screeches or gets extremely fuzzy, or goes off completely EVERY time I pull into this same parking lot where my "sudden acceleration" accident happened? It goes back to normal as I go away from the lot! There is an MRI Center and many doctors & dentists with X-Ray and other equipment right near where I had my accident. Electro-magnetic interference???? MAYBE!!! Hospitals have signs warning visitors NOT to use hand held radios or cell phones because they can cause hospital equipment to malfunction! Can't this also work in reverse, where this equipment can cause radio or a computer malfunction to visitor's things-- like to my car's radio or computer, causing my car to malfunction? Anderson thinks so!! And so do I. What if I'm RIGHT & Jaguar's WRONG? Even if the odds are 50/50, isn't it more prudent to get this car off the road than to just go with Jaguar's ASSUMPTION that I pressed the wrong pedal? (And I KNOW that I did NOT press the wrong pedal!!!) If I were in Jaguar's position I would NOT take the risk that I (Jaguar) just might be wrong, and that someone could be killed or very seriously injured. What is "money" compared to human life or suffering? Obviously, to Jaguar, "MONEY" is the ONLY important thing!!! Or, they would have just exchanged my car for another of comparable value! Their loss on my car would have been nothing compared to the lost sales they may suffer just from my friends & family alone. Until this, I had loved my Jag & would have bought or leased many more in the future. I was dreaming about someday owning a XJ8L My friends & neighbors had also admired my S & would be in the market for an S or XJ8 or Vanden Plas. Not after my experience! My friend loves his Vanden Plas, but now has second thoughts about leasing another when his lease is up soon! I am now in litigation with Jag. Free lawyer for me- but Should cost Jag some bucks(possibly enough legal fees to equal what it would have cost them to just have given me a different comparable car!) Hoqw STUPID of them to spend their money on legal fees rather on making a customer happy. Instead I am EXTREMELY UNHAPPY & word gets around!
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    "Jaguar is only ASSUMING that I stepped on the gas pedal instead of the brake, because THEY can't seem to "duplicate" the problem during their 50 minute inspection"

    No, they are not. They are assuming this, because if you readlly did have the brake pressed to the floor, the car wouldn't move forward. The brakes are MUCH stronger than the engine.

    Put yourself in _our_ position. Would you assume that an anonymous person on the internet had made a normal human mistake, or that something physically impossible had happened?
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    That might be true, IF the car operated as expected. How do you explain that when my foot was on the brake,at first I felt the normal brake resistance, but then, suddenly the brake pedal lost all resistance and just went down to the floor? I then put both feet on the brake and car still wouldn't stop. Both my feet can fit on the brake pedal. I most certainly did not have 1 foot on the gas & 1 foot on the brake! Especially since I use my right TOE on the gas and the Ball of my foot on the brake, and it was the BALL of my foot and then the BALLS of both feet that I applied to the BRAKE. I cannot reach the gas pedal with the ball of my foot, so I KNOW that the ball of my foot was on the BRAKE when I tried to stop the car! Also, I was so shocked that the car was not stopping that I LOOKED DOWN at my feet on the BRAKE to see, in fact, that I was on the brake pedal. It was easy to see this, because , when my feet went to the floor on the brake, it slid me forward, almost off my seat onto the floor, as I pushed down on the brake with all my might.I have spoken to several of my engineer friends and computer wiz people about this, and EVERYONE concurs that system glitches in cars CAN occur which can cause intermittant failures which are hard to duplicate=especially in the short term,like during only a 50 minute inspection or 20 mile road test by Jag! Again, I reiterate, what would the financial cost be to Jaguar to just exchange this car for another car COMPARABLE in price, versus paying attorney fees, since I sued them,(PLUS my attorney fees, if I win, & my lawyer feels confident that I will),PLUS a settlement or replacement car to me, if I win, PLUS lost future sales from me and my family, PLUS loss of future sales of my friends & neighbors who know of my accident and my dissatisfaction in dealing with Jaguar, PLUS loss of future sales from anyone hearing about this from people that I told! Wouldn't you say Jaguar would have come out better financially in the long run just exchanging my car for me???? If they felt it was a safe car,they could just sell it or lease it to someone else and it would be a win/win for all! Even if they lost some money on it due to it being in an accident, they would still be better off than paying legal fees + all this negative publicity, which could result in loss of sales. (car has been repaired by authorized Jag body shop & actually looks brand new now, plus parts are new, replacing 3 year old parts)
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Question: why do you not sell the car yourself?

    Why don't you trade it in on another car?
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697 -

    I wonder who wants it?
    Jaguar is so unattractive that they need to bundle it with a Land Rover sale.
  • 2003 S-type.....groans when I come to a complete stop..doesn't groan when I apply the brakes untill I stop. Any Ideas of what this is or how to fix it. I would like to know before I take it in.
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    I can't sell or trade a car that I don't own. Jaguar Credit owns it. I only lease it. That's why I can't understand why They are so stubborn about just exchanging it for another car, and then they can sell it or lease it to someone else if they believe it is so safe!
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    You can indeed sell or trade a car you have a lease on.
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    Yes, you can sell the LEASE, however, I am not familiar with the process. How does it work? Do they buyout your lease at the same price that you owe on the lease? Or, would they want it at a substantial discount? Then, the loss would be to me, not Jaguar! I would have to pay Jaguar the difference. Also, I would have lost all the money I was paying monthly on the lease while I was not driving the car during my claim with Jaguar Cars. I felt like Jag Cars was trying to drag out this claim so I would continue to pay the lease, while not putting any mileage or wear or tear on car.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Unfamiliar with the process? So you haven't even asked the dealer about getting out of the lease?

    Do you _want_ to be angry and upset?

    If your car is so low in mileage, you can sell it and use the proceeds to pay off the lease. You may well have money left over.

    A friend of mine had a leased BMW with low miles, and he did this exactly. He ended up with money in his pocket.
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    Of course I asked the Dealer about getting out of the lease!!! The dealer will NOT do it Jag Credit will NOT do it, and Jag Cars says they "can't" do it. Jag Credit OWNS the car, and has the Title to it, not me. Maybe your friend got his lease through a bank who loaned him the money, using the car for collatoral, but not taking title to it. Did your friend own the Title on the car? How could I sell this car if I don't hold the title to it?
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    You just said you're not familiar with the process.

    You don't seem to have interest in solving your problem.
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    If you are familiar with the process, then why don't you educate me and spell it out for me. Of course I am interested in solving the problem!! Obviously, I just don't know HOW to solve it! You seem more interested in badgering me then in trying to help me! Thus, I am beginning to suspect that you work for Jaguar!
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    There are lease forums here on this site. You can go and explain your problem of wanting to get out of your low-mileage s-type lease. There are several ways to do it.

    Car dealers will take a leased car as a trade in. Say they appraise the car at 40K and the lease buyout is $35K. They use the 5K difference as the payment on your new car.

    You can also find a private buyer. If it's like the above case, you and the buyer agree to $40K as the price. You go with the buyer to the dealer, the buyer cuts you a 40K check and you cut the dealer a 35K check. The dealer signs the car to you, you sign the car to the buyer. The dealer can also sign it right over to the buyer in some cases.

    There are other ways as well, such as Again, i suggest you ask on the leasing forums here.

    I think many on these forums would find the idea of my being a jag employee highly amusing.

    Good luck!
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    Thanks. I will check it out.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    You should scroll back, i edited my post after you responded. Sorry about that.
  • mylemon2mylemon2 Posts: 21
    I tried doing this lease-swap with my Jag Dealer. He refused to do it the way you described. He quoted me on a new Jag and then added on the balance I would owe on my old Lease to the quote he had given me! My new monthly payment would then be double the amount that someone walking in off the street would pay for that same new Jag! That's when I decided enough was enough! Time to sue!
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    That doesn't make any sense. He would stand to make a profit in the scenario i proposed.

    Did you ask what your current buyout is?

    Did you talk to another salesman? The manager? Another delaer?
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 4,330
    The scenario you proposed assumed that the vehicle was worth more (by far) than it actually was when you wanted to get rid of it.

    The reality is that as soon as the vehicle is driven off the lot (with a signed contract), the value drops by, oh say, 30%. Drive it around the block and try to sell it back to the same dealer you bought it (if you were buying) from & see what happens.

    Two words -- GAP INSURANCE.

    If none of this makes sense, that could be why you're leasing, or want to.
  • dhanleydhanley Posts: 1,531
    Not really. There's downpayments, and he indicated that's he's had the car for awhile but put almost no miles on it. He ought to be right-side up.
  • Any luck yet on this? I am taking my 2003 s type in tomorrow for the dealer to look at it. I just bought mine 5 days ago....
  • tb4metb4me Posts: 41
    Hey Ray,

    Don't know your age but in the late 70's early 80's there were conversion kits for a chevy small block into the jags. Many were done here in NJ. Was a trip to hear 350 horses of fresh SB in a Jag--ran like the dickens too!!!!!!!! and almost maintenance free.
  • tb4metb4me Posts: 41
    I'm new to this forum. I own a 2002 Trailblazer with over 160,000 on it and the TB forum here has been most helpfull. Truck runs well still..... knock on wood!

    I'm possibly looking to by a used S-Type in the 2002-2005 year range. Is there any thing that should worry me about doing so--as in inhert problems that continue to repeat? I understand that you can luck out and have no problems or get a lemon right from the start--been there already. But , I never owned a Jag before. Bunch of Toyos and Chevys and a couple of nissans.

    Any kind word would be extremely helpfull. Thanks.
  • wshflwshfl Posts: 24
    Back in July, I posted a message asking whether or not anyone had put 150,000 miles or so, on a Jaguar S type. Given the many responses as to the problems most people seem to be having, and no one having put 150,000 trouble-free miles on the "S",I must conclude that it is nothing but a "piece of junk" -- over-priced, and under-engineered. It is a "money-pit" that I'll avoid.
  • jaxs1jaxs1 Posts: 2,697
    Well, many people buy or lease them and rid themselves of them before the warranty expires. So, what the car will be like at 150,000 miles is not something they need to think about.
    It is not car for driving 150,000 miles. If you can afford to buy one, you should be able to afford to dump it a 50,000 miles or earlier and get another new car at that time.
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