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  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    those wheels are the only brand name but non-OEM 16" wheels that fit my M3 also.

    but even after I bought them with winter tires I'd still have a front lip spoiler at most 3" off the ground. that won't work.

    so instead I'm taking my $1200 (or so) winter wheel budget and putting it towards a beater 4x4 for the winter. I've seen a few interesting things...

  • Hey, Brave: I guess I have to post three times to get a response! Oh well, at least you have a sense of humor: "RTFM...." I did RTFM and read that chains aren't advised for my car, but owner's manuals are edited by the lawyers protecting the corporate butt. I thought that creative guys like you and others had found an alternative to tire chains (e.g., "Spider Spikes," other than renting a 4WD or buying an X5) for those occasional trips to the snow. 'Guess I'll have to either give up winter driving, or buy a set of wheels and snow tires or that Jeep that erickpl suggested!
  • erickplerickpl Posts: 2,735
    I dunno... with those fat wheels on the X5, I'm not too sure how IT would handle in the snow!

    Actually, brave, with the tire size you mentioned, the xi I believe has a bit narrower wheels, though they are 17's. I didn't notice anything in my manual either (since they are all the same I think). I just don't look forward to having to add chains or spider spikes or anything like that to all 4 wheels, so I have my Jeep Grand Cherokee ready to go.

    I'm just looking forward to GETTING some snow or rain. We haven't had rain since April or May and everything is SO brittle.

  • wondering if the xi's ground clearance is higher than the RWD's because of that...
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,317
    Tire size aside, I believe the Xi suspension is higher than the RWD. I remember reading somewhere that it is .6" or .9" higher.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Let me try mine another way. Has anybody seen the 2002 red? Does it look more rust colored than red? If not, what the heck was that metallic rust colored 325i I saw today?
  • nerdnerd Posts: 203
    My wife's 2002 325Ci is electric red. The color literally screams RED. There is no rust (say, brownish) tint to the color. I can't see any hint of orange (like a former BMW red) or even blue (like some reds). I can't figure what color you saw; the electric red is the only color in the red spectrum in the 2002 brochures. I wonder if you saw a completely new 2003 color.

    I think the electric red is terrific, especially with the natural brown leather interior in my wife's car. I have found it an easy color to keep; it doesn't show dirt.
  • skobolaskobola Miami, FLPosts: 207
    Postoak, I believe that what you saw is Sienna red, that one looks kind of rust-ish...
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    ive run across a 1999 E36 M3 coupe Silver/Grey with only 19k miles.It is in perfect shape,. Edmunds shows 28-32k tmv does this sound about right ? And does any one have any advise other than a good check up ? im not as familure with the E36 line.

  • ccotenjccotenj Posts: 610
    yea, i hear ya about wanting to do it yourself... actually, mine came in pretty decent shape (got 'em off a guy in california), but between me and mrs. ccotenj, we've put a hurtin' on them...

    hey, i should be encouraging you here, at least you are getting winter wheels in the first place...

    colin, i still have that 84 seville sitting in my driveway if you want a beater... :)

  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Okay, so I saw Sienna Red -- but they made the 325i in that color only in 2001, right? So what I thought was a new vehicle (because it had paper plates) was actually one that had just been purchased used. That would explain the facts, so I guess that must have been the case. Thanks.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,317
    I have seen this color before on a 325Ci SP with Black interior and I thin it looked sharp. It is deinitely an "older" car.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • locke2clocke2c Posts: 5,038
    I have a '95 M3.

    Learn about the E36 M3 here:

    (adobe acrobat reader required)

    28k-32k sounds fair for that car on paper. many of them are in very good shape, mine certainly doesn't look like a 7 year-old car!

    In fact if it's in very good shape, it could easily command significantly more than $28,000 in most parts of the country.


  • On the Meet the Members board there's an article on the history of the 3-series posted by Karen. At the end there's a couple of paragraphs on the M3. I'm sure you'll find it interesting. Here's a clip from it: "M3 was muscular, refined and just a bit menacing--a frat boy who's both the smartest kid in school and the greatest steroid abuser." Sounds like a bad boy to me, lol! Congrats on ordering those 333 ponies ( whoosh! ), hope all goes well.
  • 1pierce1pierce Posts: 284
    That "rust" you saw was definitely Sienna Red. Pretty rare, although I saw one once here in Pgh. Kind of neat for the fact that it is rather novel.

    As Nerd said, Electric Red (like my 325i) is RED, it should be, no ifs, and or buts about it.

    (Even though I actually liked the old Bright Red, with its hint of orange, a little better).
  • 1pierce1pierce Posts: 284
    for the first time this weekend. I believe you can't really appreciate the beauty of a car until you hand wash it for the first time. That red car has so many character lines, subtle sheet metal breaks, and curves, its a work of art. The black lines, tires, and hint of chrome on the grille just make it perfect.

    After I dried it, I kept walking around it, admiring it from every angle. I couldn't help but think - with a car like this for excitement and gratification, who the heck needs a mistress.
  • 1pierce1pierce Posts: 284
    I have one small problem with my new car, maybe you guys can help.

    When the temperature is hot (above 80 degrees), and I put the back left window down, the window makes a snapping noise when I put it back up - as it seats in the top seal. Its like something is catching in there. I can see the top of the door move very slightly when I hear the snap, but I can't see anything for the window to catch on when I look up into the seal area, or any marks on the window.

    This only happens when its hot and the car has been in the sun - not in the cool morning, or when the car has been sitting in a garage.

    Anybody else have this problem, or ever heard of this happening? I've only had the car for two weeks. I'd hate to have to take it in for service already.
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    If you try this you will lose your station settings. I found this out accidentally while trying to adjust the speed volume as suggested, I believe on this board. The way to adjust the speed volumne is by pressing the music note on the left side for a few seconds, not what I'm describing below.

    1. Start with car off, key out of ignition.
    2. Insert key, turn to accessory.
    3. Turn on radio.
    4. Press the m button on the right for 15-45 secs (never timed it) until you see a SN XXXXXXXX in display.
    5. By using the plus and minus, 1-6 buttons, and left right arrows, a number of settings can be adjusted.
    6. Does anyone know what this stuff means?
  • You found one of those secret modes. This is used to change your radio setting. The Nav has a couple of those. The mode that you entered comes in handy if you pick your car up in Europe. It allows you to change the radio setting for Europe. There are some other things but I have no use for them.
  • postoakpostoak Posts: 537
    Yep, it is very rare. I have only seen one other and that was in Munich. I chalked it up at the time to being a color available only in Germany. When I walked the dealer's lot a couple of times last year I never saw a single one.
  • khoonkhoon Posts: 85
    Thanks to Edmunds and Carpoint we all know the invoice price for the US. Where can one get the invoice price for ED? Is there a site/source that shows the Invoice/Retail breakdown of the 325i with the option equipment?

    Tx. in advance.
  • khoonkhoon Posts: 85
    Thanks to Edmunds and Carpoint we all know the invoice price for the US. Where can one get the invoice price for ED? Is there a site/source that shows the Invoice/Retail breakdown of the 325i with the option equipment?

    Tx. in advance.
  • I am considering purchasing a 330i and am wondering about changes for the 2003 model & when a model update will happen.
  • Go to for the ED invoice priciing.
  • Model update started 2 weeks ago, the first 2003s are now finished and on the boat to America.

    The changes are very minor and you can go to to find the threads by Jon Shafer that lists the few changes in detail.
  • khoonkhoon Posts: 85
    RABRIGHT Thanks for the response.

    How much over invoice are dealers selling 2002 stock these days?
  • Dealers in Atlanta are selling 2002s for 4-5% over invoice right now.
  • czzczz Posts: 1
    After a loooooong wait (my '93 Accord with 170k will not die), I placed an order for a 325i (SG, black 'ette, SP, MR, HK) for ED delivery in the middle of November. Thanks to all for the great advice over the last 18 months or so.

    One question, I haven't seen written much about. I really don't like the Type 96 wheels that come with the Sport Package and would much prefer Type 68 or 44. My sales rep, who's otherwise been great to this point, has been unable to help. Is there any recourse via Special Order? Gurumike are you out there? As a long shot, would the Munich BMW dealer (Nederslung or something to that effect) be interested in a trade plus cash?

    Thanks for any advice.
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