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BMW 3-Series 2005 and earlier



  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698 - 7154

    I don't agree with some of the analysis but it's a good reference point.
  • joes230joes230 Posts: 94
    I don't have a bike now but have had several in the past. A modern liter-class sport bike has unimaginable power. You have never experienced anything remotely like it on four wheels. E.g. a Suzuki GSX-1300R can do 0-60 in about 2.6 sec, and the 1/4 mile in about 9.8 sec. The raw power you feel, the acceleration force is just mind-bending.

    Beyond accelerating fast, it's also pleasant to ride on roads and distances appropropriate for the type of bike, weather and your equipment. Some bikes are better for cruising, others for long trips, others for "canyon carving".

    Of course nobody should start with a super bike but even a mid-range sport bike feels much faster than a car. Start with a modest bike, not a super bike. If you haven't ridden before be sure to take a safety class:
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 64,637
    Just one point.. The person that started this particular discussion WAS concerned about resale when he sold the car. If he didn't care about that, then obviously, the answer is... don't get the sunroof. It WILL negatively affect the value of the car on resale without it.



    Prices Paid, Lease Questions, SUVs

  • white6white6 Posts: 588
    I seem to feel a trend here... buy what you want now and enjoy it! I guess my real question, in terms of the moon roof, is not whether it will decrease trade/resale value (I know it will) but how much (more than the $1,050 price up front?) and whether it will make it a "white elephant," when and if I go to trade/sell. If you can still sell it and it decreases resale value by $1,000 to $1,200, then you haven't really lost anything, financially, since that is how much you saved to begin with (including the additional interest you would pay on that extra $1,050!). The "white elephant" is something I am dealing with now in relation to my "trade." I have a 01 Firebird Formula that I bought new; fortunately, I got a really good deal with all the rebates, etc. $26,000 sticker price; paid $20,800. Thing is, it doesn't have t-tops or leather and it's an automatic. I wanted a hardtop car and it took me a lot of searching to find it. Seems the hot setup with a car like this is the 6-speed manual transmission and t-tops with leather being mentioned by several callers. In fact, the local BMW dealership all but told me they aren't interested in trading at all! Called it an albatross. The car is flawless and only has 7,400 miles on it! So, perhaps I'm being a little over cautious about optioning the bimmer correctly; but at least now you know why.
  • joes230joes230 Posts: 94
    I don't see the difference between deleting the moonroof (negatively affects trade-in) and deleting the automatic transmission (also negatively affects trade-in.)

    On BMW discussion groups you frequently hear people say "get the manual", "it's not fun without the 5-speed", etc., etc. Yet this negatively affects trade-in. At my dealer they have zero e46s on the lot with manual transmission -- none. Obviously if you trade-in your manual transmission e46, it's an "odd beast" relative to the cars the dealership usually handles.

    Despite this many enthusiasts willingly embrace the manual transmission, even with the negative trade-in factor.

    The situation seems similar with deleting the moonroof (for those who don't want it). In both cases you save over $1000 at purchase price. In both cases you decline a nice feature that the majority want, but that you for personal reasons don't want. In both cases you take about the same hit at trade-in time.

    If +/- $500-1000 at trade-in time is that important, then don't buy the car with the features you want -- ask the dealer what features *he* wants at trade-in and order that. If those options cooincide with what you want, you're fortunate. If not, for the next several years while you drive a car not equipped to your liking, you can console yourself saying "at least I'll get another $500 at trade-in time"
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I just noticed that this "3-Series" discussion was on the "Most Active" list, and yet I have not seen any activity in my subscription list. When I checked, I found that my 3-Series and my 5-Series discussions had been deleted. I thought this problem had been cleared up about two years ago. Anyway, I am about 150 messages behind. Sheesh!

    Best Regards,
  • dave330idave330i Posts: 893
    I ended up buying an Acura TL over the weekend (it's not for me), and noticed a few things after driving it for a few days. It's a nice, boring car. A great commuter car. No idea why anyone would cross shop between it and a 3 series. Two totally different cars.
  • div2div2 Posts: 2,580
    Well, look at it this way: there are some idiots who drive the 3er and TL back-to-back and honestly cannot notice any difference. So they buy the TL. Acura has therefore prevented one moron from purchasing a BMW. Thank you, Honda!!! ;)
  • CrevelsCrevels Posts: 37
    I completely agree. I had a 2000 Acura TL and now have a CPO 2002 330Ci and you are right, the Acura is a great boring car. Two different cars, two different purposes.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Shipo, the original cause of that problem has indeed been fixed. If it happens again, drop by the Ask the Town Hall Hosts discussion in News & Views and report it.

    Very odd.
  • jb_shinjb_shin Posts: 357
    I had the same problem as Shipo did, with the 3-series and the 5-series board.
  • seivwrigseivwrig Posts: 388
    When I started shopping for a car. The TL-S was on my list but never got to test drive stage. Though loaded, it just seemed boring. I test drove in the following order: M-B C240, Audi A4 1.8T (no 3.0 Quattro was avaiable at the time), BMW 325i, BMW 530i. Never test drove the Volvo S60 5T, Acura TL-S or Infiniti I35. After test driving the BMWs, it seem like a waste of time to test drive anything else. I went out looking for a luxury car but went with fun to drive. The TL, I35 and ES300 are commuter cars, not sport sedans. The major automakers in the entry luxury or sport sedan range have cute commercials, but the goods are not always delivered.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    jb_shin, shipo, anyone else affected - please go to that discussion I mentioned and give as much detail as you can about when was the last time you had new messages, etc.
  • ddblueddblue Posts: 117
    Hello fellow Bimmerites/philes/geeks. It's been a little while since I posted here. I've been stuck on for a few months. I wanted to post an update on what's going on w/ my 325Ci.

    1) 29,795 miles and each one driven w/ a big smile.
    2) At about 25K (2nd oil change) BMW of Sterling, VA found the front brakes to be under spec, so they replaced the rotors and pads under warranty.
    3) Upgraded the ECU with Autothority in Fairfax, VA. Added 12-16 HP and 14 lb ft. of torque. VERY noticeable and the car pulls like a 328. Sweet. With my Autothority CAI, I'm just over 200 HP.
    4) Purchased 18x8 M-Parallel wheels and Kumho Ectsa MX 235/40YR-18s for the summer. Auto-X here I come!
    5)The engine note now is absolutely beautiful. Music to my ears. It has a pronounced growl (not Honda/Acura-like in the least) that is just intoxicating.
    6) Engine is smooth and power is consistent throughout the torque band.
    7) No major complaints about anything, and I have easily gotten over the lack of storage space.
    8) I still shut off the radio to hear the inline six.
    9) Using Meguiars Paint cleaner and Klasse All-In-One, coupled with Mother's Quick Detailer has been the magic combo. Son of a Gun and Lexol on the interior--perfect.
    10) I'm still in love.

  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,317
    dave330i, did somebody slip something into your drink? LOL! As long as you've still got your 330i!

    Brave1heart, The link you gave me came up as it cannot find server.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • max63max63 Posts: 73
    I helped a girl friend lease a 325 in 2001. Ever since that time the car has been constantly going into the shop (I've had a 330 for two years with no problems). Anyway, the car had been making a weird noise and she brought it in again. They told her the tires were bad and all four would need to be replaced (18k miles) at her own cost. They told her she was responsible for checking the tire pressure even though they gave the car a clean check up two months ago (Including tire pressure). I guess she called the NJ number for customer service and that guy gave her the business. Do anyone know who she could call and do you think she should have to pay for tires? Let me know!
  • max63max63 Posts: 73
    I forgot to mention, they told her the tires over inflated.
  • sirtigersirtiger Posts: 38
    I was considering buying a TL-S and a few other makes. Though it has a lot of hp, there was a lack of excitement inside & out.

    Then I remember driving my uncle's brand new 1992 535i in Hawaii. There is no car like it in terms of sportiness and refinement. I went to visit him last year and his car has 8K miles on it (no place to build high miles on a island & he has many other cars); it is still as great as I remember it 11+ yrs ago! I have to admit, since driving my baby for the last few months, I may be a BMW lifer.
  • zhangqjzhangqj Posts: 15
    Shipo, I was wondering where you have been (not travelling to Taiwan again?). I have the same problem, got dropped out of 3 and 5 series boards. No biggie, just re-subscribed.

    I want to add a little to the options/re-sale value discussion. Personally, I would choose Navigation over sun-roof. Currently we have both (TL). I have found that the sunroof has been open on about 5 out of 365 days even in California, whereas the navigation system is used on about 360 out of 365 days. I also use to hate leather back in Jersey (cold in winter burning hot in summer), but not feel too bad now in CA. Still I could care less about leather seat on a used car, price is the most important. Manual transmission does seem to sell less well. Seems old. I once had a conversation with a BMW salesman about manual vs auto. He seemed to blame women, claiming that he had seen "many guys who told me they wanted manual, then as soon as wives showed up, they wimped out. Nowadays, family decisions are made by wives, etc. etc.." :-)
  • sirtigersirtiger Posts: 38
    I have to admit, I am one of those people. I was leaning on the 5 speed until the wife... now I have the step... sniff sniff.... :(

    I think I need to get rid one or two of my toyotas first and get a M5 so I can pass the 5er to my other half..... hmmmm.....
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    Generally tires are never the auto makers responsibility. Generally with all auto makers warranty claims on tires have to be taken to the tire manufacturer. If in fact the tires are at the end of their life due to over or under inflation there is not much you can do with getting BMW to pay IMO. Even at the point of time the car was taken in and the tires were deemed to be within normal pressure. Even if the tire issue was due to misalignment, I don't think there is much you can do. I suspect your only chance would be to prove a defect in the suspension contributed to the tire wear.

    Maybe chalk this up to experience, and keep your next set inflated properly, if that is indeed the issue. Go to one of the discount tire shops or even on-line to for example.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152

    Nope, not this month anyway, although I did Paris a couple of weeks ago. ;-) It does look like I will be doing Taiwan again in the June/July timeframe, and again sometime around October. Hmmmm, let's see, 4 trips to Taipei (4 x 16,290 = 65,160), a trip to Paris, another London, add in a handful of domestic trips, and I might have my first (and hopefully only) 100,000 mile year this year. Fortunately, Northwest/KLM flies everywhere I have needed to/will probably need to go this year.

    Manual transmissions and wives...

    Fortunately my wife LOVES driving a manual transmission, so much so that she is still threatening to break my other leg now that I am driving my 530i 5-Speed again and she is back in her Caravan. I am still trying to get her to opt for a new 525iT 5-Speed instead of a new Caravan, but I suspect that the space/utility of the van will win out in the end. :-(

    Best Regards,
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,317
    You're a smart guy though. If anybody could figure out how to swap a manual transmission into a Caravan it is you:)

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • brave1heartbrave1heart Posts: 2,698
    Good to hear from you. I'm very surprised to hear about the chip - I thought that even Dinan and Jim Conforti couldn't eke out any HP gains and Authotority goes for double-digit gains?!?
  • leenelsonmdleenelsonmd Posts: 208
    Unfortunately you will go nowhere with complaints about the tires. I doubt the tires are the cause of your problems, and it is very possible that they need replacement even at 18k miles. It is sortof one of those "true, true, and unrelated" facts. I also doubt that over-inflation ruined them, but I imagine it would depend on the severity of the over-inflation. It is highly unlikely that BMW checked the pressure at the last checkup. They probably said they did, and just eyeballed it -- if they look low they would have noted it. Checking tire pressure is something that every car owner should do at least once or twice a month, but no one does. At least 15% of the vehicles I see out driving around have underinflated tires that are obvious to the naked eye. Sorry to hear about all of the problems with the car -- that is a real shame.

    FWIW: I have less than 12k miles on my car and already need to replace all 4 of my tires.
  • ddblueddblue Posts: 117
    Brave. Good to be back. Thanks. Yes, I had been searching high and low for something to make up for my lack of displacement (Car Viagra, if you will). Autothority was working on an ECU upgrade last year, but they felt it wasn't up to par. So waited until this spring to release the new one. I talked to Ali there, and he said the ECU upgrade would definitely make a difference. True enough, it did. I can even make my Dunlop Wintersport M2s chirp between 1st and 2nd now and the car moves more quickly in 5th gear. From 70 to 100, it's even more responsive.

    How's your car doing? Are you planning on keeping it long term? Get me up to speed on the latest.

  • dave330idave330i Posts: 893
    "dave330i, did somebody slip something into your drink? LOL! As long as you've still got your 330i!

    No, my parents needed a new car. The TL was the perfect car for them.

    leenelsonmd - I check my tire pressure almost everytime I fill the car. I even account for the hot tire/cold tire pressure difference by measuring while the tires are cold, then again at the station.
  • dave330idave330i Posts: 893
    I wouldn't worry too much about the resale. You're paying 35-40k on a car. Get the one you really want.

    couples - it's been my experience that most couples drive their car most of the time (i.e. he drives his car, she drive her car). Rather silly to get a step for those rare occasion she wants to drive. It's the same logic people use to get a FWD vs. RWD.

    Unfortunately, if you happen to be those rare couples who switch cars regularly, then teach her how to drive a manual (it's not that hard ;)), or get a step.
  • white6white6 Posts: 588
    You guys crack me up! I'm in the same boat! I may be using the old "but, honey, the 325 needs a manual since it doesn't have as much horsepower..." argument. She will like the $6-7,000 price difference, for sure. I've got my salesman searching for a 03 325Ci with 5-speed... we'll see what he comes up with. Otherwise, I may just opt for a 04 330Ci with the 6-speed and sport package! No, probably not. Wife will probably overrule. ;(
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    I check my tire pressure one a week. :) As well as my fluid levels.
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