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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • simmomisimmomi Posts: 11
    Does the ES330 have heated side mirrors? I've not seen anything to say that it does.

    Also, I read somewhere that if you push one of the seat memory buttons twice, this will cause the driver's seat to move all the way back. Is this true?

    Thx in advance...hope to be joining the ES ownership club soon!
  • nfjnrnfjnr Posts: 25
    I bought a set of front floor mats at Kmart. They are made by 1st Auto, are heavy duty vinyl and have big nibs on the underside to avoid slipping.They cost $15.00, and fit reasonably well. No need to do any cutting. Nice thing for me was they are clear.Works fine for me keeping the carpeted mats clean. Incidently, happened to see what looked like the same product but made by Car and Driver in Target, and they were $13.00
  • where can i buy mudguards 4 my ES330?
  • The ES330 has heated mirrors standard.

    As for mudguards, I can't find them. The dealer says that they're not available - which is a shame since the design of the wheel wells means that lots of mud ends up on the car. If anyone knows where to get them, I'd be interested.
  • I noticed that piece too and yes if lexus uses that from factory already it'd be paint friendly. Wonder if anyone tried that. It seems better looking than some of the door guards out there. Putting it on door edge also seems to be more useful than what's placed as std. right now.
  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    I would not recommend mud guards at all. Personally I think they are very ugly and look tacked on, as do most people I know. Most nicer cars don't have them because they look so out of place and ruin the overall look of the car. There is good reason why Lexus does not offer them.

    Even Honda/Acura, which had the front mud guards standard for so many years, have moved away from them. Part of this is because a lot of Honda/Acura owners complained and also over time they may vibrate which leads to rust.

    Also, I'm not sure what you mean when you say the design of the wheel well means mud winds up on the car. My ES's wheel wells are no different than any other car, and I have had no problems with mud and other debris sticking to the areas behind the wheels.

    But, if you must have the mud guards best of luck in your search.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    "notice the FWD Acura CL was dropped because of poor sales after only three years."

    Ummm, I recall seeing the first CL in 1995 or 1996 when I lived in Virginia. Acura/Honda has offered the CL for a long time with few changes. That may be why it stopped selling. The Accord coupe was a better buy with cleaner styling.

  • lenscaplenscap Posts: 854
    "Ummm, I recall seeing the first CL in 1995 or 1996 when I lived in Virginia. Acura/Honda has offered the CL for a long time with few changes. That may be why it stopped selling. The Accord coupe was a better buy with cleaner styling."

    The CURRENT Acura CL was dropped after three years. The CL's history:

    1/3/95 - Introduced as the concept CL-X
    3/15/96 - On sale; billed as a near-luxury coupe
    3/1/00 - After four years, redesigned model on sale; billed as a performance coupe
    Spring 03 - Acura annnounces CL will be dropped at end of 2003 model year

    The first CL lasted four years, a short time by car standards. The car's focus shifted from luxury to performance with the redesigned model. As I said, performance coupe buyers (especially for cars $30,000+) want RWD. That, combined with the fact the coupe market is not that big, is why the current CL was dropped after only a three-year run. Acura wanted to use the development dollars on bigger volume cars.
  • The delivered floor mats on rear don't have any hole to hookup and lexus does not provide hooks like the ones on the front floor, depsite the floor itself does have a ring hole to fix a hook. Anyone does something there to prevent the rear mats from moving around?
  • Do most of you have lexus dealers service your lexus? Can you share how they charge for 5K, 7.5K, 15K and 30K miles service to es3X0? I am seeing $100 for 5/7.5K and $300 for 15K. Sounds high or about right?
  • texas83texas83 Posts: 107
    Oh my god. How are you able to deal with such a horrible problem? I'd sell the car.
  • arungarung Posts: 8
    One of dealers I am bargaining said dealership charge adv money(LDA) which comes around 397 after all other charges.processing fees for dealers are different also (100-239)
    The I car price I am interested jumps upto around 32999 which comes to be 1600 over invoice before tax/tags and this is for Base +premium plus(as seen on
    what do you guys think.
  • No need to be sarcastic, unless it's just part of you. I saw ring holes on the rear floor and simply wonder why it's not used like the ones on front. The mats do move around esp. with kids. It'd be nice lexus did the same on the rear.
  • Does base 330 (non NAV/ML) still come with an 86-watt audio system like 300's? I am always puzzled why lexus did that. Lots of non-lux sedans come with std. audio of over 100 watts. With ML virtually non-separate from NAV, many buyers have to settle a lux car with just very basic audio. I guess other than driving itself, looks matter more...
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    It doesn't matter how many watts it has, just how good it sounds.
    However, I test drove an ES330 and the base radio will impress few. It sounds pretty mediocre at best. Maybe worse than the base stereo in the 2001 ES300.
    If you care about sound quality enough to inquire about it, you will not be satisfied.
  • I have several comments on the issue. First, you have to remember that the Lexus is about 3-6 db lower background sound level than most other cars. Call it 3 db which is probably fair when compared to an Acura TL or Infiniti G35. In order to get the same sound / background ratio, you'd need 172 watts in those other cars - just to be even. And that's even ignoring the fact that you're bombarding your ears with twice the noise levels.

    As for the sound quality, I'd have to disagree with s852. It's not a bad stereo at all. If you're a teenager playing your stereo at ear-busting levels, you'll be disappointed. If you're one of those audiophiles who pretends that he can hear the difference between $50 audio cables and $100 audio cables, you'll also be disappointed.

    But for the average Lexus owner, it's a nice enough sound system. Not world class (that's why they offer the ML upgrade), but certainly a nice, pleasant stereo.
  • I happened to test drive/listen one with ML and one w/o, and I have to say the difference is very noticeable. I'd bet most people would be willing pay a few $$$ to get the ML option along had they listened to both. I am not sure pure watt # can mean richer sound or it's just volume. Maybe the ML technology itself simply makes the sound so much enjoyable. You got to play CD or at least stereo FM to tell.

    The problem is that you can't get ML along. To get it you then have to dough out $$$$ to get NAV also. That is stopping many people from getting ML. I just think that a base audio for a lexus should be better.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    The better stereo should be standard in a luxury brand like a Lexus. The base stereo belongs in a Camry.

    Maybe the ML will be standard in the updated 2005 ES330 since the 2004 Acura TL now has a great stereo system standard and the 2005 ES will be getting a mild facelift and probably some new standard features.
  • rbrrbr Posts: 108
    I know its not listed as an option, but is there any way to get this hard wired into an ES330? I noticed that you can now get this feature on the LS 430, and I would think the wiring would be similar.

    Thanks in advance if anybody knows anything.
  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    Wouldn't call myself an audiophile but I do have gold plated plugs, and high dollar cables in my home system. In fact I've got about $5k tied up in my amp, preamp, and 2 speakers which is modest $ for serious audio guys, but maybe qualifies me as something more than a casual music person.
       Wife's 01 with the stock stereo sounds darn good to me. It has sharp highs and generous lows. I think the thing in the middle behind the back seat is a subwoofer (does the '03 have that?). What ever it is it can generate a clear bass able to vibrate the rear-view mirror (and my driver's seat). The sound is clear, sharp, and undistorted at all but the highest loudness levels. Suits me fine.
        I drove an 02 over-night last year while we were having service (you can't beat that for a loaner car). While I didn't have time to give it a thorough test, I did slide in a CD. The stock stereo sounded good but not like the one in our '01. When we bought the '01 the sales manager (straight as an arrow with me throughout the process) told me there was no reason to buy the upgraded stereo as the stock one was just as good. I'm wondering, did Lexus bump the standard stereo down a notch to ecourage an upgrade?
  • I suspect that there were significant stereo changes in '02 - since the entire car was redesigned. My '04 apparently has the same stock stereo as the '03 - and presumably the '02.

    I've been listening hard to my stock stereo. I wouldn't consider it a world beater, but it's adequate for the average Lexus owner. However, I think I want something with better highs and more solid bass. I'm thinking of upgrading the speakers.

    Does anyone know where I can find the detailed specs on my system (04 ES330 stock stereo). It looks like a 6 1/2" in each door, subwoofer on the rear deck, and tweeters in the front door. Any information on the details would be appreciated.
  • mrrogersmrrogers Posts: 391
    I checked on the Crutchfield website, and there is no listing for speaker sizes for 2002-2004 Lexus ES. The 2002 Camry with the JBL stereo option lists 6 1/2" door speakers and 6 1/2" rear speakers. Good luck!
  • hk2lahk2la Posts: 53
    Recently, I was crawling at 30mph on the freeway and felt a very very hard, jolting shift (the car was not otherwise shifting into another gear). It was such a hard jolt, it felt like someone hit my car. Has anyone had this experience? I am really starting to hate Lexus.

    Also, for L.A. locals, have you had any experience with the service dept at Longo in El Monte? thanks.
  • rparisrparis Posts: 368
    I hae owned several ES300/330 vehicles , and I think the stereo is mediocre at best. Certainly NOT what one one expect.

    The stereo in my RX300 is FAR superior; in fact no comprison.
  • kreativkreativ Posts: 299
    I've seen this brought up in the past, and word was the Japanese market ES (called the Toyota Windom) had the hooks for the rear mats while the US market ES didn't. Beats me why this is, but that was the explanation for why the ringholes are present but not being used.

    hk2la - I get a lunging sensation similar to what you described when stopped (e.g. at a traffic light) with the A/C on. It feels like I was bumped from behind by another car. It was attributed to the A/C compressor turning on and off.
  • texas83texas83 Posts: 107
    I was feeling the exact same hard bump, but after the software upgrade, I only slightly notice it. I still have problems with a slip and surge in slow traffic and on top of the hesitation delay sometimes I can hit the gas and watch the RPM's fly to redline like I've thrown it in neutral. The car goes no where for a while and I consider it dangerous. I've found an attorney who would like to talk with me hopefuly next week. It may be an expensive option, but I'm mad enough now to take it to that level. The Lexus Rep. in Atlanta told me the software upgrade would positively fix the problem. Now he says there never has been a problem, and dealers who claim there is are misinformed. It flat makes me sick because I bought a Lexus so I wouldn't ever incur problems like this. There's nearly two years of posts of complaints on the tranny problem, not to mention a specific talk site, and Lexus says it's all in our heads.
  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    One of the first things I do when I shop a car is slide a CD into the stereo. The car moves off my list if the sound isn't very good. One of the things we love about our '01 is the very nice sound system (standard Premium Stereo).
        According to reviews and specs on this site the '01 had a standard 195 watt system compared to the new version with an 86 watt stereo. Too bad considering you gotta cough up $6k to upgrade to the ML available only with the Navigation option.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    That explains why I remember the standard radio in an 01 ES300 I test drove sounding decent while the 04 ES330 I recently test drove sounds fair to mediocre.
    Maybe the ML stereo will move to standard equipment next year at the refreshening of the model or they will add some kind of reduced price "Value Package" including the ML stereo to spark interest as the ES330 moves into its final few years of this body style.
  • babs43babs43 Posts: 13
    I'm not a stereo expert, but when I test drove the 2004 ES 330 one thing I did notice was that the stereo wasn't the greatest sounding. I thought it was just me, but after reading the previous posts I'm thinking it's not just me!

    I do agree that the price to upgrade the stereo along with Navi is a little steep. I'd like the better stereo, but I'm not really interested in the navi.

    I'm also looking at the M45, and that radio stereo sounds much better to me. Any opinions?
  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    What "brainiac" at Lexus decided a middle of the road sound system is good enough for this car and that getting a good one should be combined with the Nav system for $6k? Somebody oughta get fired for that dumb idea.
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