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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • solara00solara00 Posts: 81
    I just realized how easy it is to spend someone else's money!! Sorry about that. I feel like the government.

    Anyway, if you have any specific questions about the NAV, I'd be glad to try to answer them before Sunday. The car I bought I plan on keeping for 7 or 8 years, so dividing the price by that many years didn't seem like a lot. But if you are not familiar with the area you are in, it really makes finding a car dealership, hotel, restaurant, a Home Depot, Lowes, Sears store, etc. very easy. You just punch in Sears and it will give you a list of every Sears stores within so many miles. It will tell you how far each is away, the direction from your current location and then a route to the store.
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    It sounds as though your dealer really wants to sell a car in a hurry. I think it is nonsense to say that only sales people can use a NAV.

    NAVs are not "important" in the sense that a rear view mirror or steering wheel is. It is whether or not you value a NAV. If you travel out of town more than a couple of times per year, a NAV would be very useful. If you live in a large metropolitan area and like to explore different areas, a NAV is very worthwhile.

    On the other hand, if you travel the same routes all the time, and seldom venture to unfamiliar areas, then NAV will probably not be worthwhile. If you live in a small to medium area, one that is outside the area that NAV advertises to work in, and you never venture out of that area, then NAV would be a complete waste of money.

    If you think you want a NAV, and you plan to keep the car for more than three years, I'd hold out for a NAV. If you don't plan to keep the car for three years or so, then you can always comfort yourself that your next vehicle can have a NAV if you want one at that time.

    Regarding your dealer's ability to find the car with the options that you like - I believe that it depends on the region you live in. In Southern California, for example, it is easy for dealers to swap cars with one another.

    I think it is dangerous to be rushed regardless of your situation. You are ripe for being taken advantage of regardless of whose ex-boyfriend he is. You are sure not to get a good deal if you rush.
  • thanks for all your imput. I live in Orange County (southern california - 20 million people) and I am moving to a new area San Diego. My husband says that maybe we should just find a new salesman since he doesn't seem responsive to my needs. I don't dive alot, but (you kmow, life if short and if you what a new toy (nav) you should treat yourself). If any of you think it is a good option I would value your imput. Thanks.
  • solara00solara00 Posts: 81
    I have spent many years traveling all of California. Living in San Diego OR Orange County....well, I wouldn't think twice about getting it. I've used the Hertz system in the Bay area, Sacramento, and all of southern California. It has been immensely helpful. I think the Lexus system would serve you well.

    Atoews point about how long you would keep the car is definitely something to consider.
  • I usually drive my cars for 5 to 7 years. Do you think the sales agent was being honest with navigation not being helpful?
    Do you think it was just too much trouble finding me a black garnet pearl color?
  • atoewsatoews Posts: 637
    You are in southern california and the NAV will serve you well there. I love my NAV and I can't even use mine all the time because I live in Ridgecrest, Ca. But it's great when I travel to So Cal. From your description of yourself, it sounds as though you really ought to insist on the NAV. It sounds as though you will keep your car for awhile and might kick yourself for not getting the NAV later. You don't sound strapped for cash. You are moving to a new area, and the NAV would definitely help you get "acclimated".

    There are SO many large dealerships in southern california that it is inconceivable to me that you would not be able to locate the car you want (with the exception of Starlight Pearl, a color I have only seen in Texas).

    If your dealer won't do it for you, then call the Riverside dealer, the San Bernardino dealer and the Cerritos dealer. They are huge and have huge inventories. You should not have to do this. Your dealer should do it for you, in my opinion. In fact, each dealer receives a list of cars delivered in their regions from toyota.

    When I purchased my car, the dealer did not have the car I wanted and I had to wait a couple of weeks for them to locate one. You have to decide whether the wait would be worth it for your color.

    Any dealer is going to want to make a sale in the smallest amount of time possible. If I were you, I'd tell the salesman the car I wanted, and make him find it for you.

    Definitely try or even the lexus site to get multiple dealers to give you a quote and see if they can come up with your car.

    Another note. If I were faced with having to make a choice between my first choice color with no NAV, and my second choice color with NAV, I'd sacrifice my preferred color for the NAV.
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    Wow 20 mil people in OC now? You got to have more Lexus dealers to choose your ideal car from. I got a feeling that you may not really need Nav much but you still want one. Nothing wrong woth that but it's really just a tool for certain purposes. Ask yourself: you have not used a car with a Nav for so long, have you thought often "would it be nice that I can have a Nav now to find a way to...."? Or do you hate printing maps in Yahoo..... It's really not that hard to figure out. Having a Nav in a car does give you peace of mind whenever you go, even if you don't really use it very often.
  • bjk2001bjk2001 Posts: 358
    Hi designergirl: Guess I asked about whether its worth it to get the NAV or not a few posts back. I live in LA and went to SD, Dana point 2 weeks ago. I peeked your profile says you live in Dana point. I have some friend they own Odyssey Nav, Acura TL Nav. They all like it. TL guy said he won't get another one without it, it helped him a few times on golf trip. I did have an Earthmate GPS hooked up to my Laptop I put in my Odyssey. It is pretty handy. I had to go to Wilshire district to take care some business today. I wasn't to sure where I was going so I turned it on it guided me pretty good. It also helped us while we were in SD two weeks ago. My GPS hooks up to my laptop so I could type in the address stuffs. Never used any NAV without a keyboard so not sure how easy it is to input address and stuffs. If you get a really good deal from your friend's friend, another option is to get aftermarket NAV system. Carmin Street pilot 2610 and Megellan Roadmate are two of the new ones on the market. I think I am going to get NAV when I purchase my ES330. Got to have new toy in a near luxury car.
    Good luck!
  • maxhonda99maxhonda99 Posts: 1,289

    You need to ask yourself some questions relative to the NAV system:

     WHat do primarily do with your car? By that I mean do you basically use your car for work purposes, errands, shopping, visits to friends etc.
    If it's primarily for these reasons, why spend $2K on a NAV system? It would be kind of a waste of money.

     Do you go alot of new places where you need directions to get to or a map? Such as on vacations with your car or travel for work.

    If so, the NAV may be for you.

    Remember the NAV is quite expensive for basically a electronic Map. Don't forget the updates get expensive also.

    The salesman is kinda right, NAV systems are very useful for people like traveling salesman and real estate agents. And I'm sure they are usful for people in other professions also or for people that travel alot by driving.
  • k124k124 Posts: 3
    sand mica?
    My DH has the avalon desert sand mica and I am buying a es330, and was thinking about the mystic gold, but is it the exact same gold as the avalon?

    Anyone know?
  • gambiamangambiaman Posts: 132
    Thanks for the info. I changed it today and it was very dirty, like most things easy to do once you know how.
  • pierapiera Posts: 8
    I'm gonna buy a 330 soon and have been doing a lot of research. As of NAV, here are some thoughts ( any comments are welcome)
    I 'm planning to buy either "Garmin iQue 3600"(GPS integrated in Palm) or "Mitac Mio 168" (GPS integrated in Pocket PC) instead of Lexus NAV. (anyone interested in them just Google them, I can not put a link here)

    1,it covers almost all the functionality (including voice guidence) as an electronic map.
    2,They are much cheaper than Lexus NAV.
    3,They are much easier to be upgraded (for new data) and with a much cheaper price when necessary than Lexus NAV.
    4,You can use it without driving your car, i.e. travel by air to another city.
    5,When you are driving, others (even in the backseat) can help you to use it if necessary.
    6, They work as a personal organizer as well.

    1,it's not intergrated in the car, so can not work as a nice display for other purpose like CD-player.
    2,If you live or travel to a bad neighbourhood area, you have to remember to remove the NAV when you leave the car.

    1, Bettery life is not an issue, since you have the auto kit (including the Car charger for car cigarette plug to cradle connector and PDA mounting holster)
    2,Mitac Mio 168 has a 3D view for the map, it's looks straightforward if you like it.
    3,I have never use any of the 3, all these come from the review and message board, any experience are welcome.

  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Some portable navs are good, but the particular ones you listed are far from the best.
    Routis 2004 for PocketPCs and Windows laptops or some of the dedicated navigation units and navigation/stereo combo units are nice.

    It's nicer to have the built in units if you're willing to spend the extra money for convenience.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    the built in units are harder to be taken by a thief who breaks into your car.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    If you use a PocketPC, you can just carry it around with you or stick it in the glove compartment and no one will be the wiser.

    I prefer the built in units since they are more user-friendly and have many more POIs (restaurants, shopping etc.) in the DVD based database compared to what fits on an SD card, but the price!

    If you already own a newer PocketPC, Routis 2004 software for maps and routing, plus a compact flash or Bluetooth GPS hardware unit to access the satellites will only cost $200-$300 or so for both.
  • mouseonlinemouseonline Posts: 47
    You are sooooo wrong.
    Just try all 3 and you will realize that the build-in NAV is so much more convenient to use.
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    Add a pro/con here:
    Mobil one, if good, means that you don't have to buy another car for $2K+ more on Nav.
    The PDA types are not touch screen, which is very useful when you are using it in a car. Plus, the screen is much smaller than the built-in one.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Routis 2004 for PocketPC is touch screen. The buttons are designed so you don't need to use a stylus.
    The screen is smaller than a unit built into the ES330, but big enough to read.
    If you load the Routis software on a laptop you can have a big screen if you want, but a laptop is not as easy to mount in a car and then you lose touchscreen functionality if you load it on a laptop. But the software costs about $90. You cannot expect everything for that price.
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    How much is Routis 2004+PocketPC+GPS receiver+adapters? And how do you keep all pieces 'stationed' in a car? Hey it may work out well. Let us know how you like it.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    I think it's a good deal if you already have or planned to buy a pocketpc anyway. If you buy a PocketPC for the express purpose of using it as a navigation system it can get expensive enough to where it is easier to start comparing it to a built-in nav system and avoid the extra work. - - - - Code=DE&Product_Code=RSSA&Category_Code=GS

    You need a PocketPC with 64MB RAM and both SD and CF memory slots, plus a PDA mount. The SD slot is for storage space to load maps using SD cards and the CF slot is for plugging in a GPS antenna.
    They make PDA mounts that use suction cups to connect to the windshield, or plug into cup holders or clip to A/C vents. You wouldn't leave it there all the time. Either you take the PDA with you or you hide it in the console or glove box when you leave the car. You could continue to use the PDA for other purposes (calendar, address book etc.).
    Then you need an extra SD card from 128MB to 1GB depending on how wide of an area you want to keep loaded.
    To hear the nav system commands over radio and road noise, you can either get a PDA mount with a built-in speaker or you can plug the PDA's headphone output into your stereo system with some kind of AUX input (You could load WMA or MP3 files on the PDA so you can listen to music through the PPC at the same time if you have enough space for that plus the maps you want to load.)
    If you use a laptop instead of a PPC, you could just load the entire US map onto your harddrive, but you will have a harder time getting the laptop mounted and carrying it around. You can plug the GPS antenna into a laptop with a CF card adapater for PC slots or get a USB GPS unit instead.

    They also make wireless Bluetooth GPS antennas that you could use with either a laptop or PocketPC (if they were BT capable) but they cost more and use batteries that will need recharging after use.
    The BT units are nice though since you wouldn't have to physically connect it to your PPC or laptop.
  • bjk2001bjk2001 Posts: 358
    Guys, I am using a laptop with earthmate GPS. it works fine for Navagation stuff. I have some friend using Carmin stand alone Nav system, it works ok. You have to remove it or hide it everytime you get out the car, it's like to remove car stereo face plate becomes an nuisance after a while. Not even metion plug in the A/C cord, then you haev to boot up the system etc. It is such a nuisance, most of the time I just don't turn it on anymore, a few times I need to use it while I was driving and system wasn't on then you go thru the whole boot up thing while you were driving. Highly DO NOT recommend that.
    Also, no matter where you mount it, dash mount, a/c duck mount, it doesn't look good like a factory unit. For the money I am going to spend for my ES330 $35K I won't put something UGLY on my dash board. Also keep in mind when its time to trade in your ES330 with NAV sounds more luxury. These are just my 2 cents.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    If you use the nav so often that you need to connect and disconnect it every time you go in and out of the car, then the built in system is more attractive. A lot of people only need to use the navigation once in a while and can't justify the $2000 cost for something they may use only need a few times a month at the most.
    A PocketPC doesn't take long to boot up like a laptop and you shouldn't be messing with it while driving anyway. Even most built in nav systems like the one in the ES330 block you from setting up routes unless the car is in Park.

    Resale is no justification. It doesn't make sense to spend around $2000 to get $500 extra resale value 3 years later. For people who didn't want the Mark Levinson stereo and were "forced" to take it just to get the nav system in an ES330, the cost is even higher.
    The massive depreciation on built-in nav systems is so severe, it reduces the car's residual percentage on a lease.
    For people who would use the nav system constantly and would have to keep removing and reconnecting a portable unit several times a day to prevent tempting thieves, the built-in system makes the most sense.
  • igibanigiban Posts: 530
    You can get Nav w/o ML now. BTW, did you look into one of these garmin or magellan self-contained mobile units? Seem cleaner than these PDA pieces.
  • 307web307web Posts: 1,033
    Some of the newer self-contained ones are good and easier to set up especially if you aren't very familiar with how to use a PPC or load software on it, but if you already own a newer PocketPC then the PocketPC-based systems would save a lot of money for a some extra effort in setup.
  • solara00solara00 Posts: 81
    On my Toyota Camry NAV system, which I think is similar to the ES 330 system, you don't have to be in Park, but you do have to be traveling under 3 MPH. Not much difference, but a little.

    At any speed - 65, 70, 75, whatever - you can select one of 5 pre-programmed memory destinations (e.g. your Home address), plus Hospitals, Police, etc. There is no speed limitation on those addresses and the system will automatically re-route you based upon the selection you make.

    I agree with you that the cost is probably hard to justify for most people. Since I usually keep my vehicles for 7-8 years I'm not worried about the depreciation. And my line of work allows me to use the NAV more than most people would.

    Plus having a portable system cluttering up my car is just not something I would like. I can't say how the Toyota/Lexus systems compare to others, but I sure like mine. It has been very accurate and very user-friendly.
  • ahnjahnj Posts: 3
    For me, a laptop/PDA based NAV solution was too clumsy for everyday use.

    There are significant advantages to a built-in NAV system. I made the mistake of purchasing my previous Lexus with the same line of logic as yours four years ago and have regreted it since.

    This year, I've tested out the NAV systems from Lexus, Volvo, Infiniti and BMW. Lexus' touch-screen based system is superior hands down. My background is in software, so I'm really picky about the NAV system's software and user interface.

    For 2004, ES330 has a new generation NAV system with upgraded POI database and faster routing speed. The system is still based on the proven Denso NAV platform.

  • sev6sev6 Posts: 26
    What are the updates to the 05 ES? By the way i'm new here.
  • sev6sev6 Posts: 26
  • randyr52randyr52 Posts: 19
    I recently bought a 2004 model ES330 and was wondering(rather backward, I know), when the new model with updated electronics and new body style is coming out?!?! I traded a 2004 Honda Accord EXV6 because I could not endure the HARD highway ride. But the electronics were OUTSTANDING!!!
    Having XM radio incorporated into the radio was really great.....this new ES330 does seem a little dated in that department. My other point is the slow shifting tranny, but I am sure that has been beat to death here. I love the ride and the quietness. Also does the treadwear rating of 140 translate into 28,000 miles? Saw somewhere you double the numbers and mutiply by 1000. Correct? Anyway, hello and hope we all can enjoy the Lexus "experience". We had a RX300 for 4 yrs. and loved it. Thanks and hello!
  • andy71andy71 Posts: 96
    Toyota Motors like to keep things under wraps until a month or two before release, so really we are all in the dark. The 2005 Avalon is rumored to get an all new 3.5L V6 rated at around 270 Hp. Again these are just speculation and certainly not etched in stone. If the Avalon gets a new 3.5 engine, I am almost 99% certain that the Lexus ES330 will become the Lexus ES350 to signify the increase in engine displacement. It is hard to imagine the Avalon getting a more powerful engine than the Lexus ES. Other options on the table could be XM satellite radio, gosh I love that. A mild refreshing of the exterior look will probably be in the cards as it is consistent with Toyota policy to update the looks in mid cycle.
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