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Lexus ES 300/ES 330



  • apakdapakd Posts: 2
    i am thinking of buying a lexus es 300 2002 but iam not sure if the new curtain airbag is safe for children who are sitting in the back .If anyone have this information please let me know.Thanks a lot.
  • I haven't added up the comments on this forum, but it appears more people are disappointed with the styling on the 2002 ES300 than love it.

    I will reserve styling comments until I see the car in person. I was very disappointed initially, but have seen a few photos that show promise.

    My wife and I own two Lexuses (a 2000 LX470 and a 1999 RX300) and one Mercedes (98 E320). I couldn't disagree with you more ved3. I think everyone wants the same attributes in this vehicle - style, luxury, sport, quality, and value. That's what I want. I don't want a car that looks like every other boring car on the road or, as it relates to the ES300, like a Toyota Camry. I haven't seen the 2002 Camry, so I don't know if the ES300 looks like it or not.

    I assumed Lexus would design a car with stunning style. Since they haven't, in my opinion, I am less inclined to buy this car.

    Has anyone on this board seen this car in person. And, if you have, would you mind providing comments?
  • bcjacob1bcjacob1 Posts: 39
    I read the Edmunds article talking about the '02 ES300 nav sys stating this is 1 of the best systems out there....B/S

    We own a '00 TL w/ nav and '01 RX300 w/ nav. The TL nav system is mucheasier to use and has more info than the Lexus system. It's not even a close race.
  • tcpip1tcpip1 Posts: 121
    I know Acura uses the nav system made by Alpine. Does anyone know who makes the nav system for the new ES300/Camry?
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    Can anyone tell me why the prices for the ES300 have gone UP on I would think that now that the 2002 ES300 is out that the prices would have gone down. Their prices are approx. $1300 over invoice. Did a recent incentive expire or what?
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    The 2002 ES300 is not going to be out until October.
  • fredvh,
    I paid $500 over invoice for my Coach edition in March 2001. My dealer, Concord Lexus, told me invoice price was $30,600, not including destination. I called two other Lexus dealers to confirm invoice. Both said invoice was $30,600. So, I don't think they lied to me. I figure with the hold back, $600, I left $1,100 on the table. That's a little over 3%. I guess not to bad for a car in demand.
    The day I picked mine up, three other customers were picking up their new ES also. When I bought mine, end of first quarter, salesman was very eager to sell a car. I think the dealership was more concerned about moving volume rather than profit margin. They probably had ordered a "ton" of coach editions and wanted to move them so they could take advantage of "hold back".
    If the new design does not meet customer expectations, I suspect there may be a run on the existing ES inventory. Dealers may be less likely to deal. Don't know.
    I am glad I bought mine when I did. The new design does not appeal to me.

  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    Go to your local shopping mall and notice most of the stores that remain year after year specialize in something..."Nothin' but Candles" or "T-Shirts by the Billions"...the ones that are really successful aim at one market segment and do it better than anyone else. Automobile makers (at least the ones that do well) all do it too. If you want the best no-nonsense basic sedan you buy an Accord or a Camry. If you want the same thing for a bit more $ with more power and sport, you buy a Maxima. If you want the biggest, most beefy, nine passenger hauler, you buy a Suburban. Lexus is known for an absolutely smooth, plenty quick, very quiet automobile with great reliability, good resale, best-in-the-business customer service, and a prestige nameplate. They have a large customer base who wants just what they have to offer. I'd be surprised if they changed direction in 2002. The name of the game is finding your audience and doing whatever it is you do better than anyone else...exactly what Lexus has done so far with the ES300.
  • fredvhfredvh Posts: 854
    Thanks for your information. I suspect we will see better prices as the introduction nears for the new ES300(October according to s852).
    I too do not like the new styling but then again I do not like a lot of the new styles. They seem to grow on you after a while though.
    How do you like your new Lexus? Have you had any problems? What kind of gas mileage are you getting on it?
  • So far it's everything you hear about the Lexus experience. Dealer is top notch. 4200 miles, nothing has gone wrong. Checked mpg only once with about 1,000 miles on odometer, avg. 21.5mpg combined driving. That number should go up when engine breaks in.
    Couple other web sites you may want to check for invoice pricing. and
    Good luck!

  • tcpip1,

    Nippon-Denso makes the Nav system.
  • it includes a few pictures I have not seen elsewhere

  • jimxojimxo Posts: 423
    If you don't care for the styling cues on the ES, consider the 2002 Camry XLE with Navigational system.

  • lievliev Posts: 93
    the es 300 2002 styling has the sporty look to it. but i somehow think the old style though boring but has more class in its look.

    anyways, i got a question. i had a 5K maintenance service on my car. do i t need to follow the schedule maintenance at every 7.5K (i prefer at least an oil change at 5K)? i could just have an oil change at 10K and then major routine maintenance at 15K, right? anyone has any idea?
  • Don't know if this is proper board to discuss maintenance, but lets try until host tells us different. Lexus includes 1,000 and 7,500 check ups free. So take advantage of it and keep your Lexus under warranty.
    I to questioned the maintenance schedule. I change the oil on my cars every 3,000 miles, give or take a couple hundred. I called my Lexus service manager and asked about doing oil changes myself. He said that was fine, don't even need receipts. I'll keep mine anyway. He said the 15,000 marks were important to have done. (15,000, 30,000, 45,000 etc.)
    Does anybody else have comments on this?

  • mrrogersmrrogers Posts: 391
    I used to think oil changes at 3,000 to 5,000 miles were a good idea. Then I started reading Edmund's Town Hall topic,"Engine Sludge". Now I think oil changes at 3,000 to 5,000 miles are a GREAT idea. Every car, no matter how good, seems to have an achilles heel, and the RX300 is no different. The engine really needs clean, fresh oil!
  • hayabusahayabusa Posts: 26
    All the reviews I've read till now said nothing about the styling of 2002 ES being ugly or bland... In fact they call it daring, sleek, and stuff. I think you have to see the ES in person before judging it.
  • I too have read the "sludge" board. Only seems to have happened to several Lexus's. I know the people it has happened to feel it is a Manufacturer problem. I think somebody, oil change shop?, did not change oil or put sub par oil in engine. I have had several bad experiences by these oil change places. I do not trust anybody to touch my car. I do all my own oil changes. Only submit to dealer at 15,000, 30,000, 45,000 ect.
    How do you like your RX? I have a friend who owns one. He loves his.


    P.S. Host, I know we have digressed to sludge and maintenance on this board. Will try to stop. Did not intentionally take conversation this way. Just kind of went that direction. Thanks for your understanding.
  • You're just seeing things.

    Check out alot of other cars, the front wheel wells usually have bigger openings than the rear wheels due to the greater up and down travel the front suspension makes as opposed to the rear. Why does it do that? When braking a FWD car pushes all weight forward dropping the front suspension, and when accelerating, the weight lifts off of the front wheel. Second, it also looks like the front end wheel wells are much higher because front to back, cars typically gain height. By that I mean, the side glass has a higher ending point at the end of the rear side doors, and the mouldings and so on rise also as they go backwards across the car.
  • My wife's BMW has the bigger front wheel well opening also, but only slightly as compared to the rear.
  • You are right. I have deleted my message.
    I'm just trying to figure out what it is about the style that does not appeal to me.

  • Disclaimer: The following is subjective OPINION based on the limited knowledge of some nitwit who just wants to get his two cents in. If you have a problem with opinions other than your own, KEEP SCROLLING, DO NOT read the following.

    What were the Lexus designers thinking when they were designing the rear of the ES. I mean, were they tired or sleepy or something. It looks ripped right off the hind quarters of the first-gen Avalon. I mean, come on, the plebeian rear doesn't match with the haute front styling.

    Furthermore, i always thought that that luxury version of a car was supposed to look better than the everyday midsize version of it. The '02 Camry looks WAY better and far more balanced (Remember the disclaimer if you disagree with me)than the ES.
  • domettgdomettg Posts: 55
    Looking at the spy photo of the '02 Camry, I think the side view around the 'C' pillars looks like the current generation (1997-2001) ES300. I think it looks more sporty than the '02 ES300.
  • rickc5rickc5 Posts: 378
    I so dislike the style of the new ES.

    It looks like Chrysler designed it!

    I especially dislike the window treatment on the back doors, with the curved C pillars.

    That's my $.02.
  • shus226shus226 Posts: 9
    I have a 95 ES300 w/120,000 miles. I may need a rebuilt transmission soon. Right now it is running fine. Has anyone have their transmission rebuilt? At what mileage and how much? thanks,
  • Get the tranny rebuilt when it falls apart. Don't rebuild it just because of mileage.

    I'm sure a rebuilt tranny for a Lexus is expensive, somewhere in the $4K range.

    2002 ES300,

    I think people need to wait to see the actual car in person. I didn't find the ES300 to be good looking at first in pics either, but it's grown on me. And the magazines have all basically said the car is good looking and distinctive.

    I think one of the reasons alot of people don't like it right now is because the 2002 ES300 is a big styling departure from the 1997-2001 model. Alot of you people were expecting evolutionary styling like what happened to the ES300 from 1996 to the 97 model year.

    I welcome the new big headlights, it adds alot of character to the styling and those headlights create a family resemblance with the GS, LS, and SC430.
  • I agree with you, ripinrocket, on two points. Car will look different in person and "it" is starting to grow on me also. But, you can't deny first impressions are important. When I saw the spy photos of the new 2002 Camry, see post #1184, I liked what I saw. Granted the views are very limited. But, from what I can see, I like it. First impression was good. Not so with the ES.

  • Personally, it's just a car, so if in real life the car looks good, the first impression means nothing.

    The 2002 Camry looks pretty good too, but from the pics, the rear overhang looks too long and the rear Maxima-Neon-ish tailights don't do it for me. But again, I'll wait to see that in person also before passing judgement.
  • dardson1dardson1 Posts: 696
    For years the automotive design trend was to larger windows, lower "belt-line". That tends to make cars look lower and lighter. Now, it seems, the trend is to raise the "belt-line" with taller doors and smaller windows. It's very retro and things are beginning to all look like a 1951 Mercury. There are certain "truths" in design (and I happen to be in the design business) and something called the golden-mean (around since the Greeks) that describes visually pleasing proportions. Raising the visual center of gravity on the new ES300 makes it appear a little over-weight in need of a six-week low-cal diet. Glad I bought my '01.
  • Could not agree more. Also glad I bought mine in 2001.
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