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Mazda MPV



  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    My last 2 cars have been changed on the 7500 interval and were and are still running strong at over 120,000 miles. I really do not believe in the 3000 mile deal. My conditions would be considered severe also due to many short, stop and go, trips. So on my 1 year old P5 I've been following the 5000 miles severe conditions without reservation.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    My wife and I took a good hard look at the MPV this weekend at the Pittsburgh Auto Show. While I really like the van and understand it's one of the smaller vans (the main reason I like it), we were extremely disappointed in the leg room for the 2nd row of seats.

    We got in the front, adjusted the seats to our comfort then moved to the 2nd row. Moved them back as far as they would go and there just wasn't much room. In fact, we were both more comfortable in the 3rd row seats.

    I just wish they would have had a few more inches of travel, even if it was just with the 3rd row folded.

    We want the van just for the occasional 3rd row of seating, therefore that seat will be folded 90% of the time. But it concerns us that the 2nd row passengers won't have the legroom we'd like.

    So it's still on the list, but now other things are creeping in. Neither one of us wants a bigger van, so we're starting to decide whether the 3rd seat is that important.

    This big snowstorm hasn't helped matters either, since my wife is very concerned about her next cars snow ablilty. She's really starting to think small SUV now. Won't have the cargo capacity of the van, but will have 4 wheel drive and good legroom, at least in a few we checked out.
  • scannerscanner Posts: 295

    The 2nd row seat are made for kids. :-)
  • scannerscanner Posts: 295
    I vote for every 4 months, regardless of mileage.

    CR once did a test on oil changing intervals using NYC taxi cabs and found no wear differences.
  • scannerscanner Posts: 295

    Congrats on the new mini.
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Posts: 278
    I understand the concern with the leg space on the MPV second row...but if you look at other SUV's like a Toy HL that has NO THIRD SEAT, the legroom is not THAT much more, if at all...and you're paying for the SUV title. Frankly, I'm paying $4.5K less for this loaded LX than I would have for a Toy HL Non-LTD and I'm getting much more bells and whistles; heated mirrors, compass, temp, lower entry rear, fog lights, 6cd in dash changer, etc.
    I know cause I had an HL on order last summer but cancelled when I lost my job at that time.

    I've lived with a DC shorty (second row tight) for 9 years and the MPV actually has more legroom in the second row than my old DC did.
    It's all up to what you want of course; small SUV's may not handle THAT much better in snow anyway. I never have been stuck in snow in MN. with 13 years of mini-driving!
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    There is no doubt you get a lot for the money. Which is what started us in the MPV direction in the first place. Why pay so much for an SUV with a joke 3rd row seat when the van gives you more for less money.

    And I'm not kidding myself in thinking a small SUV will pull the same duty. Changing direction means changing priorities. We may decide other factors are more important than total cargo volume and 3 rows of seats.

    The price/features will keep the MPV on the short list, but just not as far out in front in would have been.

    It's going to be an interesting shopping season.....
  • scannerscanner Posts: 295
    Steve_ HOST,

    Make sure to cross reference this stuff in SUVs vs. Minivans too. ;-)

    Meinrad & Tccmn1,

    I couldn't agree with the two of you more, that's why I own both a MPV and a Highlander. ;-)
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Thus you agree that you got more bang for your buck with the MPV, right?

    Steve, Host
  • scannerscanner Posts: 295
    Yes, I can agree with that.

    But let me add a true story: I get into my MPV with 4 other passengers, the 6'2' passenger riding in the passenger seat has to slide his seat all the back because his knees hit the dash. Now the second row passenger is complaining because of the lack of leg room. The sole 3rd row seat passenger is complaining also, but it's difficult to hear them because they're way back in the cheap seat.

    Solution: we all get out of the MPV and get into the Highlander, and everyone is happier than the proverbial pigs in slop.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    You have too many friends :-)

    Steve, Host
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Iffylube? I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about Steve! ;)

    That reminds's time for an oil change in MochaVan! I actually switched to going by time instead of mileage b/c I only put about 8,000/yr on the van... so it's every 6mths for me for every K&N filter and 6qts of Amsoil!
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    looks like the phone lines in anchorage thawed out long enough for the doc to make an appearance.

  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    Those guys haven't had winter yet. You have to go all the way to Fairbanks to find a dogsled race this year.

    Guess we should ask Java how Mocca is handling the heat....

    Steve, Host
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Malt, you know I don't need a phone line for the internet! ;-) And M.V. is handling the 'winter' just swimmingly!
  • bob57bob57 Posts: 302
    Not the oil guy.. Hi Java! I'm in your boat. My new responsibilities have overwhelmed me at work and this "fun" site has gone be the wayside. Two offices and two buildings - eek!

    Erl? (oil in Texas...). I change the Sienna oil around 3K just to make sure of all the heat from the past sludge topics (let's not go into that again) don't cause a problem. Why take a chance on that one anyway. Lots of short trips and idleing on the Toyo.
    The '01 MPV (Red) soars at 70 MPH, 66 miles every day. I let it go until 70K on the last oil change and it still came out golden. Of course, makes me wonder where the dirt is....! Hmmm. Using the "Ferd" standard replacement filter and dino Castrol. Toyota changes it for me if I bring the filter - about $10 cheaper than Iffylube and anyone else I've found.
    I'm nearing 39K and developed one problem - the ashtry is ...oh, I already mentioned that...sorry, Steve.
    Fun van, sleeps with me ever night. Or is that my Golden...? Must get more rest...
  • I've seen these air fiters being mentioned before within the MPV discussions. I have an '02 MPV and was wondering a few things about the K&N's:

    - Do they improve gas mileage (if so, to what general extent)?
    - Are they "plug and play" or do I need some adapter kit or some other modification for it to fit?
    - Where's a good (read inexpensive) place to buy them, online or otherwise?

    Thanks in advance,
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    I used to say K&N didn't claim any mpg increases (for their "normal" oiled air filter). Then someone said, oh yeah they do. And they did.

    Then a month or so ago I visited their site and it looks like they don't again. Maybe the FTC asked for some proof?

    If they do claim any improvement, I bet dollars to Krispy Kremes the weasel language says "up to x%". Your seat of the pants mileage may vary :-)

    Steve, Host
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    I never have felt any improvement in 'seat-o-da-pants' or any drastic mpg increase when using a drop in K&N filter. I like the fact that it does a great job of filtering, as well as saving you money on buying paper-element filters all the time.

    Now, cone (and cold-air intake) systems... those are another story, but I haven't tried that on my MPV yet. I do have a spare K&N cone filter from my Saab 9000 sitting on the workbench. I wonder...
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Posts: 278
    Just an FYI; I guess Mazda decided to delete the Chrome strip trim on the GFX package due to it peeling or chipping off. You'll notice the pic in the 2003 brochure HAS the chrome strip on the black MPV in that picture. But my dealer informed me that those brochures use 2002 MPV's due to timing and same basic vehicle, etc. So if you see mine or others around without the chrome dress, you'll know it's a very late model.
    I really have no opionion since I was thinking that may be a least in the MN. harsh climate....come to think of it though, the east coast has had much more snow than we have here this year, eh? (21" in the Twin Cities all winter so far).
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    The general consensus is they don't filter as well as OEM filters. They flow better, but also allow more crap into your engine. I tend to agree with this theory.

    The only way to find out if they improve mileage would be to test several different vehicles, in a controlled environment, using indentical methods for each vehicle.

    The only advantage K&N filters offer for sure is never having to replace your filter again. No thanks. I'll use OEM and go with better filtering.
  • hey tccmn1,
    I got the GFX package with my 03 MPV. My dealer did not tell anything abt peeling / stripping of the chrome strip. Is there any concern with this chrome strip?
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Acutally, I said, they do a great job of filtering, not filter better. I agree that the chief benefit of a drop in K&N filter is not having to buy another filter again... well for like a million miles anyway. You've gotta watch out when you re-oil the filters though, b/c some mechanics blame premature MAF failure on over-oiled filters.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    I knew about the ES and LX models, but what's a DX model?
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,905
    You mean a new '03 MPV DX or an older one? When the MPVs first came out there was a DX trim line, which is the low-end line with few frills. Just like they have the Protege DX, LX, ES. They dropped the DX after the 2001 model year.
  • tccmn1tccmn1 Posts: 278
    That was the word that was told me by the manager at the dealer here in MN. where I bought her. I had been wondering about it myself before I got the unit - thinking how low to the ground that is and it is only a plastic type of 'chrome' strip anyway. It could discolor or pit I suppose and takes a lot of rock hits down there. Anyway, they're coming through now with only a solid color with the outline of the pattern visible where the strip would have been. Looks cheaper to me....of course the GFX package USE TO COST $1250 when it was first put out...I heard. Now it's only a $350 option. The story I first heard was they lowered the price on it because no one wanted I see why they lowered the's without the added chrome piece. Mine has a 12/02 Mfg. Date on it btw. I think someone asked that a while back.

    That's all I know....TCC
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    ......who claims to have '03 DX models on the lot. Could he have these confused with LX models?
  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    I agree with scanner. Mazda definitely should put more leg and especially knee room in the front passenger side. The problem is the world's largest dashboard which really needs to be changed. Then push the second and third row seats back,better yet, put them both on a movable track. Also, put a center headrest in the third seat. And split the third seat to be more versatile. I like the Highlander too,but it is an SUV and overpriced, needs to get better mileage.
  • tomj5tomj5 Posts: 209
    I am on the edge of ordering an LX MPV. Price is good loaded at 21K. Then I learned that Duratec is built by Ford. Worse, that this engine is the same as the Horror van, the Windstar!!!! Any guidence would be very WELCOME!!!!
  • scannerscanner Posts: 295

    Putting the second and third row seats on a movable track is what I always thought was the best idea that allows the most versatility. The seats in the Villager/Quest are made that way, but they usually rank at the bottom in reviews.

    I'm not trying to turn this into a MPV vs. HL debate, but I think the HL is more comparable to the MPV than most minivans. Also, my HL and MPV get the same gas mileage (both V6s).
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