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Mazda MPV



  • ajacat1ajacat1 Posts: 87
    Thanks Brian and ace--I know with some cars it's just a matter of wait 'til December...but the early $1500 off the Tributes is a nice enticement to wait for what's behind door #2004...

    On the other hand, a bunch of 2002s have suddenly cropped up, some with low mileage...we just may go with that, if we can find an ES w/power door.
  • bob57bob57 Posts: 302
    Wait a minute...was that a Sienna and MPV Java was holding up while standing in the stream???
    Subtle reflection of "I'm up to my butt in muddy water decisions..."?
    BTW - what did you think of the dashboard shifter? If they made it long enough they could compete with the MPV possibly.
  • bsvollerbsvoller Posts: 528
    Alright you guys, I promise to stop obscessing over rear disks, already !

    (But they still look a heck of a lot better, ha!)


  • ajacat1ajacat1 Posts: 87
    OH what a dilemma...what would you do? Can get a 2002 ES that, once we made it what we want (moonroof, other little items like roof rack, etc.), would be $2300 less than the best price we can find on an ES right now...

    It's got 13K miles on it...but it would only have 1 year of the warranty left. A new one would have 4 years (because the 2002s only had 3 years).

    What would you do? Money isn't so guaranteed right now, so the 2300 would be nice, but is that being penny-wise and pound foolish? Or is a program car a *must*-avoid?

    any thoughts would be appreciated...
    elsie the Libra who can't make up her freakin' mind!
  • subearusubearu Posts: 3,613
    Well, it's used, even if they call it a 'program' car. If it looks/feels/runs like new, AND you're comfortable with buying it used, then there shouldn't be a problem. I'd haggle with 'em a bit to see if they'll cut you some slack on a extended warranty (freebie? probably not), but that shouldn't be a deal killer.

  • ajacat1ajacat1 Posts: 87
    hmmm...didn't mean to bother everyone *twice* with that. Some little glitch.

    Brian, thanks for your reply. I had your very thought re the extended warranty--he said to get the equivalent warranty would be over 1K...the thing is that it's about 3 hrs. drive from us, and haggling isn't what I want to do, but I am so tempted by the price...

    Re buying used: we've *always* bought used before, usually 3 y.o., but single owner trades or leases, not programs. Programs I see as one step above rentals, which would be out of the question for us because I know how we --ahem--drive rentals...

    probably going to lose sleep over this tonight
  • ajacat1ajacat1 Posts: 87
    on another website--momentary lapse--
    I'm really Carolyn, just so no one gets confused :)
  • mazfan1mazfan1 Posts: 26
    I email MAZDA to try to confirm the changes on the 04 MAZDA MPV and this is what i got back:

     New headlights and combination light design
     New hood and front fender design
     New front and rear bumper design
     New front grille design
     New side sill extensions
     New 16" allow wheel design
     New 17" alloy wheel design
     Add side marker lights
     [non-permissible content removed] standard fog lights
  • ajacat1ajacat1 Posts: 87
    Wow, fog lights off the back. That's an interesting choice...;)
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  • rutger3rutger3 Posts: 361
    It only took Mazda 4 years to realize that people want a passenger side power lock switch! Just my 2 cents, but is there really a big market for awd minivans? Seems they never did well in the past. Unless you do real off roading or live along the snow belt or are an Alaskan hunting guide I just don't get it. It adds weight, reduces already lousy mileage and adds thousands to the cost. In 99% of the cases, fwd is fine. Speaking of mileage my 01 LX got 21.5 mpg on a 1000 mile trip,the a/c on and 4 people with luggage. Does this seem about right? I really wish the mfg's would do something about improving gas mileage. I'm tired of handing out $22-24 every week to the gas stations.
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    The dashboard shifter was very good. It's in the perfect place if you have your arm resting on the armrest. Much better than (I can't believe I'm saying it...) the MPV's shifter arrangement. :)

    BrianV, yes, rear disks do look nicer. ;)

    Here's a couple of more teasers on the 2004:

    - Front and rear A/C... standard on the LX and ES
    - Multi-reflector Projector-type headlights, ES
    - Razor Blue ext color, avail in beige or gray interior.

    - Motivation will be provided by the 3.0L 200HP V6 and 5speed Auto.
    - No AWD.
  • acedriveracedriver Posts: 131
    So, let me get this straight ... The ES trim gets standard items of fog lights, Power sliders and 6-CD changer in dash and yet the price increase is only $100 ????

    For 2003 ES, the Power sliders were $800 option, 6-CD was a $450 option and the fog lights were a $250 option !!

    So, on the 2004 ES you would get $1300 worth of (2003) options for $100 ??!!
  • bsvollerbsvoller Posts: 528
    If you consider that 95% of SUV's never leave the pavement, why bother with awd/4wd on those vehicles either ? It just "adds weight, reduces already lousy mileage and adds thousands to the cost"..., to use your words.

    People want awd for the image, and it looks like the manufacturers are starting to move away from pure SUV's, so they're trying mini-vans as part of the "cross-over" segment. The reality is, SUV's aren't all they're cracked up to be, and enough people have figured that out to shift the market some.

    The most significant differences between your typical SUV and a comparably-sized mini-van are off-road ability and tow capacity. Of course, you trade ride quality and in most cases gas mileage for those, but I think you follow my point here.

    I'm with you. If you don't need the tow-capacity and are honest with yourself about going off-road (especially off-trail, which is even rarer), then a mini-van makes more sense, rationally speaking, than a SUV for a lot of people. Trouble is, most people are very sensitive to image.

    Of course, awd/4wd is useful for more things than just off-roading, depending on the system. Those of us that live in the snow belt and/or the mountains would love to have an awd mini-van, because it best fits our (real) needs.

    Particularly a nimble one, whose awd is laid out for performance/handling ! I'd love to have an MPV with an Audi-style awd system (but a Subaru-style system would do nicely, too :) )

  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Where do you get your $100 figure in your Post #6323? I don't think I've seen any concrete pricing numbers yet. Dish, if you've got 'em!
  • tbcreativetbcreative Posts: 357
    I saw this on the Mazda sight, on the intro page for the MPV: .gif

    It looks like a little slice of the re-styled front end. Also there's an Acrobat download for '04 pricing.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    We just returned from our trip to CA. We were loaded with 4 people and a fairly large amount of luggage, no car top carrier or trailer.

    I'll mention the highway (I-80) between here (Cheyenne, WY) and our destination (Fairfield) was rarely flat and straight, which hugely effected our fuel economy. The speed limit of 75 MPH doesn't help either. Having the cruise set at 80 MPH, the worst mileage we got was 21.9, and the best was 24.5. I could see this van getting 27-28 MPG on straight, flat highways traveling at a lower speed.

    The next thing I noticed is this Duratec 3.0 is a rev happy engine. The least little bit of upgrade would cause it to kick down into 4th gear. Heaven forbid I would've been towing anything! I don't mind revvy engines, but I prefer torque over HP. I'd like to see Mazda (or Ford) develop a new engine for the MPV that makes more torque, at least 250 ft. lbs., preferably 300. This would allow the van to pull up those inclines without constantly having to downshift. We plan on getting a car top carrier, and we also have a small utility trailer we will be towing when we move. That should be interesting.

    The comfort of the van during the trip was outstanding. The front and rear air worked great. The kids really enjoyed the DVD player, although we found out it's very picky about the condition of the DVD's. If there is so much as a single smudge mark or finger print on the playing side of a DVD, it won't play properly. The van could stand to be a bit less suseptable to wind noise, but it's liveable. Also, the driver's seat is a bit too firm. I think the seat in our recently returned leased Intrepid was a little more comfortable. Other than that, this was by far the best vehicle we've owned for taking long trips.
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    You're right Tb... here's the link to the pricing... Thx to LazyFox for the link, btw. :-)

    2004 Pricing Sheet
  • steveeaststeveeast Posts: 158
    Ordered ES on 1st April, took delivery 12th August; about 19 weeks in all. Original dealer estimate was 12-16 weeks; they gave us a loaner after 16 weeks. $200 over invoice. Excellent buying experience (apart from the wait) at Luther Mazda in the Twin Cities, MN. Even the finance guy was quick and painless.

    26 miles so far. Can't say I love it (after all, it is a minivan), but if it's reliable it looks like it'll be pretty much perfect for our needs.

  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    of the 2004 MPV?

  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    ... I'm constantly searching for them. I've seen a morphed, PShopped idea of what it might look like, on the web, but nothing concrete, and no one at mazda 'has' any, or so they say. Uh-huh...

    It's only a matter of time before one is caught on film, or card.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    $1900 more for the ES for power doors, fog lights, CD changer, and chrome door handles. Good value? Hmmm... are fog lights, a CD changer, and chrome door handles worth $1100? For $555 you can get (on the LX Plus) the CD changer PLUS a stereo upgrade, 17" alloys and tires, spoiler, compass/outside temperature/auto dimming mirror, and leather steering wheel.

    About $1200 more on the LX Plus compared to the '03 LX, but with rear A/C ($595 on the '03 LX). But not with rear heat, that's extra. Does Mazda realize that winters in most of the U.S. and Canada get pretty cold?

    The biggest ripoff IMO is $910 for the LX Plus, which adds features most everyone will want: privacy glass, bodyside moldings, mats, and fog lights. Notice also that every LX package has LX Plus as a pre-requisite. So for all intents and purposes they increased the price of the LX by $1200.

    Also, did you notice that they are charging $200 extra for "pearl" paint colors in '04?

    Meanwhile, '03 LXes are going locally for under $19k. If my lease didn't have several months to go, I'd get a '03 now rather than waiting for the '04s. The changes to the '04s aren't that compelling to me. And I like the looks of the '03 just fine.
  • goldkeygoldkey Posts: 36
    I must confess, I always sneared at people who drive minivans and especially SUVs, and my wife just plain hates these kinds of vehicles. But with family growing, in-laws visiting, I decided to have an open mind about that. When I took a loot at this segmet, I was amazed at MPV's value and characteristics. Last time I was on a market for a new car, best I could buy for under 20 grand was a run-of-the-mill Japanese sedan with 4 cylinders. I was totally sold on MPV - so much car for so little money. And size is perfect. Just the other day, I had to park it in tight spot, and had easier time doing it than a full size sedan, which actually had to abandon the spot to me :-). Anyway, another charm is feature pack on the cheappest trim. I picked LX-SV with rear AC as the only option, and it has no compromises on essentials. That's what I hate about Toyotas. And yeah, did I mention power train? It is V6 and 5speed smooth like butter auto trany. Going for cheapest trim didn't mean I had to drive 3-cylinder 150HP-enigne powered vehicle. In fact I think with higher trims MPV loses much of its value appeal. I picked the cheapest trim not as an act of self-deprivation, but just because I liked what I was getting at that price.
    When I brougth MPV home, my wife gave me fits and put in dog house, until I had to drive her, our two kids, and her parents for a 80 miles trip to the beach. Since that she warmed up to it and admitted that it was not a bad choice and very good deal after all.
  • goldkeygoldkey Posts: 36
    One more thing. I just took a look at Edmunds recommendations for minivans, and MPV was not a the list, which had 10 spots to it, mind you. MPV didn't even make #10. Out of what, total 12 contenders? Come on. The list included vans that make 10-15 MPG or cost 30K or powered by 180HP engines for the weight 5OOO pounds, or so big they have to be parked in special spots to fit. Glad I didn't use the list when making my choice.
  • mazda_guymazda_guy Posts: 183
    I am not sure about what list are you talking about? If about the top 9 minvans with the worst resale value then you are right MPV is not there and I am really glad it is not there :-)

    mazda guy
  • lazyfoxlazyfox Posts: 90
    MPV has 9.2, Odyssey only 8.6, Sienna 9.1

    I know that sales volume of MPVs are lower than those of other minivans, so it might be a bit skewed, however consumers who drive that car every day would probably have better insight than pros who just test the car for few days. Also consumers can capture day to day usability as pros might take points up or down for features not really necessary or vital to daily use.
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    And here I thought that quantity = quality... <runs>
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,906
    Today's local paper had an article on "cool" minivans, noting that automakers were trying to improve the coolness factor of their vans. They had some drivers compare the Sienna, Odyssey, Montana, Quest, and Freestar. A Ford spokesman was gushing about the feature on the Freestar that was the coolest: a back seat that flips back so people can sit in it while watching soccer games etc. out the tailgate. Since the MPV has had that feature since the 2000 model year, does that make the MPV way cooler than the Freestar?

    I also got my first close-up look at a '04 Quest today. It doesn't look as bad up close than in pictures, especially in tan with a tan interior. But something about the interior screamed "cheap" at me, the near-horizontal instrument cluster was artistic but not easy to read, the back seats were rock-hard and not very adjustable, and in general I was wondering whether I'd want to pay $28k for a van with a cloth interior and only one power slider.
  • mjvchicagomjvchicago Posts: 149
    I've been longing for an MPV for well over 2 years now. Like how it looks, handles, performs (especially with the new 3.0 liter) etc. and like its size vs other minivans out there. Now that the 2004s are close to arriving, I am in a financial position to afford the van.

    However, I really like the current model and am not that interested in the 2004. I'm thinking that once the 2004s arrive, the 2003s left on the lots will get some kind of discount. Now, I went on carsdirect and saw that I could get a well-optioned MPV for approx. $21500 through carsdirect which is about $2-3k lower than MSRP. Wondering how much deeper a discount would go once the 2004s arrive on the lot. My guess is not that much, so I may as well buy now and take advantage of the 0% but I could be wrong.

    I would love some insight from you all.
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