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Mazda MPV

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  • big_guybig_guy Posts: 372
    I have to agree with Javadoc on the Ford ownership thing. I am under the impression that Ford owns controlling interest in Mazda which translates into the 33.4% of Mazda stock. I have read this in numerous other posts at Edmunds and a few others (although I can't remember which others off the top of my head).
  • tbonertboner Posts: 402
    That should settle the Ford Ownership issue.

    TB
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    ...and then some and nothing says that Ford ever bought out Mazda more than 33.4%, in the mid-90s. But, I don't believe everything I read on the internet.

    I'd just be utterly stunned/ floored/ hoodwhacked/ verklempt if I had missed Ford buying the remaining ownership in Mazda. But... I what do I know, right? image

    That, and I'm trying to illustrate that people have a misconception of the Mazda brand. So what if it has a motor made by Ford. You'd be shocked what iron is under some the hoods of some vehicles, past and present. In addition, has has there been a decrease in quality and/or reliability in Mazda's product that can be shown to be b/c of Ford's interest in the company? I doubt it. From what I've observed, Mazda has been and is its own company, although there's a bigger partner involved. Has Ford's ownership of Jag lessened the marque? Some would argue it has. I think that Jag has lost some of it's 'passion,' but their product has improved. I wouldn't buy one, but they're better than they've been in decades. Rover has improved w/Ford's ownership, albeit with some downsides in what I've seen in trim and minor items.

    I just don't see how Ford can be a bad thing. However, I won't be buying a car w/a blue oval in the forseable future, for reasons that mainly are due to dealership experience and not the product I've owned.
  • glideslopesglideslopes Posts: 431
    Nice to see a half dozen or so consecutive posts by you!

    Much nicer than the usual 33.4% we are used to.

    Mark. ; )
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    LOL Mark. Sue me... but I closed the month early, so I was bored and needed some filler time, and the automotive news leads are slow at this time, so I can't inundated you w/ that, at 'the site that shant be named.' ;)

    Besides, I just can't sit idly by, can I?

    I somehow came back to TH... just when you think you're out... they pull you back in! Gee, I wonder what my post count is here, after 4+ yrs.

    <content> What does this all have to do w/how many cases of Star$ an MPV can hold?
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    where can i get a good Navigation System installed for my 02 MPV ? any suggestions ?
  • javadocjavadoc Posts: 1,167
    Alpine makes some very nice DVD-based NAV equipment, but not specifically for the MPV. The JDM market cars have it as a factory option, but I forget what memory form factor it's based on. I doubt you'd find anything OEM that'll work in the States... so your best bet is a good Alpine unit like something from CarNAV.com or an Alpine NVE-N852A>
  • beanboybeanboy Posts: 442
    Many of the platforms, engines and transmissions are going to be shared across Ford's product line. New Mazda3/Focus/S40 all using the same platform for example. It's going to happen more and more as Ford tries to cut costs.

    -B
  • edle777edle777 Posts: 19
    Excellent post by lawlee. I disagree slightly about the abundance of MPVs on the road though. I think they are more popular here (Canadians in general like the smaller vans and SUVs) but there are many more Odys and Siennas. I don't think Canada is much different from the U.S. in that Mazda (and Nissan) rank a distant 3rd or 4th in most peoples' minds when considering Japanese.

    Anyway, I'm currently shopping for an MPV and the dealer has offered me a $650 rebate on an LX. Of course, the rebates are different here than down south. Still I'm curious why Edmunds lists two rebates: one for $2000 and one for $500. Naturally I'm interested in when the $2000 applies and whether something similar in Canada exists. Steve, can you help with this?

    I checked the manufacturing sticker on the particular MPV I'm looking at and it was made in "09/02". So it looks like it's been on the lot for 6 mths or so. I figure I can get a lot more taken off than $650. I am planning to make a counter-offer within a day so wish me luck.
  • edle777edle777 Posts: 19
    The MPV is a great van. It is the best choice for our family. I think it's the best choice for most people who don't need the size of the Ody and new Sienna. But like I said, when a lot of people think Japanese, they tend to only think Honda and Toyota.
  • bsvollerbsvoller Posts: 528
    I'm not sure whether Ford ownership, such as it is, is good, bad or indifferent. I haven't seen anything about them buying the rest of Mazda either, but does it really matter? They have a controlling interest, which means that Mazda is not technically an independent brand anymore.

    I think the distinction between "wholly owned" and "controlling interest" is a pretty fine one. Mazda can't go off and do what they like without the mothership's OK, and the mothership has interests and concerns that aren't Mazda's some of the time (2.5l engine comes to mind...).

    Welcome to global consolidation. That can mean that the parent leaves them a long 'leash', provides capital, buying power, distribution network, etc, but doesn't get involved to the point of diluting the brand, or it can mean the brand identity gets so watered down as to become meaningless. It depends on management, and on Mazda's success, of course. No better way to gain independence and lengthen your 'leash' than by being really successful.

    So far, Mazda has been on a rampage, product quality is up, they've successfully introduced a raft of exciting new products, and re-discovered a clear image. That's all good. In fact, I'd have an easier time telling you what Mazda stands for than what Ford stands for, frankly, which is critical to the brand's success. And of all of Ford's brands, they prolly have the best overall quality, especially if you don't count the rebadged Fords (Tribute, B2000).

    In general, consolidation seems to mean that there's less risk-taking and brands grow more alike, i.e. bland, which in my personal view is a net loss. Once upon a time, Mercury was a force to be reckoned with. Now they're just pricier Fords, and soon to be axed, IIRC. If Volvo and Jaguar aren't careful, the same thing will happen to them.

    GM is far worse in this respect mind you. I have to chuckle at the guy in his Cadillac Escalade. It's just a gussied up Chevy Yukon, who are you kidding ? They're pouring jillions into marketing to fight that problem, and to some extent people will believe what you tell them if you tell them often enough. But you're not going to threaten the brands which sell to the discriminating buyer with a lot of hype, on the contrary, you'll just drive them in the other direction. It's not real.

    Cadillac is desperate to reinvent itself. The average age of their buyers was 65 a few years ago. Oldsmobile's on the way out, Buick will be next, Saab's on life-support. It's sad, really.

    Now that the Japanese brands have declared their intent to go after the big truck market in the U.S., Ford and GM had better watch out. That's the last segment they dominate, and the only one where they make real money.

    The Duratec is a fine engine, and the MPV a fine mini-van, one of the very best, and the only one sold in this country built in Japan. It's not meant to be the biggest seller, and won't be. That's OK. Mazda has to be a niche player and stick to its identity to survive. And it looks like they'll be around a good long while.

    -brianV
  • steverstever Posts: 52,683
    The $500 rebate can be used with the special 2.9-3.9% financing. If one goes with the $2,000 rebate, you can't take advantage of the cheap financing offer. I've never heard of a good free source for Canadian specific pricing and incentive info, althought there are one or two pay sites out there I guess.

    btw, I drove through Alberta from north to south earlier this month, and all I saw were trucks!

    Good luck shopping.

    Steve, Host
  • lsinclsinc Posts: 270
    bsvoller about Mazda. I have searched both Mazda and Fords sites and can't see where they mention 100% ownership of Mazda. I do see that Mazda (not all models) are in the Ford lineup. MPV is one of them due to the Duratec. This is why I believe that Ford has a little more then a 30% ownership in Mazda.

    As to how many MPV's are on the road here in the USA I can only say that I see a few but not like the Ody or Sienna or Chrysler crew. I also see alot of GM mini's i.e. the Venture.

    3 Weeks tomorrow sine I brought my MPV home and it has just over 1000 miles on it. We will put approx. 300 on it today going up to MA. It runs like a champ and I love it.
  • velokidvelokid Posts: 4
    ...On a MPV LX, with 4 seasons, traction control, rear AC, and All-Sport package. The dealer said it was nearly impossible to find one with the All-Sport package, so here's hoping I'm not jinxing myself by writing this...

    It really looks like Mazda is going through a rebirth of sorts, and the Ford connection IMHO helps both parties. I read an article last week that Ford execs are turning to Mazda for help in figuring out how to slash their "idea to reality" product development lead times. (Mazda is among the best in the industry at ~24 months) And as soon as Mazda makes an updated version of the 323 GTX - a turbocharged awd hatch - I'll have 2 "zoom zooms" in the driveway.
  • kevriakevria Posts: 14
    I just got off the phone with Mazda Customer Service and was told that there is NOT a customer rebate in the Northeast (at least).

    Kevin
  • sweet_subiesweet_subie Posts: 1,394
    where are you in the northeast.....see the link i posted a few days ago.....in the MAss area they give $5000 below MSRP both on LX & EX.

    if not, go to DC area & visit fitzmall.com, for a no-haggle price of 4,000 below MSRP.
  • kevriakevria Posts: 14
    I was able to get $1000 below the invoice price on our 2003 MPV LX. A $25015 MSRP MPV cost me $2199.
  • edle777edle777 Posts: 19
    $2G without financing? I don't necessarily expect the same rebate in Canada, but I think my salesman's holding out on me if he's only offering $650. I'll have to see how much more I can squeeze out of him. LOL.
  • crissmancrissman Posts: 145
    Here in the relative flatlands of NC I've had no problem keeping up and leading the march to work and back with my supposedly underpowered 2.5 L '00 MPV. So far the only problem is the idle air valve moaning in the cold (I can now ignore it until next fall). It consistantly gets 22 mpg in mostly highway (beltline) driving and is about to hit 60,000 miles. Zoom Zoom.
  • tbonertboner Posts: 402
    You can probably fix that for $0.12. A 1/2" copper cap with a small hole drilled in it will reduce/eliminate "Moosing"

    Do a google search for Throttle Hang Fix and Contour and you will probably find some helpful links.

    Such as this one http://www.contour.org/FAQ/FAQ.php?s=probs&displayid=3

    TB
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