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Toyota Echo



  • Sorry to here about your problem. Pretty good though for an almost 5 year-old car. I guess you'll just have to buy a Yaris - electric power steering with no hydraulics to leak. :shades: :)
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    Well there really ISNT anything wrong with the ECHO!. I had wiped the oil off everything I could see yesterday and looked again today to new oil. THEN I remembered when I refilled the engine with oil last weekend after changing it, the funnel slipped and some oil got all over the exhaust manifold (behind the engine). Thats what must have gotten all over the power steering pump. Yep my car is still cherry! ;)
  • You must not drive many miles....
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    Im only averaging so far 6000 miles per year. At that rate it will take 20 years to go 120,000. This might be my last car!
  • I recently bought a 2001 echo, i love the car but i hate the tires, so tiny , i heard that i can change the 175/65R14 for 185/60R15 or 195/50R15, are there any other sizes that could fit? and what brand do you suggest for good snow handling? Thanks
  • Yes, those other sizes will fit. For best snow driving, you want a narrow tires, so the standard size will be best. Wider tires will improve summer driving however. Your best bet is to put winter tires on the 14" rims and summer (not all season) tires on 15" rims. :)
  • Oh!, i thought wider tires would be better for snow handling, are you sure that the stock 14" tires are good in snow? Thanks
  • I took my driving test in a heavy snow storm many years ago and was also originally a physics major - yes, I'm sure! In order to have control in snow and ice, you need maximal pounds pressure per square inch. Wider tires give you larger contact patches (good on dry surfaces), but therefore fewer pounds per square inch. You will float across the surface of the snow rather than dig into it. BTW, it isn't the 14" dimension that is good, it is the 175 width that is good. :D
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    I would think twice before going to bigger tires on the ECHO. One of the ECHOs charms is that the steering is so quick and light. You would lose that with bigger tires. If I recall correctly the ECHO with stock tires pulls some pretty good skidpad numbers.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    I've read through this topic and I've decided you Echo owners might be able to provide me with a bit more info about this car.

    I also read through the reviews the Edmunds staffers posted only to realize they didn't do this car any justice. Having driven one myself, I got the impression the Echo is a true Toyota through and through with all the build quality of any of their vehicles. I feel the staffers were more hung up about the looks of the car and made the mistake of overlooking many of the car's qualities. It does sound like they do have a valid complaint about the way the wind catches the car from the side, other than that, it sounds like the vast majority of people who own this car would buy it again.

    I'm interested in finding out from owners what kind of problems you've had (if any), your specific likes and dislikes, and what kind of fuel economy numbers you're getting. When you post your numbers, please indicate whether your car is equipped with a manual or auto tranny. Thanks.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    According to Consumer Reports the ECHO is one of the top five cars for reliability. The car is made in Japan which I think is an advantage considering my wifes Camry which is made here as I understand it. I thought I had a leaky PS pump the other day, but I had spilled oil on it when previously adding oil during an oil change. My 2001 will be five years old this November 12. It will have about 30,500 miles on it then with no problems at all. People who have trouble with their ECHOs generally have quite a few miles on them when they do.
    I use my ECHO (with manual transmission) to drive 6 miles or so to work everyday. Very seldom does it go over 45 mph or take the freeway. This summer its been getting 40-42 mpg in this role. I expect when winter comes the mileage will drop to 38-40 mpg. This summer when I drove to Atlantic City on the freeway I got over 50 mpg driving at a steady 60 mph.
    I like the ECHO mostly because its a Toyota and therefore needs few repairs. It gets great mileage. Its the easiest car there is to get in and and out of, with its high seat height. Theres a lot of room inside for a small car and lots of places to stuff things in the dashboard. The car is agile in city traffic and super easy to find and get into a parking spot. The engine has excellent power for so small a displacement (1.5 liters). The car is super easy to work on, oil changes, air filter, sparkplugs, coolant, transmission oil, brake fluid changes etc can easily be done at home. (Toyota has NEVER seen this car. The only thing I will let them do is put a new muffler on it when it needs it (free lifetime warranty parts and labor) change the belts and the rear brakes)
    Dislikes? The only one that comes to mind is driving in snow. The car has all the traction of a pickup truck, especially uphill and especially in deep snow. Its super twitchy on packed snow and feels like it going to swap ends any second. I borrow my sons 93 Nissan Altima whenever possible! I have the Bridgestone Potenzas on it PE 92. Im hoping for better results when I get new tires. (but that might be a while as the Potenzas are only half worn out) Im thinking the light weight of the car (2000 pounds) is responsible for the poor performance in snow.
    You are not the first person to notice the distain Edmunds has for this car. In no other review that I read of the ECHO did anyone dis it like Edmunds did. On the contrary they were very enthusiastic about it. Almost to a lister everyone here like this car very much.
    Toyota doesnt sell the ECHO in the US anymore. I read they only sold like 3000 of them here in 2004. Suposedly there was going to be a "replacement" in 2006 but that hasnt happened. Theres talk of another replacement next year. So you might go for a used ECHO (an excellent idea!) or wait till next year to see what turns up. I DONT recommend the xa at all but you might like it. Good luck and tell us what you decide! :)
  • "I have the Bridgestone Potenzas on it PE 92." That is your snow problem in a nutshell. Check the review on TireRack. They got a 3.7 out of 10 for snow and poor for almost everything else. They are one of the worst tires for snow driving that money can buy. With anything else, the Echo is fairly decent in snow. Light weight is not necessarily a problem for snow driving. My 1969 Mini Cooper weighed 1485 lbs and was very good in snow, even with all-season (but good) tires.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    I hadnt seen that on Tire Rack about the Potenzas. I suspected as much but Im gratefull to have the information. I will probably get rid of them before the snow flies. It just isnt worth wrecking the car over them!
  • I couldn't agree more. NEVER drive on less than good tires, get excellent ones if you can!! ;)
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    I remember being told on this excellent forum that KUMHO tires HP 716 are good.They certainly get a good review on tire rack. Anyone able to second that? Or recommend another? Im leaning strongly at this point to the Kumhos.
  • bottgersbottgers Posts: 2,030
    .....decided to to go with a set of Kumho Touring A/S 795's on my Tercel. The tires I have now still have about half of their tread left (with about 50K miles), but they are absolutely horrible in the snow. The tires I currently have were $25 specials (no name brand). The 795's had the highest snow and ice traction ratings of the 30 tires in their class (listed on the Tire Rack's web site), and they rated near the top in all other catagories. I put about 3K a month on my Tercel and I need tires that can handle the snow. They are also very nicely priced (mine were only $33 a piece, also from the Tire Rack). I have read nothing but good things about Kumho tires in general and I will post my review of these tires after I've had a chance to put some miles on them.
  • 2001 Echo, 47,938 miles, "Check Engine" light came on.
    Dealer code P0171 System Too Lean: Replaced MAF Sensor Control Motor, 22204-ODO3O Meter Sub-Assy, INTA.
    Also did a Fuel Induction Service (Top Eng Clnr Kit) and 4 Cyl Tune-Up (4 spark plugs).
    Service done by dealer in Jacksonville, Florida.
    Labor $160.39 (Rate $78 per hour), Parts $178.14, Shop Supplies $20, Sales Tax $25.10, Total: $383.63.
    "Check Engine" light is now off.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    I could rebuild my VW's engine for $250 in parts and machine shop labor in 1973. That was a great feeling of empowerment! No it costs $400 to make a little light go out! And I wouldnt have a clue how to do it!
    Do you know what the top end clnr kit is? Do you understand what was wrong and how what they did fixed it?
  • My son took the Echo to the dealer so I was not involved. To him, the urgency to have it repaired outweighed understanding any explanation of work done. I assumed I would understand the invoice but I was wrong.

    Do you know what the top end clnr kit is? No.
    Do you understand what was wrong and how what they did fixed it? No.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    My daughters 92 Camry borderline failed the emmissions test at inspection time last June. In NJ you HAVE to take the car to a list of people qualified to work on Emissions problems. Which means the Toyota dealer. They charged like $150 to clean the throttle body and clean the injectors. It passed the emissions test, but all the readings again were borderline. Its quite likely you just could have run the test again and this time it passed. So I dont know if that really did anything. My wifes Saturn on the other hand passed for years with less than 1/3 the ammount listed for failure.
  • reba05reba05 Posts: 36
    My biggest complaint is the wind knocking me around on the freeway and the interval windshield wipers, other than that it has been a great choice for the money!
    I bought a used 2003 4 dr Automatic at 34,000 miles and have had it for about 8 months. I live in the city and drive the wonderful rush hour commute. I have been getting 36 mpg quite consistently. On most freeway trips I can get 41 mpg.
    If you are looking for a basic good quality car, go for it!
  • radar4radar4 Posts: 4
    It cost me approximately $11.00 to remedy the same/similar problem today. Tell ya' how to do it. Get a new air filter ($8.88) and fuel injector cleaner ($1.88 at Wal-Mart), although the fuel injector cleaner may not be necessary.

    Install the new air cleaner (bounce me back if you need to know how). Atop the air cleaner housing is the MAF (mass airflow sensor). Disconnect it and clean with alcohol (gently clean the probe - two wires with what looks like mercury-type liquid at the tip). You can also remove and clean the other sensor adjacent to the MAF (closer to the windshield). Clean inside of tubes with Q-Tips and alcohol.

    Reinstall, and your Echo will run like new. Good luck!

    Radar 4
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    Are these thing inside the air filter housing? :P
  • radar4radar4 Posts: 4
    I believe it's called the Vitz in Japan and the Yaris in Europe. Check the October issue of Motor Trend.
  • radar4radar4 Posts: 4
    Sensors are atop the air filter housing. The air filter, of course, is in the air filter housing.
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    >its called the Vitz in Japan and the Yaris in Europe>

    Yes but it not here yet. Given the failure of the ECHO to sell many vehicles one wonders if they will attempt another car like it. Or change in around into something America will buy. Edmunds is already doing its level best to kill it off by describing it as being economical but lacking in power. Does anyone know how many xa units Toyota sells every year?
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    More than you could ever want to know about the ECHO:
  • Hi,
    I just bought a 2000 Echo a few days ago. This is my first car, and the only car ive ever driven that had a CD player, and I can't figure out how to work it. Every time I put a CD in it just pops it right back out, even if I press the CD button. And I dont know if this is a problem with the CD player, or with me not being able to figure it out. I bought it used, so it came without a users manual so there are a lot of things I cant figure out, but mainly just the CD player and the dash lights. If somebody could please help me I would really aprreciate it-these are really the only things I need the manual for, so I do not want to spend the $30-$70 to order one.
    Thank You!
  • kneisl1kneisl1 Posts: 1,694
    Im having trouble walking so I cant get to my owners manual today. But Ill get it tomorrow and look up about the radio. But Im pretty sure 90 per cent of the manual on the radio is how to adjust things like balance, bass, treble etc. I believe you just put the CD into the radio and it just works. You might look in there with a flashlight into the slot and see if theres another CD in there. Did you try different CDs? (like five different ones? were they clean/undammaged?)
    As far as the dash lights theres a little round knob near the coin holder to the left of the steering wheel. It might be turned all the way off. Could you be a little more specific about what deash lights are out or not out? My service manual says if the dash lights dont work check the TAIL fuse in the fuse box. Fuse box is under the dash to the left off the stering wheel fuse #8.
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