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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans



  • philteethphilteeth Posts: 1
    has anyone heard anything about the 2004 E-class SEDAN due out this August? it's supposed to have a much improved navigation/communication system called COMAND (yes, one M only). apparently, the E55 AMG that's coming out this May does not have the COMAND option (and it's a 2003! very late for an '03 to come out in May!). I'd really appreciate any info on the 2004 E-class sedan (there's plenty of info on the 2004 E-wagon on the net).
  • It's confirmed that the 2004 E Class will come equipped with DVD Navigation. The question remains is will it also have DVD movie capability.

  • irvnirvn Posts: 11
    I own a 2000 E430 with the COMAND system and the voice activated phone. I will tell you that I have had my share of bad luck with electrical problems with my COMAND and phone. I would advise you to wait a year or two to see if MB makes a real push to improve the quality of the electrical components of the car. I was under the impression that Nokia was going to produce the COMAND system in the future.
  • benzownerbenzowner Posts: 20
    Nokia will be makeing the command system in 2005 i think. look here.
  • houstonmerchoustonmerc Posts: 65
    This may be a stupid ? but I have never had an integrated car phone. If I get an E500 with the phone, can I get my service programmed through the phone in the car or does it take some type of different service? I assume that the integration in the car is very nice, ie being able to answer the phone with the steering wheel controls(?).
  • irvnirvn Posts: 11
    You can get your service activated for your car phone. The integration is very nice. I have a Lexus GX 470 and a standard V60 which is a real pain to dial or look at the phone in the car. I think the MB phone is a better option as far as safety is concerned. The other downside outside of cost; V60 was $150.00 without the rebate at Verizon vs. $2500.00 for a Startac with my 2000 E430 is the cost to replace or repair. . . I also think that car phones can be a real source of electrical problems. . .
  • acco20acco20 Posts: 211
    anyone who pays $2500.00 for an intergrated phone is [xxxxxx], fill in the blank.Some are even more costly. Yes,there are some minor advantages, but wow, they can not justify this kind of $$$$. JMHO.
  • onlyagirlonlyagirl Posts: 45
    I just had my 2000E320 washed the other day and when I got it back the drivers seat will not go back all the doesn't seem to have anything stuck on the track as the motor does not whine or make any noise like it's just gets to a certain point and stops...the head restraint also will not move....fuse? or something got unplugged while being cleaned? Any suggestions? Actually the car is still in warranty but I was just wondering if this has happened to anyone else.....
  • bigrobnhbigrobnh Posts: 114
    dont know about the seat but the motor that adjusts the drivers headrest failed within the first year for me (2001 E320 4Matic). Weird thing is I'm the only driver so the headrest had been moved less than 10 times. Not a very robust part.

  • irvnirvn Posts: 11
    No riot acco20, but I purchased the integrated phone because it is easier to manage while driving. I have a V60 with my Lexus GX 470 and I can tell you that it is not very safe to take your eyes off the road to dial a ten digit phone number. I am not sure which is [xxxxx], but I think the integrated phone is safer and I am not sure of the cost of the phone vs fixing your car. . .
  • irvnirvn Posts: 11
    vs fixing your car. . . in an accident. Believe me, I think that the phone options are quite expensive. I would now wait until Bluetooth technology makes it into the MB line in a few years. . .
  • acco20acco20 Posts: 211
    how do you dial a 10 digit phone number with an integrated phone? Don't you have to punch the numbers into a hand set. If you are talking about speed dial, most hand held units have that capability. My hand held sits in a magnetic holder on the dashboard, and it has two way talk. I do not pick it up.I keep it on "speaker on" in it's perch, and when a call comes in, I push the button and start talking.If I want to make a call I push the appropriot number key and push send,and start talking.My phone was $19.00 with a two year contract. Again...just my thoughts, if paying $2500.00 for an integrated phone is your thing... then so be it.
  • irvnirvn Posts: 11
    I use the voice activation to dial the phone number. I pull back on the stalk and get a voice prompt to enter the number. When a call comes in, you use the controls on the steering wheel and start your call; the radio or CD is muted and the sound comes in over the speaker system for the car. Bluetooth technology is the best of both worlds in that you can have the car telematics without being tied to a handset that will cost a lot to replace if it gets lost or broken. I had my MB phone replaced under warranty recently; the cost is almost $500 for a rebuilt MB unit. . . I am going to sell my 2000 E 430 because of reliability concerns, as my warranty expires, and I will probably not buy another integrated unit and wait for Bluetooth. . .
  • jfz219jfz219 Posts: 63
    I had my 2000 E320 for about 6 months and wondered why the passenger seat went back farther than the driver's seat. Then my daughter with shorter legs drove my car and the seat would not return to my position. The cure was to move the seat all the way forward. This resets the controls and allows the seat to move in its full range.

    In similar fashion, if the windows do funny things like roll up and drop down about 2", use your keyless remote to fully lower and raise the windows.
  • onlyagirlonlyagirl Posts: 45
    jfz219......I tried moving up.....but I don't think I went all the way up.......I had just had it washed and cleaned inside and I am wondering if something got loose.......anyway I just traded so it's not my problem anymore! :)
    About the integrated phone....I got it in my 2000E320, it was a digital MOtorola StarTac.....took about 4 months before anyone could activate one had any idea what to do with it..finally got it activated at Cellular South......didn't like the phone so I had it deactivated about 1 year later.....tried to reactivate about 2 months ago and was told the technology was so outdated it couldn't be activated I've posted before I think this is the only year this particular Startac was has a movable antenna and clearly says digital on the phone but the cellular companies I took it to insisted it was analog...( I think it is tdma )...I think it was ahead of it's time for least here in our little area of the world......great idea though......
  • jlindgrenjlindgren Posts: 1
    My wife and I currently own a C-Class and are thinking of upgrading to an E-Class. I am looking for feedback concerning the long term reliability of the engine. Most 1-2 yr old 320's have around 35k miles. What kind of mileage can we expect to get out of the 6 cylinder motor?
  • jfz219jfz219 Posts: 63
    My 2000 E320 has 45,500 miles. Driving is a mix of city and highway. Mileage has been an absolute low of 21 mpg for winter city driving and 30-33 for long distance trips with AC at 70-80 mph.

    The only repair was the seal on the differential. This was found during routine warrantee servicing. Out-of-pocket service and maintenance costs have been the purchase of a set of four Blizzak snow tires with alloy wheel for winter use.

    The interior looks like new; the exterior has done well with Zaino maintenance; and the original tires (MCXV4) will go about 45,000 miles with a tire pressure 2psi higher than recommended.
  • What rumors have any of you heard concerning the upcoming MY?

    1. 3.7L Engine
    2. Pivoting Head Lights
    3. New Colors Combos
    4. TV/DVD option on COMAND II

    Any others?!?
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508

    You didn't state which model year you're looking at. I've got the I6 but the newer E's (1998 on) have the V6. There are differences in reliability. The I6 has a known problem with the right front corner of the head gasket. Mine (1996) started to leak at 116,000 miles (118,000 now) so I'll have to do something about it later this year for upwards of $1000 ... Not a pleasant thought..! Maybe I'll trade it in!!

    I haven't heard if the V6 has any generic problems..
  • 2004 E320 maybe changing to E350 next year, with a 3.7L engine.
  • onlyagirlonlyagirl Posts: 45
    I loved my 2000 only advice is to get one that has an extended warranty ...I guess from Starmark ( or whatever it's called)..I had some problems that would have been expensive had it not been in engine problems.... had the catalytic converter replaced......then 4 months later more work on exhaust system or emissions systems, they said it wasn't the catalytic converter again but it sounded exactly the same..... cracked dashboard( discovered by a technitian when it was in for repairs to the cat converter)....had to be replaced...and some minor computer problems...overall I loved it and would have kept it if I had known to buy the extended warranty within the first 12 /12,000...... and the dealer was about a 2 hour drive away from it was a day off every time I had to take it gas milage was never as low as 21 but I don't have winter driving conditions.....I'd guess 26 to 31 or had 42k miles when I traded.......
  • r1_97r1_97 Posts: 181
    I've had 2 E320s, a '98 and an 01. Because of the major warranty work (replace transmission) on the '98, I bought a 4 yr. addl. warranty (8 yrs. total) on the '01. I agree w/ onlygirl that they're great cars to drive but sorely lacking in quality control for such an expensive car. Repair work is very expensive.

    After almost 6 years, I sold the '98 and bought a Lexus. Still like driving the '01 and so far have had only minor problems. I sleep better knowing I've got 8 years of warranty.
  • benz4ibenz4i Posts: 2
    Great discussion board....Looking at buying used '98 E320 with 74K, who sells ext warranty in Houston? Who offers value repairs in Houston if extended warranty is not available?

  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508

    I think the other folks are talking about the original new car warranty and extending it. THat can only be done through a MB dealer within the first year of purchase. OTherwise, you might be dealing with a Starmark warranty on a used MB. I bought my E-class used and the Starmark warranty was good for an additional year up to a total of 100K miles. That gave me a 3 year balance and 62K miles balance. Worked out pretty good since it needed a $1000 repair at 70K miles 2.5 years later. Along with a couple of other much smaller repairs. If buying a used one with Starmark, you CAN buy additional years at the time of purchase, but if the car already has 74K, it might not be worth it to get additional time; you really need additional miles.

    If you're buying from a non-MB dealer you cannot get either of those warranties but must try to get a third party warranty that will actually pay when there is a problem. I believe there is a Town Hall discussion on third party warranties.

    I did check into a few of them when my Starmark warranty was about to run out and there are a few that will cover high mileage cars, but it can cost as much as $1200 per year. Some were less money, but I have a hunch that you get what you pay for on these repair warranties. So far I haven't had engine or transmission failure (117K miles) but my E will need a head gasket possibly before the year is out. That may cost me up to $1000, so I might have recovered the cost of insurance. Maybe..

    Good luck..
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    regarding model year improvements. Was it the 2000 or the 2001 model year when the E had approximately 900 upgrades/improvements, according to MB? I may be in the market for a newer one soon and I'd like to get the one with the most improvements.
  • mb2003mb2003 Posts: 7
    I own a new 2003 E320. Black w/ Stone interior (tan). I used to own a BMW that has a left foot rest for the driver. But, in E320, this feature is missing. Thus, my left foot is planted on top of tan colored carpet. Not really helpful in keep the interior neat and clean.

    MB should have this feature.
  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    The "big" change in the E-Class was with the 2000 model. They lowered the hood-line (which resulted in the diesel not fitting), added turn signals to the outside mirrors (which also changed in shape), added the GPS antenna on the rear part of the roof, etc. I'm not sure about other changes, but they were substantial.

    I have a 2000 E320, and a friend has the 2001 model. The only difference I can see is in the gear shift knob.

    Hope this helps.
  • houstonmerchoustonmerc Posts: 65
    Though it may be minor, I believe the other change from 2000 to 2001 was a one touch sunroof dial. In my 2000 you have to hold the knob up until the sunroof is all the way back.
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    Many thanks to mbdriver and houstonmerc for the info.
    I had forgotten about the hood slope change.. Was that the first year of the rack and pinion steering also?

    Have either of you owned the 96-99 model? If so notice any difference in handling or ride quality after moving to the 2000 model?
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    the entire 210 model begining in '96 had the rack and pinion steering. I am also curious whether the 2000's feel different ie (most substantial) than the pre2000's
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