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Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedans



  • bowsbows Posts: 1
    snip from a recent post---
    "--However, the sales staff there POed my wife when we were in the market for the 2000 E320 -- she felt that their "supersalesman" acted as if he thought we might not be able to afford a new MB.-- "
    I think some sales people( particularily MB!) find this to be a very effective sales trick.
    I have heard of a number of people being taken
    in by this maddening approach.
    The sales staff probably gloat in the break room
    over their success!
    Don't fall for it!!!
  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 44
    That "sales trick" you describe has lost more dealer's sales from me than they will ever gain. I've simply bought elsewhere.
  • vicvvicv Posts: 41
    We have Dunlop SP Sport A2's on our '98 Catera. They replaced Michelin XGT-H4s. Both are great tires, but the SP's are much less expensive. But they were getting noisy too . . .low profile and independent suspension. Same problem with my 2001 Corvette. But on the Catera, they can be cross-rotated. Move the rears to the front and cross the fronts to opposite sides on the rear. That reverses rotation to even-up the wear at the tire's siping. BTW, the Dunlops are the third set of tires. We had to put them on at 43K mi & Caddy left us hanging. That's why we're ordering an E-320 and not another Caddy.
  • mb2003mb2003 Posts: 7
    I have a new 2003 E320 Sport with Keyless Go. After I turnoff the ignition and open the driver's door, the annoying beeping sound starts until I close the door. The command display reads "don't forget the ignition key".

    Is there a way to change the setting to turn this off?
  • bigrobnhbigrobnh Posts: 114
    We put a set on my wife's Subaru Legacy GT sedan. Only had one year experience with them as we traded the car for a new wagon. The Dunlop SP Sport A2's were a fantastic tire for the price. One of the things that we noticed was that they had superior wet traction. I cannot attest to their getting noisier with age. However, I have to believe that that happens to all tires and with the relatively high tread wear rating of the A2's one that won't happen for some time.

    I wouldn't hesitate to put them on my car.

  • mbdrivermbdriver Posts: 426
    Thanks. I assume that you put Dunlop SP Sport A2s on your Subaru. I'm going to check them out at Tire Rack. I had Dunlops on my wife's old 77 300D that we just sold, and they weren't very satisfactory. Hard to balance and keep that way.
  • topdog047topdog047 Posts: 12
    I'm getting ready to replace the original Conti's after 30,000 NOISY miles. I am trying to decide on the Pilot Sport A/S or the Eagle F-1 GS-D3.

    Suggestions are welcome - I'm looking for a quieter ride than the OEM Conti's.

    Thanks, TD - Miami
  • billc01776billc01776 Posts: 17
    I've had the Pilot Sport A/S's on my 2000 E320 for about 17K. I'd say that they are noisier than the OEM contis but not objectionably so. Recently, they have just started to develop a whine at highway speeds, which appears to be the nature of the beast.
  • donald02donald02 Posts: 54
    Have Eagle F-1's on my E-430 with 20K miles. They're noisy and getting noisier!
  • I had the same experience at a local dealer that carries both BMW and Volkswagen. In 1991 I was looking at a 318 (then about $19.000) and the salesjerk told me I couldn't afford it. A few days later, a different salesjerk at the same dealership made the same inuendo about the VW Fox (then about $8,000). I didn't buy anything from them. I bought a Saturn. Guess why.

    A few weeks ago, I was looking at small SUVs. I had written off the Honda Element which is nearly perfect except for its load rating of 675 lbs. (They gotta be kidding!) I pulled into the Toyota dealer on my motorcycle, and nobody even acknowledged my presence until I practically grabbed a salesjerk by the tie to get him to show me a RAV4.

    A few minutes later, I pulled in (on the same motorcycle) to another dealer and an hour or so later walked away with the title to a 1995 E320 Wagon. Oh, and yes, I could afford it...I paid cash.

    I'm sure salesjerks compare notes on tricks to insult, coerce, or shame people into a sale. They can play all the stooooopid games they want. In my experience a little respect is all it takes to win a customer.

    (Oh, and I'm shopping around for a good price on MXV4s while Michelin is offering a $50 rebate!)
  • sfvassfvas Posts: 10
    I am considering buying a 2003 E320 and have heard that they have electrical problems Anyone out there have the same issue or other major issues with their E320?

    Will I regret buying this car?

    I will be using the car everyday and need something reliable
  • mynextcarmynextcar Posts: 30
    My 2002 E320 has passed 1 year mark but the service light has not turned on. I have 9600 miles on my car. Is this normal? When I bought the car, I remember the service manager told me the service light will turn on at 1 year mark for those cars with low mileages. Can someone confirm this? Thanks.
  • boo20boo20 Posts: 85
    I don't think that there's a light per se. You can see how many miles are left by using the steering wheel buttons and scrolling through the menus (see your owners manual). The recommended interval depends on your driving habits and may exceed one year.
  • According to the Vehicle FAQ on the Owner Info section of mbusa-dot-com, 1998 and newer E series have a Flexible Service System that monitors your driving habits. It doesn't say what the initial period is, but it does say that following an A or B service, the dealer resets the counter and the light(s) will come on again within 10,000 miles or 365 days.

    In an interesting footnote: If you left the car's battery disconnected for days at a time, those days will not be counted.
  • cduongcduong Posts: 70
    Help!!! Do I need to change the transmission fluid at 60,000 miles. The dealer(VA)where this car originally came from told me that it's not required but they recommend to change T-fluid at 100,000 miles. Two local dealers (DE) told me that if it's "electronic transmission" then there is no need to change T-fluid, and they refuse to say if '96 E320 is or is not e-transmission until I bring the car in for them to look at (sounds fishy to me). Any inputs from '96 E320 owners are greatly appreciated. Thanks
  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    I've got a 96 E320 and had the transmission fluid changed at about 80 K miles. I do not think it is an electronic transmission; if the dealers you mention are MB dealers and they don't know, I'd avoid them like the plague...

    I think the owners manual recommends 60K miles.

    I used an independent MB specialist and I asked to have the filter changed also but they suggested just pumping out the fluid due to the cost of removing the bottom of the tranny and the filter. I paid about $80, about half the cost of doing the filter. I've now got 120K on it and so far the tranny is perfect. (Am I doomed now that I mentioned that?>??)

    Either $80 or $160 is a small price to pay to maintain the tranny. I am an ex-mechanical engineer and would NEVER believe that you never need to change transmission fluid.. There are too many wear parts inside to keep the fluid absolutely virginal.
  • cduongcduong Posts: 70
    Microrepair... Thanks for the info. I will change T-fluid at 60,000 miles. Do I need to go with synthetic T-fluid?...Asking another way: is there any reason why I should or should not go with syn T-fluid?
  • boo20boo20 Posts: 85
    That's not quite right. Although it is true that the FSS is reset to 10,000 miles or 365 days as you drive you may 'use up' these miles or days faster or slower than expected. E.g., you may drive 500 miles with the FSS only indicating that 300 miles has 'elapsed' or you may drive 500 miles (under harsh conditions) and find that the FSS now indicates that service is due in less than 9500 miles etc.
  • EdsotoEdsoto Posts: 42
    If you purchased the car from an US MB Dealership, and had the car for 1 year, get an oil change and a service check up. The first 4 (once a calendar year) changes are free!!!
  • muddogmuddog Posts: 26
    Anyone know anything about after-market supercharging? I received in the mail a card from High Performance Systems, touting the Eaton supercharger and its now being available for installation in E 430 vehicles, boosting HP to 375 and torque to 395 foot pounds. Flat charge of $1500. Questions: (i) anyone reading this ever done this, and how was it, and (ii) does increasing torque beyond what the car was manufactured for adversely affect handling or other performance elements?


  • microrepairmicrorepair Eastern MassachusettsPosts: 508
    I don't know anything about High Performance Systems and their Eaton SC kits, but for vicarious thrills along those lines, take a look at the Renntech ( website and all the goodies they have for all the different MB autos..
  • livetodrivelivetodrive Posts: 104 has a forum on Performance Upgrades and Tuning, where supercharging has been discussed at length. For about $20k, you can get a Kleeman supercharger installed on an E-430. Less expensive superchargers may lack an intercooler. The high temperatures can lead to knocking and engine damage.
  • boiler1boiler1 Posts: 56
    Anyone have a good idea when the 2004 models will be available?
  • I have a 2000 E320 and am thinking of getting a 2004 E500. I am thinking of ordering the car instead of taking what's available, which I have never done. Could someone with experience ordering please let me know how it works. I assume you put down a refundable deposit (??). Is the price negotiated before the car is ordered or after it arrives? Thanks.
  • boo20boo20 Posts: 85
    Yes you put down a refundable deposit (usually $1000). The price of the car is negotiated at the outset but the value of your trade in is not determined until the car arrives (which may be several months for a factory order). They may also be able to locate the exact car you want out of another dealers inventory in which case your wait would not be as long.
  • px260px260 Posts: 42
    Just read an article in the current issue of Automobiles magazine. It mentions starting in 2005, a certain models like the E500 will be equipped with the new 7-speed auto transmission. This new design is only slightly heavier and larger than the current unit. Be interesting to see how it performs.
  • footiefootie Posts: 636
    If MB is going to 7 speed transmissions, what follow?

    A CVT like many other car companies or more speeds - 9, 11, 15.

    Those shift gates are gonna look pretty ragged after a while.
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    The 7-speed automatic will be on the 04' E500, SL500, S500, CL500 and S430 when they arrive in Sept-Oct.

  • fshxprtfshxprt Posts: 8
    What is the point of a 7 speed? Luxury? Performance? Will it manual shift like the current trans?
  • I understand that the 7 speed will have improved acceleration and gas mileage.
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