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INKY
I installed the Keyless Remote in about an hour tonight. Really easy job, I bet that a Honda tech does it in fifteen minutes. I paid $160 on a retail of about $200.
I also bought splash guards but I ran out of sunlight so I will put them on tomorrow. The install on those looks really easy too. I paid $78 on a retail of $100.
The accessories from Honda seemed a little expensive but the quality, fit and easy install has made me forget about the price. Also have to say that I love the engineering on this car. It is my first Honda car but I have owned several of their motorcycles and would ride nothing else. Over all with 422 miles on it, I am pretty happy.
How did you install the keyless remote?
What I'm waiting for is a center console kit for manual transmission Civics. I really miss having a armrest/console, instead of the open bins between the front seats.
I installed the splash guards this morning. They were very easy too. I was lucky in that they gave me the correct instructions. Took about 30 minutes for all four.
I also ordered some wheels from Sears on my way home from the dentist (a filling instead of a crown saved me $500 - so I spent it) Z Racing #22 wheels. Cost $200 plus mounting and balancing. They are a simple 5 spoke painted wheel and I think that they will look good. I also hope that they are easier to clean.
Also my first tank of gas was 31.25 mpg. I here that this will improve to normal after about 3 tanks of fuel.
I am close to buying a Civic DX -
Can anyone post a comparison of Echo and Civic
I am specifically comparing 4-dr Automatic Tx Echo
with DX Civic 4-dr Automatic Tx
Things that are important to me are :
1. Reliability
2. Safety
3. Fuel-economy
4. Cost
5. Re-sale value
I do not care at all about Looks, fun-to-drive,
or Frills such as Power-door,power-locks or
cruise-control or even A/C
Also, if Civic is so reliable car, how come there are 71 complaints against 2000 Civic listed at NHTSA website (v/s 6 against Echo)
Thanks
the complaints are about 12 to 1 for the civic. if the sales are less than 12 to 1 in favor of the civic........ then echo has less complaints. if civic sales are over 12 to 1..... then echo has more complaints.
Toyota has admitted their mistake with Echo. Why u want to approve it by self-experience ?
It shakes on highway, is unpopular, costs too much for contents.
Getting a used Civic would be better than getting an Echo. Civic would give you 80% of money back after 3-years !!
Safety; Here also Civic bigger/heavier car is better than Echo.
72 complaints is NOTHING if u look at the 3,50K sold !!
Excuse me. The Echo is an unqualified success for Toyota. It has won both European Car of the Year award and Japan Car of the Year award. It's the best seller there. Why would Toyota admitt it's a mistake when it's clearly a home run for them? BusinessWeek magazine had an article about Toyota not too long ago, and Echo was named as a big success for Toyota.
I think Echo is designed for city/commuting purpose. It's best suited for high density city use, (that's why it's such a big hit in crowded Europe and Japan). It combining excellent fuel economy, acceleration that out paces the Civic, and a tall/short profile that make parking easy yet does not sacrifice interior space.
Draw back of the Echo: questionable styling, may have problem with crosswinds at highway speed, no power window available.
Unlike Europe and Japan where Echo easily outsells the Civic, Echo has a more limited appeal in the big car savvy U.S. That's why Toyota only ships 50,000 to the U.S a year, and it's ahead of it's sales schedule so far. But if you keep the car simple, and use it mainly for urban commute, it's a very reasonable choice.
It's definitly not for everyone.
In the U.S, Civic sales out number Echo's 7:1. The ratio of complaint (12:1) isn't too far off. I would say Civic and Echo are about as reliable as each other.
Echo is built in Japan, and Civic is built in the U.S. I have heard several people mention a theory that (this apply to both Honda and Toyota), that cars built in Japan are slightly more reliable than ones built in U.S. I take it with a grain of salt since there isn't any concrete data to back up such claim (being a scientist, I frawn upon unsupported claims). Like I said, the complaint ratio between these 2 cars are not that far off from their sales figure ratio, and we are working with 2 small numbers here, so margin of error is relatively high.
Look at it this way. There are 72 complaint for every 350,000 Civic, and 6 complaints for every 50,000 Echos. We are talking about 0.021% and 0.012% here, relax.
Why would anybody get an Echo when there are many used cars available in US-Market. USA-USed car market is like anything. Very good choices there.
My friend got 96 Galant with 34K mileage for $7400 !! has power everything, cruise etc.....
(almost everything except roof).
Why would u like to get an Echo for 10-11K when u get a much better used car with much better safety ratings ??
Note: Note Galant is used as an example, don't want to compare it with Echo.
Also In USA even if u get a car for city driving, U HAVE TO use freeway many times, maybe for 3-5 minutes. Echo is not atall good for such commutes.
the fact that is probably reliable and efficient and zippy only helps matters. it might not be the best highway cruiser, but at least it does not look like every other appliance out there. Camry, civic, accord, corolla, blah blah blah...
Very soon just about every manufacturer will have a similarly shaped economy car in its model line.
hard to find one in New England area. I was told by
the dealer possibly I couldn't get one in 3 weeks.
And even after 3 weeks it's hard to say.
Does any one know how I can get one?
Thanks.
Total 350,000 focus are getting recalled... !!!
& they were talking about having great competetor to the civic !
Ford is smart that they issued 1 recall for 3 different problem. It would really look back if they had to issue 3 seperate recalls.
Smart strategy.
In case anyone else does their own.
I was surprised that I actually found not one, but two dealers that were actually pleasant to work with after hearing many horror tales of how awful Honda dealerships were to buy from.
Aside from simply getting used to a new car which makes a few things seem odd to me at the moment, I only have two minor negative comments.
Why couldn't they offer the the LX trim in blue?
Why are the radio control buttons so small?
Styling? Yeah, it could be flashier, but I'll take substance over style anyday. The rear does remind me of a Passat. I have read some amusing posts of people complaining about the power. isellhondas is right, you can't please everyone.
The car is perfect for me, though I still wish I could have had one in blue.
I would get really annoyed if I couldn't get Covoc in Red. Even used 4 dorr civics look VERY good in red.. Ofcourse they can't give every color with their models....
He didnot want any common color like silver / white/black/dark green. Blue/Red wasn't available, so he got the plum. I developed liking for it after one week....
Regards,
Mark.
After one week, I am still getting used to it, but can't come up with any negative comments about the car. Myself on the other hand have turned into my grandfather when driving and parking as I am overly aware that I am driving a brand new car for the first time in over ten years.
wondering if anyone could point me to any
websites where I could place a free ad online
to sell my Civic?
Thanks!
I read the previous post about the remote keyless entry & splash guard and I decided to install them on my car, too.
I did find it strange that the low fuel warning light came on when it did as based on what the tank holds, what I was able to put in the tank, and gas mileage, I had about 90 miles to go before it would have run empty. That is unless I really screwed up the math somewhere; but I know I had at least 60 miles left.
I'm just wondering what kind of leverage we have here in demanding that they fix the gauge completely. Will we just have to accept a faulty car. What's the procedure in these types of cases? I'd appreciate anyone's response.
http://www.hparts.com/
http://www.partscheap.com/
My dealer explained that the Civic's efficient recycling of gas fumes required that there be more gas in the tank than if drivers were bringing the level down to a gallon or less.
I've noticed that after 6 tankfulls, the needle no longer falls below Empty but seems to fall from Full to Empty slowly and consistently. So, maybe the guage needs to be "seasoned" afterall...
I assume the dealer didn't inflate them to the recommended 30 psi. Makes me wonder about the quality of their service dept., although the same personnel may not be the ones prepping the car for sale. Or maybe they are.
Is it normal for Honda's to be sold with low tire pressure?
Civic EX later this week and I'm sure the dealership will ask the question as to whether I'd like to purchase an extended warranty for "peace of mind". I thought that's why I was buying this little car in the first place...{I'm trading in an Air Craft Carrier...I mean a Chevy Caprice Station Wagon.} I'm sure they'll try to hit me $1200-$1500 for the warranty. Any comments or experience here would be appreciated!
Dad: Extended warranties are always a debatable item, but it you decide you want it, keep this strategy in mind: you can buy it ANY TIME before the original factory warranty expires [3/36k], and from ANY dealer. Generally, I avoid these things for my Japanese cars, but I am considering it for our '01 Accord EX V6 [we plan to wear this one out]...but not for many months yet do I plan to make that decision, and when I do, it will be via a bidding process among dealers either by phone or internet. And NO WAY should this cost more than $1000 for maximum coverage on a Civic EX. Be patient, shop around, no reason at all to let the selling dealer's F&I person pressure you on this topic...turn a deaf ear. [There are also non-Honda warranties available, but that is a whole separate business - see the appropriate topics here on Edmunds, for more info than you will want to read in a single day...]
1) Things break and Honda parts cost a lot.
2) Resale value in a private sale with a couple of years and 25,000 miles of warranty is much better (these are transferable).
Good luck with the EX, I love my 01/LX
For civic u can do 650 or better. (I am not an expert on these prices though.) Better if you read the special forums on the topic.
I would advice to get warranty if you are getting good APR (like 4.9 5.9 etc) i.e lesser overhead due to warranty.
Averaged 34 MPG on the first tank of gas. I'll have to wait and see if the low fuel warning light continues to come on earlier than I would think.
-If you buy Japanese, you pay more but you don't need to purchase an extended warranty.
-If you buy American, you pay less up front but should buy the warranty. In my opinion, anyway.
Personally, I have much less cash available when I drive out of the dealer with a new car than 5 years down the road, so I don't mind paying less today and more later.
Since this wasn't my first new car purchase, I was already prepared (and expected) to receive their "Extended Warranty Sales pitch".
Just before signing the papers I realized he hadn't even mentioned it (shocker right?). When I asked him about it, he said he already added it to my contract at a discounted price. Now wasn't that nice of him, looking out for me like that.
Man I just wanted to leap across the desk and choke him. But instead I just shook my head disbelief and told him to remove it. They sure are gettin' crafty these days.
Just a "heads up".
Around town, I'm getting 32 mpg. Having recently filled my tires up to 30 psi, I'm curious about the next fill-up. Should be a bit better.
I did notice something this morning. The car seems quite quiet for a small vehicle until I get to about 70 mph, then it seems to revert to your typical small car noise at higher speeds.
I have not seen many on road and would like to see the actual numbers of production and sales vs. last year.
INKY
Steering is more precise & quick ratio than previous gen (Edmunds, Motortrend, RaodnTrack Reviews). New suspension looses to prev gen in slalom by 2mph which is still 3mph more than Sentra SE2.0 & much better than corolla s.
Styling is subjective but I think it looks more classy & upscale now. Civic was never a price leader up front. But after 5 years, cost of ownership & resale is what makes it look like a 'deal'.
The new Civic drives like a dream and handles even better than it did before. The front suspension changes made the car a better handler than before.
The trouble is, most of the improvements aren't that apparant.