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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,263
    the technology has come a long way since the '80's when you had to let the engine idle to cool down a turbo and they lasted about 100K miles. While I think MB's quality has suffered in the past few years, they still know engines and transmissions. MB wouldn't put a supercharger on the market that is unreliable and that wouldn't last.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • Can anyone tell me about the extra black plastic attachment on the driver side factory-ready wiper blade? It looks like it has a use to keep snow from building up underneath the wiper. I am changing the blades, and I don't know if that plastic attachment has a purpose in my climate (I live in Florida). I also gather that the 10k service does not include the replacement of the blades. Any thoughts on some good replacements, or does MB have a factory blade that I should stick with?
  • " plastic attachment on the driver side factory-ready wiper blade..." I thought it takes advantage of wind/air at speed to push the blade against the glass.
  • I think the black plastic thing is to keep the wiper blade firmly pressed against the glass while driving at high speeds. I changed my wiper blades once already and I tried to find aftermarket blades that would work, but there is another "gotcha" besides that black plastic thing. If you look closely the blades are actually curved in both dimensions. This makes them very custom, and the straight edge blades that you find at an auto parts store hit the rim of the windshield when installed. I would just buy them from Mercedes, they aren't that expensive if you just replace the blade itself, not the whole plastic assembly.

    I have 2 questions for the board. I have actually managed to put 63K miles on my 2002 C-240 in 2 years so the brakes are questionable and the windshield took a huge rock outside of DC a couple of weeks ago.

    I had the windshield replaced according to my insurance companies policy, and they put in a PPG windshield instead of the OEM windshield that was Pilkington. They assured me there is no difference. The windshield is great and I was relieved... until I tried the rain sensing wipers. I did specify a rain sensing windshield and the PPG glass supports it. My problem is that the rain sensor seems to behave erratically at best. It used to be perfect before I got the new windshield. I have a couple of questions:

    Has anyone had a similar situation?
    Is there some "setting" in the computer that a MB dealer could change to make the sensor work with the PPG windshield? (pure conjecture on my part)

    My next issue is regarding front rotors. I am moving the car to Maryland from New Hampshire and I have to have it inspected. It failed on first attempt because of thin front rotors. The inspection shop wants to replace the OEM rotors with Raybestos rotors. They claim the OEM rotors are thin to begin with and are not designed to ever be re-cut. The raybestos rotors are supposed to be better and last longer. The absolutely crazy thing here is that the Raybestos rotors are actually $20 more each rotor than the OEM Mercedes rotors. The guys at the shop were actually amazed that anything from OEM Mercedes could be cheaper than the aftermarket offering. They were willing to put on either but suggested the Raybestos for $140 per front rotor versus the OEM Mercedes for $120 per front rotor.

    Has anyone changed front rotors? Do you have experience with Raybestos rotors?

    I have been extremely pleased with the Mercedes OEM brakes. I feel like I have really put them through their paces (including emergency stops from 80MPH) with no warping or any problems. They have never felt unsure or soft. I hate to change when I have a good thing... but I suppose there could be better things out there?

    Should I give it a try?

    Please give me any and all feedback. I will report back with what I decide to do and how it turns out.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    I was wondering how you managed to get a reply back so quickly :-) 3-4 business days for a reply is not bad. FYI, you can speak to Lucien via MB Canada's phone number. I've always been impressed with MB Canada's prompt responses though. Usually I get one back the very same day! Like everything else, if you know who to talk to, you can get things moving along much quicker. The 3 hour time difference helps when I send something during the evening, and get a reply when I start the e-mail client the next morning :-)

    Banana belt? LOL, first time I've heard it referred to as that! I don't suppose you go to 3 point motors, do you? I happen to like the occasional snowfall. Gives me a chance to really play around with the ML's 4WD system. At the state our weather is in though, I almost think that I can get around in a C320 with winter tires! Nah wouldn't make it up the mountain where I live...give me back my 4-matic! ;-)

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  • paul_ppaul_p Posts: 271
    I live in southern New Hampshire near MA and although have limited info for you, have always found Holloway Mercedes in Manchester to be an informative source. Perhaps you have checked with them, if so please ignore. However, they have been servicing MBs for me since 1996 and I trust their judgement (as much as I would any other dealer). I've had very good experiences with Todd their Service Advisor.

    I would always go with OEM MB parts, unless they were ridiculously expensive. I had rotor warp on my 1995 C220 and decided against replacement until the linings were worn enough. I believe it was from washing the car and spraying water into the front wheels to clean them, a definite no-no after driving. So far on my 2000 C230 no such problem, I've been very careful.

    Good luck on the windshield, again I'd check with the dealership and see what they had to say. I prefer them because of their techs' years of practical and classroom experience. Also used to work in a dealership years ago, so I know it can be a con game. Just have to be careful, sometimes you don't know though. That's why these forums are great.. anyone else have some ideas??
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    Yes, I too would employ only the OEM MB factory rotors.

    Yes, they are indeed NOT designed to be cut or "turned", only replaced. This is the main reason the factory specifies the soft pads that so aggravate people with their massive amounts of dust. Harder pads solve that problem, but also wear out the rotors faster.

    I inherently distrust advice from third parties about current [late model] MB service issues. There are lots of good specialist shops out there who are very up to date on the latest service info, but the best ones are not much cheaper than most dealers. But "generalists" are to be avoided when servicing these cars. It's a classic case of penny-wisdom and pound-foolishness.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Posts: 2,363
    We are just coming up on 9500 miles on our '02 C240. It has had one oil change at about the 3000 mile point, but I deliberately did NOT have them reset the FSS, being curious what it would do about the first service.

    Until this week, it was indicating the next service at about 12000 miles, which was reasonable given the condition of the oil [which has been in the crankcase 6500 miles, most of that highway driving]. This week, the FSS suddenly indicates that the A Service is due on January 10, which I deduce is two years to the day the computer was fired up on the assembly line. [Our car was a Jan '02 Bremen build, but we did not buy it until mid-Sept of '02].

    Anyway, until now it had given no indication that it was aware of how much time had passed since the original fill of synthetic on the assembly line. Apparently, the default limit is 2 years, regardless of mileage, which makes good sense to me. Just an FYI...
  • I just purchased a 99 230K for my extra car. It came with an AM-FM radio. I would like to change it out for a AM-FM casette or AM-FM CD changer. Local big stores (circuit city, best buys) seem very hesistant to offer anything. The MB dealer will change it for 2 grand. I have read about fiber optic wiring being a problem, but I do not need the six CD changer, just an in-dash changer (or cassete) with radio. Does anyone have a suggestion?

  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    It is amazing the the previous owner drove the car for 4 years with only an AM/FM radio. Almost as amazing that a luxury car would be equipped that way in the first place. And the stereo doesn't even sound "that great" despite the fiber optic wiring, so I don't understand the purpose of it since it did not seem to enhance sound quality in any way.
    Isn't there a dealer-installed single-disc CD player add-on? If not, it should probably cost less than $1000 to add the dealer-installed trunk-mounted CD changer, but they will charge more if at all possible.
    I realize you did not "want" the CD changer, but this is the car you chose and your choices are now very limited.
    Cheapest option would be to live with it like the previous owner or bring a portable boombox you can plug into the cigarette lighter.
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    Are you sure it doesn't have a casette player? On the recent C-Classes the casette player is hidden behind the station id. I forget but you have to push something in to expose it. Secondly I think that you should be able to buy a compatable CD from Clair parts and from what I understand it's an easy install in the trunk. A friend of my did it to his '99 E Class.
  • mzzzzmzzzz Posts: 5
    Hi Guyz,
    Im reeeellly interested in buying dis 2001 C240 which is loaded wid evrything n has my favorite red colour too..only prob is it has 49k miles on it...da dealer aint goin down dan $22000..i reellly like it but am worried bout too many u guyz think its worth buying it??
    i'll appreciate if sumone gets bak to me soon.

  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    49K is over average mileage for a 2001, but not by that much. The only problem is that the factory warranty is almost over. Is it Star Mark Certifed with additional bumper to bumper warranty?
  • mzzzzmzzzz Posts: 5
    thanx for da dis car is not star marked n we mite have to buy extra warranty for nother $3000..we purchased carfax report n found out dis car was leased which again means da guy who drove it mite not have used premium gas too rite??
    so wut do u think? shud we buy it wid da warranty?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Hi mzzzz -- just a tip - your messages will be easier to read if you spell your words better. The way to get the best feedback is to make your message easy to understand. It takes some effort to figure out exactly what you are trying to say and that means many folks will just going skip it altogether.

    no wut I meen?

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Another tip -- hitting refresh causes your message to repost. Use the "Recent Msgs" link on the page bar instead.

    Did you see my message to you just above this one?

    Good luck - feel free to email me if I can help you with the logistics around here. Click on my name to get the address.
  • mzzzzmzzzz Posts: 5
    thanx for da dis car is not star marked n we mite have to buy extra warranty for nother $3000..we purchased carfax report n found out dis car was leased which again means da guy who drove it mite not have used premium gas too rite??
    so wut do u think? shud we buy it wid da warranty?
  • mzzzzmzzzz Posts: 5
    gotcha "no chat lingo here"

    oh sorry I hit refresh and it might be posting my mssgs twice..will take care from now..
  • mzzzzmzzzz Posts: 5
    u think if I dont take the extra warranty for my car that would be okie??..cuz as it is the dealer is asking atleast $22000 and if he adds warranty and taxes the final price goes up a lot..
  • robtroxelrobtroxel Posts: 103
    Hello all,
    I was one of the very early owners of the C-320(all options execept the phone) delivered in November of 2000. This car had over 30 visits for problems ranging from electrical to brakes, etc. I had expected so much more than what was delivered for $46,000. (in year 2000 dollars)
     The highlights were that this car was a great road driver with much more power than the 215 rated hp.(Knocking off 260 hp Infinitys was easy from the toll booths). At 44,000 miles I was getting 27 to 31 honest mpg on the open road at 65-70 mph. Long distance cruising and driving position was top notch, though the outside rear view mirrors we marginal in providing coverage in the blind spots. Winter traction was horrible and even poor in heavy rains.(225 50 contis)

    I was not sad to get rid of this car at lease end. I see 01 320s selling now for 23-25k, a far cry from the declared residual of 29,500. Consumer reports will not recommend the 01 C320 either because of the problems that surfaced. If any of you are looking a a used 01, my advice is to walk away unless you can get a full coverage warranty on everything, not just the drive train.

    I came from a Lexus to MB and happily went back to a Lexus 430 that while a bit boring, is perhaps one of the best made cars for the money

  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    Thanks for your honest assessment. Like they say ask the man who ones (or owned) one.
  • mleskovarmleskovar Posts: 171
    I hope the inferior ride is overcome by the reliability :-) Sometimes we forget that the object of a car is transportation. But I'm keeping my '01 C320....problems/visits in first year were discouraging but none since. I agree with all your experiences except the mirrors and we don't have 'weather' here so I can't comment on snow/wet handling. Good Luck!
  • hansenhansen Posts: 18
    I can share robtroxel's frustration after seeing my 2002 c320 in pieces after the car was rewired. Now the cupholder keeps breaking,

    However, nothing drives like this car, and the service at Laguna Niguel MB has been outstanding.

    What do you remember in this life?
    -Your best friend in high school who kept getting the two of you in trouble...
    -Your favorite dessert that probably clogs up your arteries with only one bite......
    -The person you love deeply who also drives you crazy...

    For some reason, everything in this world that takes your breath away seems to have a dark side. I think I'll keep my car for now.
  • mga3mga3 Posts: 51
    I also am leasing an 01 C320 which comes to an end in 15 months. Wondering what your end of lease experience was like? Any extraneous charges? Disposal fee and so forth. Overall experience, painless walkaway or a hassle?
    My lease was through Prestige of Paramus,NJ
    with MBCC. Would love to hear your insights and anything I should lookout for.Thanks
  • mbnut1mbnut1 Posts: 403
    I agree with the notion that the pleasure of driving experience outweighs the mentioned difficulties. The way I look at as nice and reliable as the Lexus are, no day would be a satisfying one.
  • mac320mac320 Posts: 147
    I do not know what "$46,000 (in year 2000 dollars)" means: we bought an '02 C320 with everything on it but the split rear seat--MSRP over $40K--for $37K.

    In '02, we could have bought the last model of the E320 for $45K. I think over $45K is more than anyone needs to pay for MB's C-Class but, dollars aside, I prefer the C320 to the much bigger cars like Es or LX430s. As far a bigger car like the LX430 is concerned, the latest E500 interests me a lot more.
  • robtroxelrobtroxel Posts: 103
    Thanks to all of you for your comments. I recognize many of you as early posters to this site.
    MGA3: MBCC sent an information packet out with a credit card size template. In short, if any damage was covered by the card, there was no problem. Things they look for are excess wear beyond normal usage, pock free windshields, no gold treatment on the emblems,and no scratches that go down to the metal. Door dings were ok and you need to have tires that have at lease 60 % of the tread left that are all of the same brand/size. An inspector came out about 20 days prior to note anything that needed attention so I could get it done before the return. He also reviewed of the service maintenence documentation. My car passed but he did note the paint chipping in the front end from 44+K miles and a small ding in the fender I never noticed.(Surprising since I'm the guy always looking for the end spot far from the front door at the malls we visit) The actual turn in took 15 minutes at my selling dealer.

    MAC320: My point to the dollars was that I paid full list for this car. (Yes it does cost to be the first) I wouldn't have minded if the car had been trouble free. Yes if you option out this car with command,GPS, full leather, C-1,2,3,4 with the sport option, its easy to get $46,000+ even in 2001. I'm happy for all of you that got a deal, in retrospect I should have waited.

    MBNUT: You are right about the road experience and time will tell though you need to try the LS series since it is turbine smooth, but does need a better tire wheel combo for better cornering performance.

    Hansen and other posters: You are right about that feel you get with the C Sedan. No ever wondered what it was and to the driver, it felt much larger from the front cockpit.

    Mlescovar: My dealer was great in helping fix what was wrong(Knauz in Lake Forest Illinois) I just couldn't keep taking time to take it in. By the way, the early builds of of 2001 240s and 320s did not have a working satellite unlock feature; at my insistence they fixed that by retrofitting a complete rear wiring harness/electronics. They dealers are aware of the serial numbers involved but never did issue a recall to those early buyers. I learned of this issue at this web site in Dec 2000.

    I may try again with the E series but I want to see if the quaility is better and the price is right. My motto: Never first at buying a new model series.

    Regards to all.
  • s852s852 Posts: 1,051
    That was way too much money even for a loaded 320. There are better cars available in the $45-50K price class. Probably better cars under $40K.
    If I were spending near $50,000, I would want something on a higher level than a C class.
  • valonvalon Posts: 22
    I got my car c230s port sedan in march also in prestige in Paramus and i can tell you mga3 that they are very professional and great help when i did need them, few weeks ago i had my passenger mirror broken and i went back there to get new one (expected to pay 300-500$) it coast me $110 and also they didn't charge me for label its second time that i did need them so far for minor problems but they always been great.
    Also im asking everybody here for a opinion, im having a chance to trade my c230 for a c32amg (all time favorite) new 03 left over and great price or should i go for 2003 clk320 regular also a left over both prices are very attractive buy.
     In the perfect $$$ world i would get a clk55 amg but that is out of question.
    thank you everyone that takes time to respond.
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