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Ford Focus Sedan



  • tomcat630tomcat630 Posts: 854
    Europe is now more than 10% automatics nowadays. Autoweek mentioned once its more like 25-30%.

    Anyway, dealers don't want to stock a 5 speed car, that will sit and sit and sit. Most "enthusiasts" who want one are picky and would probably not like the color, options, etc, anyway, so they'd end up ordering another.

    For every one "I demand a manual", there are 10-20 buyers of in stock auto cars.
  • buggywhipbuggywhip Posts: 188
    Sticks are dead. People are too busy with cell phones and CD players. No one wants to shift anymore. Personally, I can't wait to get a stick again.
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    I want one too. The 2.3 Focus is of interest to me, but I doubt I will find one. How can I search lots for one?
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    I don't know why, but Ford offers 2 web sites:

    and my favorite:

    and a dealer 30 miles from me has a ZX5 and a ZTS in the 2.3-manual variety... :) fortunately I prefer autos...
  • My 2001 Ford Focus ZTS with 58,000 miles has the engine ligh on with
    the P0171 LEAN 1 code.
    I have already replaced the Oxygen Sensor, EGR Valve, PDF Sensor, but
    the engine light still stays on. A mechanic also checked the
    vaccum,an it's OK.
    What else can it be????
    Any suggestions?
  • Just want to say that my 2001 Focus SE with the SOHC engine with 20k miles is doing fine. I did take her in for the recall about the rear wheel bearings and I did get the letter about a possible problem with the fuel pump. But I have yet to experience any problem with it. I did baby the car during the first couple of hundred miles. And I like using 5w-30, not 5w-20 oil. On the highway I get 34 mpg, averaging 60-65 mph., and I love the way the car handles.
  • hotx3hotx3 Posts: 71
    Have you talked to your dealer? I had problems about a year after I bought mine and they replaced the head (paid by Ford).
        Currently mine is at the dealer for frequently stalling as I would slow for a stop (It's a manual, and it would die when I disengaged the clutch. I noticed a funny sulfury smell the last time it happened.) They told me I need a new head gasket for $1600 (?, seems steep, I haven't seen the written estimate yet). This is a 4 year old car with less than 50K miles, conservatively driven. I really like it, but reliable it aint. Anybody have any thoughts about this diagnosis and estimate?
  • fdannafdanna Posts: 263
    If you had a leaky head gasket, you'd have more of a sweet smell and you'd see your coolant level dropping. Even if it is the head gasket, $1600 is insane and you should try another dealer or a local mechanic for a second opinion.

    Is your car part of the fuel pump recall (all cars made between 2000 and 2001)? You could check that
  • hotx3hotx3 Posts: 71
        You are right - no coolant loss or smell. I talked to the service writer today. He tells me the exhaust valves are unbalanced because of carbon deposits, and I need a new head assembly, to the tune of $2100! They got input from Ford, and supposedly ran tests to confirm the problem. I wonder why they can't clean the valves off.

        Also, I thought this was the same engine used in the Escorts, with good results. When the head was replaced in 2001, it took them several weeks to get one. I wonder if they didn't "improve" it somehow...

        Anyway, this is tough to swallow, especially since this is the second time in less than four years and I'm only working part time right now. I plan to spend some time with the service rep tomorrow to get some of these questions answered.

        BTW, it is covered by the pump recall, but the symptoms don't match very well.

        Thanks for your input. - Don
  • fdannafdanna Posts: 263
    Hey it really sounds like they're trying to screw you big time.

    Considering you're out of warranty, you should see if you can talk to an independent garage or another dealer.

    How can such a major item fail twice? Clearly had they done the job right the first time you wouldn't be in this position. See if you have legal recourse.
  • hotx3hotx3 Posts: 71
    The first time was under warranty, so I didn't pay. Ford parts get 12 months.

        This shop is better than others in the area, and the fix did last three years. I wonder if there's a design issue, but it's so hard to find out if others are having similar problems.
  • fdannafdanna Posts: 263
    Don't give the dealer the benefit of the doubt. Their goal is not to save you money. As you said, it's hard to find people with similar problems... this is not common and 3 years is not acceptable for an engine in a car that Ford says has a lifespan of 10 years or 150,000 miles.

    If this is the same repair that you already had done once, I'd say you have a strong case in small claims court. It's not reasonable to expect to expect that a repair of such a magnitude would last only 3 years and the dealer needs to take at least partial responsibility. Maybe if they DID do the repair right the first time, you wouldn't be in this position... especially if you can show that you haven't abused the car in any way.

    I would fight this all the way and get Ford involved at the highest level.

    Pffft, 50k miles on a car and you need $2100 in repairs... that's absurd.
  • w ell ,my lease is up on my focus.unfortunately i went over my milage so i have to buy the thing out.they tried to lock me into another lease on a new way.i am now trading it in for more fords for 3 years i've had this car nothing..nothing but problems and ford well once you have the car they don't seem to help you out at all.they don 't take responsibility for any of their cost me well over $800.00 for a badly designed fuel pump and almost my life when it stalled suddenly on a major highway.they said it wasn't under can look at the list of warrantee parts on a new focus and it will list all other pumps on the car except the fuel pump...anyways to all future buyers please look at other makes too,show ford that they have not yet achieved the level of quaility they think they have..i got rid of ford..i'm free.. freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
  • "you can look at the list of warrantee parts on a new focus and it will list all other pumps on the car except the fuel pump"

    If it is listed that way, it is because it is warrantied for 100,000 miles instead of 36,000.

    Now if you're from Canada, I have no idea what it might be.
  • trinity7trinity7 Posts: 18
    hi,my fuel pump broke at around was not under any other had a full 60,000km/3yrs warrantee..the power tran warrantee goes to 100,000km but mentions all other pumps except the fuel pump.i don't know about new cars but i'm sure with the bad publicity they are having with this recall, the new pumps they are putting in are probably warranteed forever(if they are smart)i had to pay for a new pump at 64000km along with hundreds of other owners i'm sure.with just over 4000km pass the warrantee i was told it was not covered by the full 60,000km one or the 100,000km warrantee.i hope this clarifies things for you..bye
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    not sure how it works in Canada, but in the U.S., you can be re-embursed for the cost as long as you have a receipt.
  • seminole_kevseminole_kev Posts: 1,722
    again, I may not have been clear above. Ford apparently issued a retroactive extended warranty that covers previous years Focus fuel pumps for (I believe) 100,000 miles. If this applies to Canada as well, you could be reimbursed for the cost of the having the fuel pump fixed/replaced even if it was long ago. I'd look into it if I were you. Want to say this came down the pike about 2 months ago at the earliest.
  • hotx3hotx3 Posts: 71
    You called this one right. The second dealer diagnosed the stalling as a combination of bad gas and the fuel pump. They replaced it under the extended warranty. It costs me just over $200, vs. the $2200 quoted by the first. By the way, the head put in three years ago is the most recent version, so it would have been (my) money down the drain. I am out about $150 for the first diagnosis and a fuel filter that was replaced again at the second dealer.
        So far the car runs fine.
  • haulthault Columbus OhioPosts: 126
    I don't know if this is FORD specific, but the so called stalling/fuel pump issue has occurred in other FORDs. I work in Ohio and the company I work for has a fleet of Crown Vic's. We have had some cars with the stalling problem. FORD dealer says it is "bad gas and/or fuel pumps." I suspect the screen FORD uses prior to entering the fuel pump is either too fine causing clogging and overheating /failure of fuel pump or the screen is too big allowing comtaminates to "damage" the fuel pump causing it to fail. Any one seen any tests or info on this problem.
  • fdannafdanna Posts: 263
    Glad that problem was finally cleared up. If I were you, I'd try to get my $150 back. I'd call customer service for Ford and tell them what they put you through and that they misdiagnosed a known issue and it cost you money.

    Of course, I'm a highly disgrunted Focus owner who will do anything to stick it to Ford royally... so that's just what *I* would do.

    Good luck.
  • Hello. Just a quick question. Inside my engine bay it says 5w-20 engine oil is required for the Zetec, but after I took my car for servicing they listed 5w-50 synthetic as the oil they put in the car. Do synthetic oils have a different rating system? what are the advantages of such an oil. I put synthetic on my brothers suggestion. Thanks.
  • carlrjrcarlrjr Posts: 35
    In my opinion, almost any synthetic oil would be better than 'regular' 5w-20. The only reason 5w-20 is recommended over the more standard 5w-30 is to save about .2 MPG on the government fuel economy tests.

    The viscosity rating system is the same for all oils; however, the synthetic oil flows normally at much lower temperatures and it holds up better in extreme heat, too.

    I don't know what part of Canada you're in, but if you never encounter temperatures below zero degrees F, 5w-50 synthetic is just fine. If you spend more than a day or ten below zero, consider using 5w-30 synthetic, at least for the winter months.
  • fdannafdanna Posts: 263
    Man, this oil debate is like beating a dead horse. I've never even heard of anyone getting any advantage from synthetic outside of a laboratory. Even still....

    5W-50, in my opinion is far too heavy for Canada, or most of the Northern US. The second number in the viscosity rating--the "50" in 5W-50, for example--tells you that the oil will stay thicker at high temperatures than one with a lower second number--the "30" in 5W-30, for example. What's really important is that you use the oil viscosity your car's owner's manual recommends.

    The thicker the oil, the more stress on the moving parts. This seems bad to me.
  • hmm interesting, I called up my dealership and they simply say 5w-50 synthetic is compatible in my engine so I guess i'll take there word for it. I did some research on my own and apparently that grade of oil is usually used in highly modified 4 cylinder engines with turbos. I guess thats why it's so thick the oil. Can anyone give me some real world benefits to this oil grade? if 5w-20 is supposed to increase fule economy, will 5w-50 reduce it? Is the engine smoother with either grade etc? Sorry if this has been discussed before I am new to this website. Thanks.
  • haulthault Columbus OhioPosts: 126
    Do to the tighter tolerances in the engine I would not want anything greater than a 30 weight oil. Although with synthetics it does not seem to matter as much. I use 5w-30 synthetic all year round in my Zetec engine. I'm hoping the synthetic will decrease the wear and extend my engine life. I'm shooting for 100-150,000 miles. As far as gas mileage goes I believe the difference is insignificant in real world driving. I believe the 5w-50 synthetic is some of the most expensive oil the dealer can sell. That's probably why they "recommend" it.
  • steve2675steve2675 Posts: 10
    My manufacturer warranty on my used 2001 Focus is due to expire in 500 miles.
    I have been experiencing trouble with squealing breaks, a shaking feeling in the car (feels like the car is going to stahl before I come to a stop), and a strange high pitch whistling sound that comes out of the engine upon acceleration and deceleration.
    I have taken my car to the dealership 3 times for all three items and nothing ever gets done. I drop it off before I go to work and by the time the technician gets to my car, he takes it for a drive and then says, "there's nothing wrong." These issues are happening. But, I don't think th dealership wants to touch these issues. For one thing, they won't get paid because its under warranty.
    But, I am getting extremely frustrated with the car and with the dealerships inability to be proactive and fix these issues.
    Its documented everywhere that the 2001 model is riddled with recalls. Yet, they say that my car doesn't qualify for any recalls because of when and where it was built. This is the worst experience I have had with an automobile that is only 3 years old. Believe me, I will not be purchasing another Ford in the future.
    If there are any thoughts or suggestions on what I could do, I would love to hear the responses.
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    Your problem is not with the Focus or the Ford Motor Company but rather the dealer. Would suggest you find another dealer where you may get more responsive service.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again...the dealer can make the car owning process good or bad. Your car has relatively minor're right, the dealer doesn't care!
  • steve2675steve2675 Posts: 10
    It's amazing, this particular dealership is rated at the top in customer service. I believe that to be true. However, my frustration is with the technician. They drive it, say there's nothing wrong and then the car sits all day until I pick it up. Interestingly enough, I have taken my car out for a test drive with 2 different technicians. The first time, of course, the car didn't act up. But, the second time the car acted up and the technician recognized all of them. Yet, nothing was fixed on the car. They stated that I had the updated brake pads, and there was nothing they could do about the squealing brakes. They said that the whistling sound coming out of the engine was a "characteristic" of the 2001 Ford Foci. And, they could not replicate the shaking feeling in the car.
    After reading all of these posts about the fuel pump going and other things Ford had to recall, I am concerned for my own car.
    Yet, the dealership has shown me 3 times that they cannot fix any of the typical "recall" items because my car was built at a certain time in a certain location and so it doesn't qualify for a recall.
    So, I will take my car to a different dealership and see if they are able to fix the car.
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