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2005 and Earlier Chevrolet Impala



  • mard22mard22 Posts: 4
    I have Goodyear eagle tires
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    When I replaced my original Goodyear Eagle tires with Dunlops, the noise level dropped substantially on my 2000 LS. Even my mother, who is partly deaf and not all that observant about things car-related, noticed right away!
  • tgp1810tgp1810 Posts: 112
    So what are the current incentives for both purchasing and leasing. I do get the GM employee discount - if that makes any difference.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Try the Michelin Harmony's. I replaced the Goddyears on my Impala with them and they are noticebly quieter.
    Got to and get the reviews from fellow drivers.
  • Is that there are no less than seven, yep count 'em 7, base prices for the base Impala for the 2003 model year.

    I've been looking to replace the Sihouette I have as a company car, and have been researching the Impala.

    Starting off the model year, the base standard vehicle price (before destination charge) has gone from:

    and the last I've seen is 21160 just today.

    That's a $695 price increase since October. I don't think the General is giving us back the coinholder and floor mats in the increase either.

    Also, there has been at least one bump up on the destination charge from $630 to $660 this year.

    When you run an invoice on Edmunds or anywhere else, you need to be sure the base prices match. I believe Edmunds only posts the latest one.

    This can bite you if you are looking at an early model year car using today's invoice prices. What you think is 100 over invoice may actually be closer to 1000 over!

    I'm afraid by the time I'm ready to buy later this year, the base price may be over 22k.

  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    That's why Edmunds also lists the retail price. IF the retail prices don't match, the invoice prices won't either.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    I am of the belief that GM has basically lost their mind.
    The price increases continue unabate adn the rebates continue unabated.
    The cars are clearly not worth what they are asking for them.
    Why not decrease the MSRP by 2 grand and run the occasional $500 rebate or low interest loan.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Because with the higher stated retail price, one can qualify for loans that you couldn't otherwise. Also, some people want that rebate in their pocket, and mistakenly believe it is money from heaven (they get to pay it back as part of the loan).

    Also $3000 off sounds ever so much better than a price that is $3000 less. Human nature.

    Chrysler started this back when it was near bankruptcy. Iacocca: BUY A CAR, GET A CHECK.

    It was years before it stopped.

    This time, note that the alleged foreign manufacturers are NOT having to do it. Only the Big Three are racing to the bottom. It may well take one or more of them to the brink of bankruptcy before it is over.
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Posts: 372
    And the never ending rebates and free financing are affecting the residual values of these cars. GM needs to realize this one way or another. While I think the Impala is a terrific product in many ways, but the resale value of this car is quickly deteriorating and it is sad to think that only after 36 months of service all you can get back is about 37% to 40% of original MSRP.

    Message to GM: Stop being the "Walmart" of the auto industry. Stop killing the resale value of your products with rebates, free financing and never ending fleet sales. Let your products stand on their own merits and quality not on fire sales!!
  • to justify a new one. I'm seeing 02 base Impalas advertised for 11k with about 20k miles or so. Rentals I guess.

    They're looking like a better alternative than new. Especially since I drive 40k miles a year.

  • garywgaryw Posts: 116
    The real problem is two-fold. First, GM charges too much for its core line products. The Impala should never sticker for $29K (LS w/sport app. package) or $26K for the "most wanted" LS package. How about $40K for a Park Ave. Get serious.

    Same is true for the new Grand Prix among others. Cadillac is the likely exception as their product line is about to become phenomenal.

    The first issue feeds the second, they need rebates to move the products. Over priced and crappy quality. The market corrects itself as soon as they become available used.

    Simple case study, read this months issue of Car and Driver on the new Acura TSX. The attention to quality and workmanship are amazing for $26,900 (w/an automatic).

    Ok, the TSX (or an Accord) is not my cup of tea, but if ever C&D or others were to write such glowing words about a GM product please sign me up. No matter what GM vehicle is reviewed there is always caveats about its interior or and workmanship.

    The solution is so simple for GM but for some reason they just can not execute. We wait and wait yet are contantly disappointed (or amazed).

    Bottom line is $28-$30K for a mid-size GM just ain't right. If they price the Malibu wrong you can bet your bottom dollar it will have rebate city on it very quick.

    My prediction is that the new Grand Prix has rebates by September...they are not moving. You heard it here first.
  • Been cruising around GM BuyPower site and came upon an Impala that is tough to sell:

    Base model
    Every Conceivable option including XM radio, and something called "Description not available" for $695

    list price $26231

    For a base Impala. I wonder if it was ordered and the customer backed out. LS models start out around $24.5K

    It has the oldest base price of 20465 so it must have been manufactured in say August or September.

    Like to see the floorplan cost on that one.

  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Posts: 372
    I couldn't agree more with your Gary. In fact, I paid a hair over $21K back in early 2001 to get my nicely equipped Impala LS. Today you are expected to pay over $23K+ for the same exact car, meanwhile the interior looks the same, the plastics are the same, the powertrain (Albeit excellent) is the same, the looks are the same, etc, etc.

    The Impala was a terrific value back in '99, '00 and '01 which was their introductory market period. these cars have become more and more expensive since the 2002 model year. Last year more fierce competitors have been introduced to the market with more power, world class safety and interiors for the same money or less.

    I think your analogy of the Acura TSX (Not my cup of tea either) brilliantly summarizes the ever present predicament of GM's bread and butter product...good quality, realible but nothing special at the end of the day...see my drift?
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    At the risk of boring you guys, I will reiterate what i have posted before.
    The 02's were 1K more than the '01's and the '03's were 1K more than the '02's and it looks like the '04s will start at 1K more than the '03's.
    Totally ridiciulous, especially in light of the 3K rebate.
  • garywgaryw Posts: 116
    I get your drift exactly. The asian cars bore me. Excellent cars they are but even the Maxima does nothing for me emotionally.

    I love the rumble of an American car...all of them. I need to feel attached to the car and the Accord/Camry/Mazda-6 etc. just don't do it for me.

    But we deserve better than what GM is putting in their cars. Hence, they don't sell. The Grand Prix is disappointing on so many fronts.

    The CTS is getting close but again it is will be $40K with the new engine this summer and the V-version will be $50K.
  • jpstaxjpstax Posts: 250
    Anyone seen the new Impala SS TV commercial yet? It features the Beach Boy's "409" in the background. Granted, the new SS should have a 0-60 time in the mid-6 second range (same as the 400 HP version of the 409 engine), but I think it's a stretch to imply the '04 SS is equal to the '63 one.
  • charts2charts2 Posts: 618
    I like the commercial.....brings back the memories! I think thats what Chevy is implying (nastalgia)....The Beach Boys song 409 actually refers to the 1962 Impala SS 409..A little history....The first Impala SS debuted in late 1961.. (few were made)...This 409 cubic inch engine was a high performance option......Engine came in 3 versions during its availability....1962-1964 were the heydays for the Impala SS 409....replaced during the 1965 model year with 396....The 409 was a very heavy and not so reliable were most big blocks back then....Most popular and cheapest version was the 340 horsepower 409 which many US police departments ordered back then (state troopers) had 409 equipped Chevrolet Belair cruisers..The 400 and 425 hp 409's (very few were made) With proper gearing, tuning, high octane gas and cheater slick tires these 409's could run high 12 second quater mile times, compared to 15 seconds for the new Impala SS..Back then a few stop light drag races usually ended their life early. For those of us that remember back in the 60's.....when our buddies had these new 409 Impalas, 396 Chevelles and 327 Chevy II'S...and they would lay 2 strips of burning rubber 100 feet long in front of our high school...I can still smell the smoke!! oh! the memories!!!
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    a guy at work today, DIEHARD GM fan, he's 34 and drives a LESABRE of all cars....loves GM to death, he even ripped Chevy a new one for waiting 5 years to get the supercharger on the Impala.
  • jpstaxjpstax Posts: 250
    I found the link showing the 1963 Impala SS equipped with a 340 horsepower 409 (automatic trans):

    As you can see (on page 2), it had a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds, which is equivalent to the '03 Buick Regal GS and Pontiac Grand Prix GTP cars, which come equipped with the supercharged 3800 Series II engine. The '04 Impala SS will have this same engine, and should have an equivalent 0-60 time (6.6 seconds) to the '63 Impala SS. I agree, it should have a 15 second (or less) quarter mile time.
  • charts2charts2 Posts: 618
    I probably read all the articles about these big block cars back then....Motor Trend did articles, Car and Driver, even Mechanix illustrated..... A few current modifications would turn the old Impala 340 hp 409 into a screamer today. Get rid of the 2 speed auto and 3:36 rear end that this test car came with, also the skinny 14" nylon tires,(you could smoke them for blocks) carburator, and outdated ignition system.....ADD 4 speed standard close ratio with 4:11 rear end, 16" or 17" lightweight wheels and quality tires, fuel injection system and updated ignition system would shave at least 6/10 sec off 0-60 and over 1.0 sec off the quarter mile.....Even the current 201-203 Impalas could be made quicker by changing from the current 3:05 rear end to the Police Package 3:23 rear end gears....I am sure if you wanted this you could get it...The Police are offered this because they carry several hundred pounds of equipment in these cars. This enhances their acceleration from a dead stop.. Going to this 3:23 ratio would lower fuel economy a little but make your 0-60 and 1/4 mile times quicker........maybe 2/10-3/10 seconds off 0-60....A few slight modifications in the current Impalas could equal what these new 204 Impala SS supercharged cars will do....
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    There are several Police packages.
    There is the 9C1 and there is also the 9C3 that has the 3.29 gear in it.
    The cars that are used for highway patrol work have the 3.05 gear. The around town cop cars(non pursuit) will usually have the 3.05.

    There is a company that makes a 3.69 gear and also a limited slip differnetial(Quaife among others).

    1999 Intrigues and 2000 and later cars with PCS have the 3.29 gear as well as the new Grand Prix GTP.

    It does make a noticeble difference. .2-.3 seconds in the 0-60 according to Oldsmobile.
  • khpchankhpchan Posts: 2
    If you own a Chevrolet Impala which its production was before August 2001, you could be vulnerable to costly transmission repairs.

    I am a 2000 Chevrolet Impala LS owner with 84000 km. I live in Canada. My whole transmission is broken (inside), and the torque converter is discolored (perhaps because of metal contamination) and swollen. Everything is either damaged or burnt inside. I have to pay thousands of dollars to replace a new one.

    During the process, I have found a valuable document published by GM Fleet that they have already acknowledged that there may be a design defect in all Impala's 4T65-E transmissions production prior August 2001. Most importantly, they are fixing it under warranty repair for their fleet customers. Perhaps I am not a fleet customer or whatsoever, I have to pay my own repair costs and have had the worst dealer experience you could have imagined.

    So what I am trying to do here is to recommend all Impala owners to do the following: Check if there's metal contamination in the automatic transmission fluid. If the automatic transmission fluid is black, there's sign of metal contamination inside your transmission. You could check that by using the dipstick, or even ask a technician to open the fluid tank (or whatever that calls which hold the transmission fluid). If you find the color is black, you could contact me by e-mail.

    If you don't do it immediately, you could feel sorry for yourself and perhaps you family. It is because the transmission could break down completely without any hints when you are driving 60 mph (100 km/hr) and your family is abroad. The best case scenario is that you pay only thousands of dollars to replace a new one. I am very serious, and I urge you to act immediately because it is about your safety, your money and most importantly the safety of those who you love.

    My name is Mr. Chan. My e-mail address is
    The link of the document is: Education_and_Events2/Law_Enforcement_Group_Conference/Manufactur- er_Presentations/GMLEG.ppt
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Posts: 372
    Well, I guess thanks for the heads up. My '01 Impala LS (April 2001 build date) has been flawless up to this point (Well I had my upper thermoplastic manifold replaced back in December)but as far as the transmission goes, I haven't had any is smooth as silk. I will however check the transmission oil dispstick to see if I detect anything unsual. I am in the process of selling the car now (It has 21K miles)so it is very unlikely I'll get the dealer to do a transmission flush and filter replacement, which I had plan on doing by the time the car had reached 25K miles, if I had decided to keep it for long.

    I am not sure if this is a frequent problem as several GM full size front wheel drive sedans currently use the 4T65-E 4-speed slushbox. These include the Buicl Lesabre, Regal, Century, park Avenue, Pontiac Grand Prix, Bonneville, Oldsmobile Intrigue, Chevy Impala, Montecarlo.

    Anyway, the heads up is appreciated.
  • drivinisfundrivinisfun Posts: 372
    Today I checked the transmission's oil dispistick and everything looks perfect. The oil quality is clear as a whistle (Normal Cherry color) and the level is also perfect. I checked the oil with a hot engine, car in park (idling) on a level surface per instructions.

    No problems whatsoever in my end with the transmission in my '01 Impala LS with 21K miles.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    and the same here on my 00 LS with 123,000 miles!
  • ratoxratox Posts: 12
    I just spotted my first Impala LSX at the local dealer. It has a SLP (the folks who did the Camaro SS) conversion sticker on the window. New grille, chrome wheels, SS-like Impala script on the side, except it says LSX. Totally different rear spoiler and rear panel. Body colored center section with small holes for the lights and the outer portion of the tail lights remain exposed. Looks better than the Sport treatment, IMO. The mesh grille looks great. I think it was around $2500 extra. Too much for just cosmetics. It was a base car with the 3.4L engine.

    It needs the Stage 1, 2, or 3 packages.

    There was a Monte Carlo LSX, also. It seems that SLP must be distributing these to dealers.
  • jpstaxjpstax Posts: 250
    Why buy an LSX when you can get an '04 Impala SS (or Monte Carlo SS supercharged) with the 240 horsepower engine (15 more than the Stage 3) for probably the same, or a little more $$?
  • 3871338713 Posts: 26
    Do you guys remember the LS1 V8 Impala prototype a couple years ago? Do you believe that engineering difficulties killed this idea, or do you think the Pontiac guys would have a fit if Chevy made a V8 Impala? I can't imagine any difficulties whatsoever in putting at least the series III supercharged engine in this car.
  • b4zb4z Posts: 3,372
    Transaxlle couldn't handle the torque.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    ...nor could many of the current customers! :)

    Teasing, I think...
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