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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Well, that surprises me a little since I think the 3.5 was designed to be a north-south engine, but...okay. The 3.5 is (was) a nice design and was actually quieter and had less internal friction that the 3.2 Acura motor. The 3.5 was a aluminum block. I don't know if Chrysler would do aluminum in a mini-van power plant.

    Of course the 3.5 is a member of the 3.3 and 3.8 family and like just about all Chrysler design produce a fair more torque in the lower band than most.

    Ah, yes, the polyhead 318. Beautiful engine. Exceptionally high on torque. The New York State police used them in '63 and '64 Belvederes. Other than breaking a distributor drive gear once in a while I don't think we ever had one apart except to adjust the lash on the mechanical valve lifters.

    Dusty
  • fred222fred222 Posts: 200
    Well, that surprises me a little since I think the 3.5 was designed to be a north-south engine, but...okay. The 3.5 is (was) a nice design and was actually quieter and had less internal friction that the 3.2 Acura motor. The 3.5 was a aluminum block. I don't know if Chrysler would do aluminum in a mini-van power plant
    The Pacifica has the 3.5L engines mounted sideways and I am pretty sure that they are Aluminium. It fits supprisingly well, much better than the 3.2L in my Intrepid. I would like to see the 3.5's (or variant there of) drop down to 87 octane like the 3.2's. These are very nice engines.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    First to get its own Problems and Solutions for 2005+

    Congrats, hopefully Edmunds will soon list it under "Minivans" to help inform potential buyers.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    There are many many posts in Honda forums as compared with most other car companies. They are dividing up several of the forums in order to make information easier to find.

    You SURE ARE PROUD to slam the Honda based on posts, even though socalwad has explained several times that there are more Honda posters in general on this site, so the higher numbers on one forum doesen't reflect the total number of problems in any way. But you already know that (or should given the number of times it has been explained to you).
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    That people who don't even own Odyssey's but other Honda products can post with such knowledge.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    First to get its own Problems and Solutions for 2005+

    Congrats, hopefully Edmunds will soon list it under "Minivans" to help inform potential buyers.


    Yep we are a well informed bunch. With the small amount of traffic on the DCX van boards I'm suprised they don't just shut em down!! ;) I not seen many Prices Paid for the DCX(last post 12/18 2005 with any real pricing info) maybe they are only being bought by fleet(cause just as if there's lots of post for HOnda then there must be lost of problems so if there's no prices paid for DCX they must not be selling any cars)? As for me if I'd post a issue on a forum I'd sure post there first! Notice the amount of Prices paid in the Ody Forum(7 real prices in the last 3 days). It's been my experience that Forum problem are much different then real life problems. Of course when thats all ya got, keep pushing it!! Sometimes people will cling to anything to make themselves feel better!!
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    That people who don't even own Odyssey's but other Honda products can post with such knowledge.

    I would find it amazing if I knew what you were talking about!! All I know that if you were trying to catch a fish you would find a way to use Stow & Go to do it. Heck its better than a fishing rod! :P
  • hayneldanhayneldan Posts: 657
    DCX 407,530 Odyssey 174,275 as of Dec 05
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Notice the amount of Prices paid in the Ody Forum(7 real prices in the last 3 days).

    When you're thinking of buying an outrageously price item, Ody buyers search the nation looking to save a few hundred dollars. It's amusing to see people driving out of state looking for a deal, mostly due to arrogant dealers.

    I get a chuckle from Ody posters saying Honda stands behind it's product and imply that no other companies do. Sorry, but ALL automotive companies and dealers are run by HUMAN BEINGS. There are many cases where DCX stands behind their customer, and many where they don't - and sometimes the customer is wrong (no matter what they think).

    I also find it odd that Edmunds creates this new Thread for Ody but it's put in Repair and Maintenance, whereas all other Minvan problems are here under Minivan??? I'm sure it's just a slip up on Edmund's part.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I would find it amazing if I knew what you were talking about!! All I know that if you were trying to catch a fish you would find a way to use Stow & Go to do it. Heck its better than a fishing rod!

    Just think.....you go fishing with your 6 best friends, catch a ton of fish. Where do you put em? You have your Stow N Go filled with the optional bins, and also the 3 row bin. You fill em with ice to keep the fish fresh til you got home to cook em!!! The perfect fishing vehicle!!!
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    DCX 407,530 Odyssey 174,275 as of Dec 05

    Rental fleets: DCX 312,123; Honda 0.

    Just joking.
  • jipsterjipster Louisville, KentuckyPosts: 5,441
    I knew it wouldn't be long before you boys got back to scrapping. But, you did go thru almost 2 weeks of withdrawal...which is pretty good...I guess.

    I read the other day that GM is planning to lower the price on most of their lines of vehicles, so as to rely less on incentives and rebates. Anyone know if Chrysler or Honda is planning on the same?
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    When you're thinking of buying an outrageously price item, Ody buyers search the nation looking to save a few hundred dollars. It's amusing to see people driving out of state looking for a deal, mostly due to arrogant dealers.

    There you go again taking a few isolated incidents and trying to make it look like the norm. Well at least your consistant. Arrogant dealers are from all makes!

    get a chuckle from Ody posters saying Honda stands behind it's product and imply that no other companies do. Sorry, but ALL automotive companies and dealers are run by HUMAN BEINGS. There are many cases where DCX stands behind their customer, and many where they don't - and sometimes the customer is wrong (no matter what they think).

    Oh so now they are all human beings I thought the Honda Dealers/Corparate was worse. I guess you want it both ways. So were you for it before you were against it??

    I also find it odd that Edmunds creates this new Thread for Ody but it's put in Repair and Maintenance, whereas all other Minvan problems are here under Minivan??? I'm sure it's just a slip up on Edmund's part

    Yep first CR then the other rags now Edmunds are all on Hondas side.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    knew it wouldn't be long before you boys got back to scrapping. But, you did go thru almost 2 weeks of withdrawal...which is pretty good...I guess.

    I'm not scrapping just trying to get some gum off my shoe! :shades:
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    I read the other day that GM is planning to lower the price on most of their lines of vehicles, so as to rely less on incentives and rebates. Anyone know if Chrysler or Honda is planning on the same?

    Chrysler and Ford have been trying to do this for the last two years. They really aren't lowering prices, just lowering MSRP and NOT offering as many incentives. Ford and DC haven't had the best of luck with this program on their older vehicles, but it is working better on the fresh products. I assume that's the route GM will be trying. It's sort of the opposite of what they've been doing. For the last four years, GM continually raises incentives and MSRP almost the same amount.

    Honda won't be doing this because they don't offer incentives (or very few) anyway. Honda has, IMHO, the best inventory management of any car manufacturer. Even their year-end models rarely require big incentives because they control supply closely. When my family had a Dodge dealership (before the current cut-throat under invoice sales tactics required to move metal) it always sucked when the new models would be released because a truck would show up with your allocation of new models. Nothing better than getting 10 new-year models when you already had 10 of last-years sitting on the lot. That was back when $1,000 year-end rebate was a lot.
  • jipsterjipster Louisville, KentuckyPosts: 5,441
    Yes,I meant lower MSRP ...not prices. Thanks

    I think it's a good marketing strategy to MSRP below the competition to begin with (look at Kia). Perhaps 2k with DCX minis to begin with...then maybe add a 1k rebate at end of year for all the people who love a "sale". Whenever the car mags review vehicles, they always compare comparably equipped vehicles MSRP...not actually selling price. From what I have read...comparably equipped DCX and Honda minis are priced(MSRP) very close.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Oh so now they are all human beings I thought the Honda Dealers/Corparate was worse. I guess you want it both ways. So were you for it before you were against it??

    Ohhh no, I just saying they're all about the same! There's good and bad in all of them. Please note that I'm not calling Ody owners human beings though - just to clarify that :P

    Yep first CR then the other rags now Edmunds are all on Hondas side.

    Just seems funny how this happens.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Just seems funny how this happens

    Seems funny that you would look at it that way. I take most things for what they are, but some people try to read into every action.
  • socalawdsocalawd Posts: 542
    Just think.....you go fishing with your 6 best friends, catch a ton of fish. Where do you put em? You have your Stow N Go filled with the optional bins, and also the 3 row bin. You fill em with ice to keep the fish fresh til you got home to cook em!!! The perfect fishing vehicle!!!

    Huh I guess you don't mind a fish smell in your car. I'll use a ice chest. But as usual shows you the determination involved in trying to make stow and go useful!!
  • My 2003 Chrysler T&C minivan had the ENGINE REPLACED at 14k miles! That was the first trip to the dealer, on the third trip to the dealer for a failed wheel slip sensor, the dealer couldn't give me a loaner because he had SIX transmission jobs waiting ahead of me!!!!!!!!Yep,you guessed it ALL Dodge/Chrysler minivans. (6 on the same day, what does that say for reliability?) The friend who talked me into buying the van was driving on the interstate (after I bought mine of course) when his Dodge grand caravan (same engine and drivetrain as T&C)transmission failed at 56k miles. I just traded the T&C with 44k miles in on a 2006 TOYOTA RAV4. Didn't need all that space anyway.
  • ClairesClaires Chicago areaPosts: 1,222
    As stated by the host in the Odyssey Problems & Solutions board, the software's been glitchy and has prevented this discussion from being copied here so far, but it's being worked on.

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    Need help getting around? claires@edmunds.com - or send a private message by clicking on my name.

  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    Yes, the DCX vans still suffer from the transmission problems I encountered in my '93 DGC. I was told my posted information was no longer valid because it was outdated. Of course it was the DCX crowd making that claim. Now they will come on here and say that seven faulty transmissions are but a drop in the HUGE DCX production. They will also tell you that one faulty Odyssey part is representative of a entire model generation's (and the one after) parts. Go figure.

    It is as I and many of my friends and relatives, all former DCX owners have been saying for many years: If you want a reliable, quality vehicle do not think DCX.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    For balance....This is my 3rd very trouble free DCX Minivan, and I have many friends and relatives that all have very positive experiences with DCX Minivan.

    I can easily say the same negative things about Odys "still suffering from transmission problems", or needing engines replaced based on Ody posts. I won't say 7 trannies are a drop in a bucket but will point out that the highly touted and pricey Odys don't seem to be any better than DCX's van, and one could even make a point that the current gen is worst than DCX's.

    I will also say that when you see post after post on Ody problem areas i.e...windshield noise, brake issues etc....People could assume that Honda doesn't care much for their customers, having not fixed 05 MY problems for 06 buyers!

    My final point is, people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones!!! I think if I truly wanted to spend $30k on a high quality minivan - I'd have a Sienna in my driveway over any other. Fortunately, I only had to spend $20k for one - my DCX van!
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Huh I guess you don't mind a fish smell in your car. I'll use a ice chest. But as usual shows you the determination involved in trying to make stow and go useful!!

    No determination needed, I think the sucess of "Stow N Go" speaks for itself, and I'm sure Honda/Toyota are desperately trying to bring out a version themselves.

    The only odor I'd truly be concerned about would be if one of my friends was an Ody owner (usually what they say smells fishier than the real fish!).
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    My 2003 Chrysler T&C minivan had the ENGINE REPLACED at 14k miles!

    I can beat that!! One 2005 Ody owner had his engine replaced at 700 miles!!! Well, that was his claim.....you never know on these boards, but as long as we're bashing, I'll go for balance here!!!
  • artgpoartgpo Posts: 483
    I can easily say the same negative things about Odys "still suffering from transmission problems", or needing engines replaced based on Ody posts.

    You are one of the most continuously negative Odyssey bashers on this forum. You never miss the chance to bash Honda without having had first hand ownership experience. Others of us who have owned both brands, DCX and Honda, you dismiss. You cannot have it both ways.

    I will never buy another DCX product unless they are bought out and owned by an Asian company.

    I tried for years to keep my automotive dollars here in the USA. Every time, except for a '97 Windstar, I got beat over the head by Detroit junk. I will concede the mechanical reliability of USA nameplates has gotten much better. The fit, finish and build quality is still light years behind Honda, Toyota and now Kia and Hyundai.

    I consider myself to be highly qualified to make posts on these forums due to my ownership of almost every nameplate over the years. I post only actual owner experience, not some assumed condition of a rival nameplate.
  • jipsterjipster Louisville, KentuckyPosts: 5,441
    "the dealer couldn't give me a loaner because he had SIX transmission jobs waiting ahead of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

    Thats what the dealer "said" right? Sounds like your dealer may have been trying to get out of providing a free loaner. Budget or Enterprise must have run out of rentals due to the run on bad transmissions. ;)
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    You are one of the most continuously negative Odyssey bashers on this forum. You never miss the chance to bash Honda without having had first hand ownership experience.

    Sorry but defending DCX against outright bashing by pointing out identical Honda problems is not bashing in my book. Just because you may have had problems with a domestic brand, doesn't mean you can paint them all as troublesome, like you accuse me of doing!

    I have owned VW, Ford, GM, BMW, Acura and Honda brands, so can I defend DCX now?? Am I now qualified or are you dismissing my opinions and experiences? FYI - I even work in the automotive industry for a supplier to ALL OEMs, not just domestics.

    The fit, finish and build quality is still light years behind Honda, Toyota and now Kia and Hyundai.

    Light years? What basis in reality is this? My DCX van is tight as a drum. I'm sure this isn't bashing at all, but if I point out examples of actual poor fit and finish on an Ody, from actual owners (who aren't as qualified as others to post their problems I'm sure!!) then I'm the one bashing huh?

    Based on your comments about your 93 Caravan, I could say all Hondas are complete junk because my 1979 Civic had rust and mechanical problems, therefore ALL Hondas will forever have them!!!
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Thats what the dealer "said" right?

    Bet this dealer will be in business for a long time with customer service/attitude like that! I can't imagine a dealer actually saying something like that.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,238
    Bet this dealer will be in business for a long time with customer service/attitude like that! I can't imagine a dealer actually saying something like that.

    Well it's certianly not the best attitude, but these guys do get frustrated when they see the same problems piling in time after time. When my family had the Dodge dealership, I don't think we had a single mechanic that drove a Dodge product. At least nothing relatively new. Some of them had some old iron they knew they could keep running for cheap. It was very frustrating through the 90's when the tranmsissions were failing repeatedly. While the problems of any brand aren't tremendous these days, when you're in the shop repairing them, you start to think they're all junk. It's common for mechanics of one brand to not want anything to do with the brand they work on. It's mental.
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