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Buick Rainier, Chevy TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy



  • erikheikererikheiker Posts: 230
    Having just done my first oil change on my 04 Envoy I discovered there are no zerk fittings on the front suspension. While this may save me a few minutes each time I change the oil it's going to take me way more time to replace the front end components that will certainly wear out prematurely. What kind of distance are others getting out of their front ends before parts are being replaced?
  • I use to always change my own oil etc. but at 70+ years I am getting a little long in the tooth (and lazy) to crawl around under the TB. Getting under there and changing the oil is fine, but getting back up is a b****.
  • allenrallenr Posts: 83
    Had the same problem in my 02 Bravada, would take forever to full the tank, always back splashing over everything.
    It got to the point the dealer replaced the gas tank and filler pipe. It still splash gas back out the filler pipe.
    The final solution was to replace the charcoal canister and vent line. It was full of fuel and couldn't vent the tank when filling. Have the dealer check it out.

  • ross1962ross1962 Posts: 229
    Thanks, I appreciate the response. I seem to remember someone mentioning the charcoal canister in the past. That must be it.
  • rick2456rick2456 Posts: 320
    Hi all,

    I have a 2004 4WD Isuzu Ascender, an GMC Envoy clone. Base on the problems I have read on this forum, I feel fortunate. Engine (4.2 6cyl) is smooth as silk, mileage is decent for an SUV (16-21), and it is fairly comfortable vehicle to ride in. Other than a CD/radio that gets hot at night due to the display lights, I have had no problems with this vehicle. Knock on fake wood. I do wish it was a bit more stable when cornering and have been considering upgrading the sway bars that many on here have done. Fortunately the Isuzu warranty is 3/50k miles(bumper to bumper) and 10/75k (powertrain) thus, if anything bad does occur, I am cover for a couple more years and more on the powertrain. I only have to hope Isuzu stays in business, LOL.

    My question to the forum is, "Has anybody else had a problem with the radio/cd player overheating at night? " And if so, what was the fix? Thanks.
  • 01_hoe01_hoe Posts: 273
    Another item to consider to make the vehicle more stable when cornering is to get the Ground Force lowering kit. I have it on my '03 Envoy, and drove an '05 Envoy last week. My '03 handles much better when cornering.
  • tblazedtblazed Posts: 945
    Has anybody else had a problem with the radio/cd player overheating at night? " And if so, what was the fix?

    Try turning the intensity of your instrument panel lights down to about half. The bulbs will run cooler, and last a lot longer too.
  • ross1962ross1962 Posts: 229
    Has anybody else had a problem with the radio/cd player overheating at night? " And if so, what was the fix?

    Try some light jazz. ;)
  • shorty101shorty101 Posts: 30
    I have driven just about every SUV out there and at this point I have it down to two (Jeep Grand Cheorkee and the Buick Ranier). One of my choices is the Buick Ranier. I am concerned about they type of ride it will deliver over the long term. The amount of comfort in the front seat and the amount of wind noise. I currently have a 2002 Trailbalzer. I have not been satisfied with it because of the same concerns I have listed above. The Buick sales person that I have talked to assured me that I want have the same problems with the Buick. I can't see how I would not because they are built on the same platform. I don't want to drive four more years with the same problems. I was just wondering if anyone out there had a Buick Ranier and how they like it. Your comments and help would be greatly appreciated.
  • adamjeepsadamjeeps Posts: 56
    Shorty, I have an 03 TB. I have heard from about all reviews that the Ranier is one of the quietest SUVs on the market. The rear suspension is air-controlled, making the ride even better then the TB. I agree the cloth seats are huge but provide little support, but the leather seats are better. The Buick also has been quiet-tuned, with more sound insulation and a laminate on the glass for further noise suppression. I'm sure the dealers would let you keep both for a day or 2 to compare. Good luck.
  • tblazedtblazed Posts: 945
    With your experience with the '02 TB, you should be able to tell the differences right away, if the Buick "Quiet Tune" makes enough difference, and if it's improved enough overall after 4 years building these things.

    How many months supply of Rainiers does GM have sitting on lots? I know the Arlington, TX GM Full-size SUV factory has been scheduled to be shut down for 6 weeks so far this year because of excess inventory.

    Don't they allow test drives? Maybe you should ask the dealer for the GM 24 Hour Test Drive being promoted a while back.
  • 01_hoe01_hoe Posts: 273
    While looking at the Buick Rainier, you might also consider the new GMC Envoy Denali that is on the GMT360 chassis. I drove one last week and it is quieter than my '03 Envoy.
  • My 02 TB has 16.5k miles and the doors are starting to rust. The inside bottom seam which runs along the bottom of the door is starting to rust. At first it started to bubble now I see actual rust all along the seam. My 3 year warranty is up in July. I am planning on taking it in to the dealer but I am not sure what the best fix would be. Should I demand a new door or let some body shop flunky grind away at my door. I shoud have listened to my older neighboor who said he always squirts oil onto the doors on all of his new cars to prevent rust.
  • hammen2hammen2 Posts: 1,313
    Don't all GM vehicles have something like a 5 year 80k rust warranty? Call up Chevy customer service and document this. I'm sure they will want you to take it into the dealer...

  • adamjeepsadamjeeps Posts: 56
    First, I would graba a rag and thoroughly wipe down the ninside and outside edges of the door to make sure it is rust and not road grime. If it is rust, take it in and get some answers. Do you live up north, btw?
  • ndmike88ndmike88 Posts: 155
    Check the drain openings. They might be plugged.
  • shorty101shorty101 Posts: 30
    Thanks for the information and the advice. I will ask my local dealer if I can drive one for several days.
  • shorty101shorty101 Posts: 30
    I am not sure how many months supply of the Buick Ranier is out there. I will do some more research. I know that at the two dealership that I visted in Baton Rouge, LA I saw a total of six. Five 2005's and one 2004. I was very quickly given a quote of invoice minus rebates for a 2005. I am pretty sure that one of the local dealers would let me take it over night. Thanks for the help
  • It is definitely rust and I take extra good care of the TB. The TB looks still looks like new.
    I do live in the northeast but it must be from water not draining properly or to much is getting in through the window seal. One rear door is the worst, the other rear door is starting and on of the front doors is starting also. The warranty on cosmetic rust is 3/36k and the rust through warranty is 6/100k . it wont rust through in 6 years but it will be hard to sell
  • imadad2imadad2 Posts: 79
    I was reading about how GM and Ford are losing market share and screaming poverty. They are blaming it on gas prices and other things. I blame it on styling and quality. The Triplets are the only SUV that turns my head that GM makes. The Suburban, Tahoe, and Yukon are bland. The Tahoe actually is a better family vehicle, but the design is old.

    Reading this board, the triplets have a ton of issues. Not big ones, but little ones that drive people insane. I had to resolve the wind noise in my TB myself. What does that say about GM? I love Chevy's. However, if I was given the same price on a Trailblazer or a 4Runner, I'd take the Toyota. The styling is better, and the quality is better.

    GM and Ford need to get their heads out of their (insert expletive) and get some styling changes made and solve their quality issues. I really like the Chevrolet HHR and the Trailblazer SS models coming out, but if they are asking huge dollars for them, I don't want them.

    I bought a TB because of the huge discounts GM was offering. It was all about the money. GM has lost its luster, and I am afraid it can't get it back until they make a vehicle that never has problems. They don't even come close at this point.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    There's a recent thread along these lines by one of our editors over in Karl's Daily Log Book. Recommended!

    Steve, Host
  • ficussficuss Posts: 541
    imadad, I had felt a pain similar to yours for some time, until I had a very painless procedure called a 2002TBectomy. The procedure called for a short ride to a Mitsubishi dealer in Park Ridge Il. The highly trained sales staff scrubbed up and sharpened their pencils to remove the GM tumor from my life. My new 2005 Mitsu. Endeavor LTD has all the style I liked about the TB, but lacks the troublesome hi tech gadgetry GM attempted to use. The steering is tight and responsive. The engine is of a proven design and has more power than is needed. The full time 4wd negates the need for a demand switch which fails as with the TB. It comes standard with a 315 watt Infinity stereo with 6 disc storage. This is a crossover SUV, meaning it is built off a car chassis rather than a truck chassis. The ride is more car like than truck like, which makes it much superior to the TB. I have driven it for a nearly a month now and have found nothing to call the dealer about. At about $8K less than the top of line TB, the Endeavor Limited is a much better value for the money. Resale values should be about the same for each in 4 years. The Endeavor has a 10 yr. 100K drive line warranty, a 5 yr. bumper to bumper warranty and a 5 yr. no cost service policy. Everything called for in the owners manual is included for free.
    This is a made in the U.S.A. vehicle and is a great alternative to the tripletts. The only shortcoming as compared to a TB is the out of door towing capacity. It comes short.
    BTW, the reason I am still here posting is that no-one has anything much to say ( complain about) about 2005 Endeavors.
  • sabotagesabotage Posts: 15
    I have heated mirror's, if I buy TB mirrors with the turn signals on it, is it just simple plug and play and is the same wiring used for both heated and turn signal?? Thanks a million!!!
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    You bought a gorified car, not in the same class as the TB. No 2 speed transfer case no real off roading ability and best yet why do you think you got that big warranty. Read up on how MItsu screwed their customers for years in Japan and around the world with inferior products in which they hid from the government problems and in Japan they have lost so much market share from the shoddy vehicles that they are rolling over backwards trying to get customers back. Good luck, you may need that warranty. :P :lemon:
  • sabotagesabotage Posts: 15
    I agree with him also, less torque, horsepower ETC...
    Engine Type: V6 V6 V6

    Engine Block: Cast Iron Cast Iron Cast Iron

    Cylinder Head: Aluminum Alloy Aluminum Alloy Aluminum Alloy

    Displacement (liters): 3.8 3.8 3.8

    Horsepower @ rpm (SAE net): 225@5000 225@5000 225@5000

    Torque (lb-ft @ rpm): 255@3750 255@3750 255@3750

    Redline (rpm): 6200 6200 6200

    Bore and Stroke (mm): 95.0 x 90.0 95.0 x 90.0 95.0 x 90.0

    Compression Ratio: 10.0:1 10.0:1 10.0:1

    Valvetrain: SOHC 24-Valve SOHC 24-Valve SOHC 24-Valve
  • ficussficuss Posts: 541
    Where do you think a TB can go with about 5 inches of front end to pavement clearance? As far as not being in the same class as the TB, you are correct and I am happy to upgrade. This is my 2nd Mitsu. product, the first being a 99 Diamante. Four years of leasing the Diamante caused me 1 trip to the dealer, to replace a bad horn, 1 of 2 went out. I suppose the Chevy Vega was a blessing to the American public as was the G.M. V8-6-4 engine. Let's see, the Corvair was a real safe car to ride in, especially the back seat. The 10 yr. 100k mile warranty is insurance that repair costs will be bourn by the responsible party, not the innocent dupe who buys the poorly engineered product. I suppose you would rather buy a car with no warranty, implying that the car must be perfect. If I make a good product, I would gladly provide a long warranty, look at the G.M. Northstar product.
    It takes a very narrow vision to not see that other countries may also have good and great engineers. Look around you, do Lexus, Nissan and Toyota come from Michigan?
    I am not saying the Endeavor will be the best car ever. I am saying the 2001 and 2002 Trailblazers I owned were the worst.
  • sabotagesabotage Posts: 15
    Do really any SUV's ever touch the off road??? Except for a occasional camping trip with the FAM....If I wanted to go off roading I would buy a old pick up and put a lift kit and chunky tires to go off road'n..Just my 2 cents :)
  • 01_hoe01_hoe Posts: 273
    Yes, simple plug and play. You can also just buy the orange turn signal lens and bulbs and convert what you have.
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    It takes a very narrow vision to not see that other countries may also have good and great engineers.

    Yep, some look at the Endeavor and wonder Mitsubishi: Can This Brand Be Saved?. (Inside Line)

    "Indeed, turnarounds happen. Look at Chrysler, Nissan and Volkswagen, the Mitsubishi folks point out."

    I'd say it's about GM's time, in spite of whispering about Bob Lutz. (Inside Line)

    With all the rumors of GM going Chapter 11 and all sorts of doom and gloom articles, it's probably just a great time to load up on some GM stock, especially if you like the TBs and think GM is undervalued right now. (this ain't financial advice so don't bet your retirement on some internet musings :shades: ).

    Steve, Host
  • ross1962ross1962 Posts: 229
    ..This is a crossover SUV, meaning it is built off a car chassis rather than a truck chassis. The ride is more car like than truck like, which makes it much superior to the TB..

    That's like saying the color red is superior to the color blue. I drive a truck because I like the ruggedness of a truck. If I wanted a car, I'd buy a car. My only complaint about the SUVs of today is that too many soccer moms are driving them which leads to manufacturers to soften the ride and lower them so they can't go offroad.
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