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Major Malfunction of Jeep Liberty CRD
Twenty Miles into trip all fluids checked the night before on cruise control at 70 MPH. Suddenly engine missing, then came back for a moment and barely made it off the freeway and died in mall parking lot. As it died the low coolant lite came on but Temp gage remained at normal. Would not restart and all instrument lites were flickering on and off strange clicking noise. There was no coolant at all in the radiator or hoses and hoses were cold to touch and no pressure. Oil on dipstick was 2 inches highter than normal but still seemed to have the feel and viscosity of 0W-40W.
Towed to garage and now waiting to hear the diagnosis. 135,000 freeway miles, Oil changes every 6,000 miles all maintenance done on time.
Two more years of payments @$440 per month.
Anybody ever bought an engine for this thing??
Advice, biting my nails !!
Towed to garage and now waiting to hear the diagnosis. 135,000 freeway miles, Oil changes every 6,000 miles all maintenance done on time.
Two more years of payments @$440 per month.
Anybody ever bought an engine for this thing??
Advice, biting my nails !!
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I checked European prices and it seems you're heading for an equivalent of 5,000 Euros to have yours rebuilt, assuming you can buy a new cylinder head and need no major machining.
You know what you have, you don't know what you will get...
I would pay the bill and keep the truck for a longer period. Mine is a MY2003, has a few dents inside out (off-road, dog & grandchildren) and it's like a member of the family now
Thank You
Can't put up with this any more, got to get on the road to make a living. I wrote an email to VM Motori explaining the problem and telling them I had a $10,000 loss on the vehicle. I know these engines are rugged and this should not happen to a well maintained vehicle that has never been off road or pulled a trailer. (does not have a hitch) I will look forward to their reply. Did not bother to go to Jeep, did the window thing with them and I know how unresponsive they are. Biting the Bullet !!
I am sad because I had planned to make this my beach runner fishing vehicle in the outerbanks in a couple of years.
Can the over investment needed to save fuel compensate the known issues related to Jeep or was it the image of prestige given by Daimler that attracted you?
Last year no CRD was sold by my local dealership. My wife wanted a (very) small SUV, so we looked at the Wrangler and the first thing we were asked was our budget!
This year Jeep Kia and Land Rover and are sold by the same person, under the same roof :P
Four years ago Jeeps were sold and serviced by the Mercedes Benz dealership in Annecy where buns and coffee were offered; we lost our wisdom along this road...
I see you are considering a Ford F-250. Avoid it. Any serious engine work requires cab removal. The more recent models have issues with EGR failures (clogging due to poor design) and oil cooler failure leading to other engine malfunctions. Only recently did Ford start building its own in house diesel, the 6.7L V-8. It was designed in Europe so it is probably pretty good but I would wait to see what issue crop up.
The Duramax diesel is basically a re-badged Isuzu engine. Isuzu makes decent diesels but with GM having had their fingers in the design, I would be leery.
Dodge uses Cummins and those engines are pretty solid. The 5.9 L is solid and can take tons of punishment. The older ones are good for mid-twenties fuel economy. The 6.7L is decent but a bit thirsty. Major servicing is pretty easy and the engine/transmission can be slid forward as a single unit in under an hour.
I do not regret buying my CRD. In spite of some niggling issues and some quirkiness I am very happy with it. Fuel economy is good, the engine itself has been quite trouble free. Now if we only had decent diesel fuel in this country...
Tomorrow I will replace #4 glowplug. That should be intriguing. I am going to be using a mirror and bright light(s) to view the sucker. The rest will be by braille.
Be careful not to over torque the electrical connection of the glow plug. This connection sometimes feels 'spongy'
As to your engine situation, I spoke with a diesel tech at my dealer. He thought of a few things like a major head gasket failure between cylinders but more than likely a cracked block from a casting defect that was not found or from loss of coolant. I would be interested in knowing what happened if the engine gets an autopsy.
As to the oil pan issue, I have never run into your problem. I do my own oil changes and I treat the pan and plug with great care. I always clean the threads of the plug and pan with a bit of solvent, smear fresh oil on them, and then reassemble. I use a torque wrench on the plug so I do not over-torque it. I have been doing this for many years and have never had a problem with stripped threads.
Person who purchase my jeep promised to let me know what they find in the tear down. I have rolled it over in my mind so much it is becoming a dream, trying to figure how such a large amount of water could run straight through the engine.
And if it was just a head gasket failure wouldn't the water have to get pass a piston to get to the crank case?? And if it blew a rod, the rod would have gone throught the crank case and dumped oil all over the place and I would have gottne an oil light. No external moisture or visible damage, all internal and all water was gone from the upper 1/2 of the radiator and into the engine. Can't figure out where the weak spot was or why it waited 4 years and 137,000 miles to fail.
I will post any results here.
The glow plug exchange went without a hitch. Could not use a mirror as it got in the way so I did it all by braille. I used a tiny bit of anti-seize compound on the threads of the glow plug so it would not seize in the head. Took about 45 minutes. I work slowly.
The electrical connection to the glow plug is a pull off/push on type. It does not screw on.
The block must have had an internal failure. This engine is sleeved so a sleeve could have broken or come loose, but that is a rare failure. A broken connecting rod is also rare in diesels. I am wondering if the block near one of the sleeves cracked or broke?
I look forward to reading the autopsy results.
I still prefer doing my own oil changes. I let the oil drain for about 20 minutes from the pan and oil filter. In the meantime, I inspect the suspension, the boots and exhaust system. Every other oil change, I spray a little silicone on the boots.
http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00YeNtLaidhorM/Vm-R428-Diesel-Engine.jpg
Anybody know where you go to buy a used or rebuilt 2.8 liter CRD...
Any suggestions?
http://www.vmmotori.it/en/04/00/index.jsp
http://www.vmmotori.it/en/04/01/index.jsp
Good luck!
go to Ebay have one only 27k never install (test engine) complete from
AC comp to belt i think only $2500
i do not know how to link but you go to diesel engine you will see
but another one show up they want $4400 engine only
The person who bought the jeep from me, as I said earlier, found out it was going to be a very expensive engine replacement and resold it on Craigs list for what he paid me for it.
So I will never know....still bothers me that I could not afford to pull that engine and see for myself what went wrong. A lot of people ask about the timing belt, it had just been changed and that breaking would not do so much damage that all the water dumped into the engine.....Love to know if anyone else has experienced this at 137,000 on their CRD...
A few local posters complain about tremendous cost of repair and I found no information describing block damage or major cooling fluid leak. The Liberty was sold in a version called "Wild Dream" in France and I now believe this was premonitory :confuse:
Those (like me) who bought the 'derated' version (150HP) got the original and reliable engine plus a flawless transmission. I once saw our engine on a workbench and I would send it to a motorcycle specialist rather than to the local mechanics for repair because it's tightly packed with moving parts everywhere and the aluminum block has very thin walls. Another argument about cost is that local owners put cheap tires on their Jeeps. Perhaps the market study didn't see the financial crisis along the road...
Like in many domains, we should only buy what we can afford to pay cash and to buy in two examples :shades: