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Subaru Impreza WRX



  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Well I guess then they'll sell tons of mazdaspeed and subaru will go out of business. Afterall they are EXACTLY the same in your mind...

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    vegoen, please stop asking these people to justify their choice of vehicle.

    If you want to make a serious comparison between any two vehicles, you need to go to the Sedans Comparisons board.

    If you believe that some vehicle or other is such a better purchase than the WRX, then go buy it and stop your taunting in here.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Did vegoen consider the HP differences between the mazda and the wrx? displacement? torque and hp curves? reliability? wheel travel? etc. etc.

  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    < < I stress that for 5 grand more all ur getting is a not all the time usefull AWD system > >

    for 5 grand less, you have 2 set of wheels that does nothing but go along for the ride. Now, that's not useful.

    Hey, to each their own. I've found driving an AWD vehicle, Subaru in my case, to be reassuring in my everyday driving condition(s). Turns are more planted, on wet roads, what wet roads? And on snow,...
    Wheee...... :D

  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    AWD is worth every penny on the WRX. I previously had a 97 Honda Prelude, which I still consider to be one of the finest FWD sports cars around (now only available used, unfortunately). Compared to any of the FWD cars mentioned in the previous posts, the Prelude would offer a far superior driving experience. That said, the WRX bests the Prelude in my opinion, and the big reason is AWD. It puts the power down to the road gracefully and without fuss.

    Flip back a couple of years when the WRX first came out. Car and Driver put it in a 3-way comparo with a BMW and an Audi. It beat the BMW and damn near tied the Audi for first place. Why did Car and Driver compare a $25K car to ones costing $40K? Simply, they said it was because the WRX would clearly eat the lunch of anything else. Put up against other vehicles in its price class, it would be no contest. The WRX has been on C&D's 10Best list every year since, but they have yet to put it in a comparison with like priced cars. Yeah, it may be a $25K car, but it competes with cars far above that price range. In my opinion, it's a bargain (especially since I recently got a $26K 03 model for less than $23K).

    Vegoen, if $25K is out of your price range, then cross the WRX off your list and stop trying to justify the vehicle. There are plenty of choices in the sub $20K market, and I think they would suit you better, especially if you don't have a need for AWD.

    Traction control is not even in the same category as AWD; AWD helps you put down all your power to the road. Traction control actually limits power delivery. If having ABS kick in to prevent wheel slippage doesn't bother you, then go for traction control and FWD. It's just not even close to AWD. Turn off traction control on a FWD car, with or without limited slip, and you're going to have torque steer and end up smoking the tires if the car has any decent power. That would never happen with AWD.

    By the way, the Ford Focus SVT is also supposed to be a fine choice in that sub $20K price range.

  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Doing a track day there, I can honestly say that AWD is a very real advantage on the race track. My instructor a vette RWD driver had to pucker a few times as I powered INTO a turn, thinking the back would come around, instead it just gripped and went! A RWD vehicle might have kicked the back out if you powered into a turn and a FWD would have kicked in the traction control or pushed off the edge of the track.

    I got the pointby from an M5 cause he was sick of seeing me in his rearview through every curve for 2 laps. Same thing with an M Coupe driver and several other "sports" car drivers at the drivers school!

    And to think my SVX is almost 14 years old!

  • vegoenvegoen Posts: 82
    Well I mean I get that AWD sticks you to the ground and gives you advantes in acceleration, Im looking at it from a non racing POV

    Dont you think the AWD and Turbo could have been a little cheaper, I mean if Im going to spend 25k im gettin an accord or maxima, because overall they are better cars.

    Agree or disagree?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    In what sense? That's the thing.

    First off you can't get an accord for $25K not wiht a V6 which is the power you'd need to be equal to the power found in a WRX, as for maxima, have you checked out the interiors of nissans lately? They are pretty cheaply built now, and again you'd need to go over $25K to get up there. Of course we are talking MSRP to MSRP, we all know you get the subies less (much less) than MSRP whereas honduhs are usually at or near MSRP and the maxima is pretty close.

    Now if you want to talk apple to apples, you can get an AT legacy for around $19K-20K max and that is more in line with the Honduh Accord, IMHO.

    How would you define better? Just curious, for me better is being able to have reliability + safety + handling + value. Only once you've driven an AWD for a while will you realize it's every day applications in Dry, Wet, Snow, Ice, etc. And then you realize, that no matter how good the traction control, etc, it can't compare to AWD.

  • vegoenvegoen Posts: 82
    Mike u drunk man. First off I have AWD car now. Wont comment on what I think of it.

    Second where do you go off saying accords v6 equals the power of WRX? and then sayin nissans interior is cheap...look at the wrx man, then say it like it is

    maximas are built with high quality same goes with accord, and no better does not fall under those categories u listed

    Better is: Backing of the model and company name, reliablity from 10 years before of the same make...cant say that about a 3 year old wrx, and as performace goes, i dont preform with a car every day, i use it mostly to work and school. on weekends maybe a chic in the car or two

    Bro read your posts more carefully before u post
  • axp696axp696 Posts: 90
    The "When you get it, you get it" one. This debate is going in circles, and I'm not one to stop people from arguing until they're blue in the face, but the ad is dead on. Power does not equal performance. Handling is half of what performance is, and those are the people Subaru is marketing to with the WRX (and part of the reason they haven't built a FWD car in almost 10 years). Some people get it, some don't. But feel free to keep going in circles. =)

    P.S. The new Lance Armstrong ads are GREAT.
  • kevin111kevin111 Posts: 991
    You might want to check out the Protege or Mazda 6 boards. They would be more in line with your thinking, and you could probably get advice about buying one of them.

    BTW, before I bought my WRX, I was looking at a Maxima as well. I really liked the interior and power of the Maxima, but in the end, the driving experience of the WRX won me over.

    I took a friend along to testdrive both cars. We looked at the Maxima first, then when we approached the WRX, he made the comment of why I was even looking at it when I can get so much more car with the Maxima. After testdriving the WRX with him, he said I should go with the WRX.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    I'm curious, what are you driving now with AWD?

    Check out the Altima, the interior seems to have been designed and built by the Fisher-Price toy company. WRX is much better in comparison. Interestingly enough, the WRX uses some Nissan-Japan switchgear in the door controls, and it's top notch. Altimas, being built in the US, seem to use some other supplier's switchgear, and it's not nearly as good.

    I used to be the biggest Honda fan around. Recent US-built Civic and Accord models have gone downhill, and it's especially notable in interior quality. I have not been impressed by the Accord for some years now. Granted, it's still better than most of the 4 door family sedans you can buy, it's just not as good as it used to be.

    You should be more respectful to the other people here. Mike has been around on these boards for a long time (even before I started participating in 2000). He knows a lot about cars, and I think he knows how to post. Overall, the people on this board are intelligent, friendly, and well educated about cars. It would be nice if you could try to act the same way! I think we would take you a lot more seriously. As it is now, I'm having a real hard time relating to you. I'm reading your posts on other forums, and wondering what you're really up to.

  • not having driven the MazdaSpeed or SRT, I still would harbor a guess that a simple day of test driving should reveal some differences between cars in that category and the WRX.

    I drove a WRX wagon about 2 months ago, and it was a riot. Similar gutsy bursts of fun to a Saab 9-3 Hot Turbo, but no torque steer. I couldn't work the clutch very well (rusty?) so I can't comment of sheer acceleration, but the car was fast enough for all but the very power hungry.

    You may be right that in 90% of the normal, everyday driving situations (when we drive at about 30-50% of a car's potentail) a WRX isn't a big advantage over a MS or SRT. But then again, with the proper tires, the WRX will not get stuck in the snow or ice, the AWD will get you off a muddy grassfield if you happen to actually leave the road, and AWD can help even on dry pavement, just add a few morsels of sand and watch the wheels spin.

    I like the WRX, and if it wasn't $23+, I would seriously buy one...I think it sounds like you are more concerned with proving to yourself that the MS gives you everything a WRX would for $5k less...and that isn't quite true, but may be true to you.

    If so, there is no reason to buy the WRX.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Haaa, the WRX has been around for ~10 years, just not sold in America!

    I find it funny how you are willing to purchase a Honduh based on a '92 model year car lasting 10 years! In case you haven't noticed the reliability of honda and toyota have dropped over the past 10 years, why? Well it's simple economics, if they can cut corners and still retain their customers (like yourself who thinks an '02 honda = '92 honda) then there is no incentive to keep up the quality.

    If you want a car for purely commuter status, then perhaps you are getting ripped off if you buy a maxima or accord, afterall, you could easily get around in a Elantra or Rio, no? With the Hyundai or Kia you are guaranteed to have a working car for 100K miles. I haven't seen that come up in your discussion though. Heck for the price of a maxima or accord you could get almost 2 Rios or Elantras.

    Power for power the honda accord is going to be very close to the wrx. 227hp v. ~250ish, but you have to realize that honda motors are tuned for the high-rev band, not low end grunt like most of the subies, even the 2.0l turbo comes onto boost and max torque before the v6 does. As anyone who has driven both. Of course it seems here you are comparing these 2 vehicles on paper, not in the real world, so I'll let your arm-chair automotive knowledge rule you. I'm more of a real-world tester. Before I buy a car I go out and test drive a well broken in specimen owned by a real person, I don't even settle for a test drive of a new vehicle at the dealer.

    keepin it real :)
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 21,990
    Veogen says in another forum that he bought a Viper Venom for $80K. OK, buddy. Guess you won't be coming around here anymore saying that the WRX is too expensive, huh? Happy trails!

    '17 F150 Crew 2.7; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '09 LR2 HSE. 44-car history and counting!

  • axp696axp696 Posts: 90
    Apparently this isn't the only board he's been trolling. That's pretty funny, though. "Hey guys I just bought a 2000 Viper Venom 800tt from an idiot in texas for 80 grand, the thing is amazing." I suspect his posts will be deleted pretty quickly.
  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    Hey, but at least we get to hear Hutch's comedy routine. Gave me a good laugh.

    Vegoen, you should definitely head over to nasioc, they will have a lot of fun with you. We're just too serious and composed over here.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Who would pay $80 grand for a used Dodge anything?

  • kenskens Posts: 5,869
    Is Hondabro back? ;-)

  • corkfishcorkfish Posts: 537
    You guys might want to laugh at him, but you should realize that judging from some of his commentary, there might be a legitimate illness involved here so I'd just ignore it. Can anyone recommend an aftermarket exhaust for the wagon which actually enhances power and an adult could get away with?
  • hypovhypov Posts: 3,068
    The STi muffler would be good, or the Stromung dual tip for the OEM look. Power? Don't know. Haven't got them on.

    Shoot me an e-mail :)

  • prayerforprayerfor Posts: 161
    corkfish --

    The MRT turbo-back system is one I'm looking closely at... very high quality construction, includes a high-flow cat in the downpipe (many systems don't have cats at all to eke out extra HP), adds a nice amount of power, and is one of the quieter setups out there.

    The Prodrive cat-back (or is it axle-back?) systems are nice too if you want to keep the stock downpipe in place. Also high quality and on the quiet side.
  • vegoenvegoen Posts: 82
    You guys really have no lives do you. Checking me out in other posts? Are you seriously that nerdy? Those statements are just put out for a laugh, of course I dont have 80 grand, seriously you guys are pretty big low lifes. I feel sorry for you.

    Except for kevin and the others who actually pay attention to the smart debates I seem to post, instead of ridiculous crticism you disgusting losers put up
  • twrxtwrx Posts: 647
    Ignore the troll.
  • alubenaluben Posts: 30
    Does anybody know if Subaru has certified used vehicles?
  • overtime1overtime1 Posts: 134
    I like the WRX, and if it wasn't $23+, I would seriously buy one

    I just got a quote for a new '03 manual wagon for $20,990. They are trying to give them away now-a-days ;-).

  • dill6dill6 Posts: 120
    probably been covered already, but it looks like the '04 sedan with the s/roof and heated seats also comes with the rear wing, like it or not. Is this ocrrect?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    No, Subaru does not yet have a certified pre-owned (i.e. overpriced used car) program that I know of.

    One thing I find funny is that dealers do not keep whatever records the original owner might have passed on. So right there you lose what is of most value to me.

    $20,990 is a near-Neon SRT-4 price. Does that include freight? Wow.

  • c_hunterc_hunter Posts: 4,487
    The wing is part of a premium package, which includes moonroof and all weather package. As far as I can tell, you get stuck with the wing in order to get the other two, like it or not.....

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    And I don't - to me it looks like a Boomerang. Send them all to Australia, mate. ;-)

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