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Chrysler 300M



  • psterpster Posts: 293
    "I can't get no Satisfaction." And you never will. Take the car to an auto stereo store and have them replace everything. Box up the OEM radio and mail it to the Shrimp man in Detroit with a thank you note. The 300M has been decontented into oblivion. The decontent engineers are already working on the Pacifica.
  • lflowerslflowers Posts: 155
    I had my new Pirelli PZero Nero tires installed last week. So far they feel quite similar to the high performance Goodrich GForce KDW tires they replaced, but I've only driven them on dry pavement at local street speeds here in San Diego. However, I'm currently waiting to hear about a long term contract job in the Boston area, so I may get a chance to experience them in lots of weather conditions soon. They do handle well in the conditions I've driven them in so far and they are very quiet.
  • Lflowers, I was just curious what size Nero's you got. I noticed they don't make 225/55 17s. Also, did you buy them at a chain? Just wondering what they cost retail--if you give the px let me know if that included flat fixing plan. I'm considering going to my local guy and asking him to special order them, as he doesn't normally carry them, but I don't want to pay an arm and a leg either so I may go w/Conti Extreme Contacts, which were rated similarly to the Neros but i know I can get. To anyone considering the PZeros, make sure you get the new model w/ the Nero designation. The old plain vanilla Pzeros are not rated nearly as highly as the new model.
  • lflowerslflowers Posts: 155
    The Pirelli PZero Neros I bought are 245/45-17's.
    I have after market 17 x 8 wheels. I've been told that 245/45's are too wide for the standard M wheels, but there are some forum members who have used that size on stock wheels,
    I bought mine at Discount Tires (I've shopped at their stores for years, always with satisfactory results). I paid $800 for 4 tires, including road hazard warranty and lifetime balance. Most Discount Tire Stores will repair any flat free, even if your tires were not bought from them.
    By the way, I've heard horror stories about the noise generated by the Conti Extreme Contacts and
    I can vouch for the quietness of the Pirellis.
    Lynn Flowers
  • Lflowers, thanks a lot for the info. I though the Extreme Contacts were supposed to be quiet also; but I don't remember exactly so I'll try to verify what you say with the ratings. I'm leaning towards the Neros, but I'll have to check if the sizes they have are recommended as safe for the stock rims. Anyway, thx again. Good to know that Discount Tire does a good job.

    Ruski, so you made the sales rep nervous; I'll bet. I hope if he was the bothersome type you really made him pay the price. I can remember one time many years ago when I was the boy-racer type, and I took a car for a spin, thinking I was testing it as needed to be tested for what was important to me. When we got back to the car lot, I said to the gray haired rep, I hope you don't mind that I tested the whole car, including it's pickup. I still remember his reply, which was "that was quite interesting, particularly when we went through the red light at 75". It dawned on me then that the light had been quicker than I had calculated, and I probably had the elderly fellow holding on for his life, but he was too polite to say anything to me, and I was just seeing if the car was indeed fast enough for me. Ahhh, old memories.
  • blowbyublowbyu Posts: 26
    Thanks for the info.

    The impact was on the Driver side door. I am assuming he was talking about replacing the pillar between the front and back door, and the pillar between the front door and front quarterpanel.

    I would like my car back, but I don't believe it will ever be the same again. I finished paying the car off last December and was planning on keeping it at least until my extended warranty ran out in a couple of years.

    I have asked the insurance company to have a specialist go take a look at it. They have not gotten back to me yet with any estimates.
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    blowbyu - so you need new A-post and B-post's. Yikes , like I said I sure wouldnt want that car back after the changed those two posts. Lots of cutting and welding needed to do that repair.
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    those were not sales reps, they were empoyees of the marketing firm hired by Chrysler to showcase the performance of cars like Crossfire, GT Cruiser, 300M Special, etc. Driving fast was part of the game. This was NOT on the street. This was done at a huge parking lot, with the road course layed out with cones and it included an improvised drag strip (again, flooring the gas pedal and then hard braking was ENCOURAGED by the guy in the passenger seat)

    Did you actually read my post?
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    hey some guy in the Acura TL site is slagging the M . lenscap "Acura TL" Oct 27, 2003 9:56am

     why must someone who has never owned an M tell someone else its not a good car ? I was so tempted to post something but I'm sure I would have sad some not so nice things .
  • Ruski,

    You called it a "test drive event", so I assumed it was an even sponsored by dealers. You didn't say anything about a marketing firm. And when you said the Chrysler rep in the passenger seat was nervous, I thought you meant the Chrysler dealer rep. Also, you did say you made him nervous, which was what my post was about. I read it fully, just didn't understand it I guess.
  • "why must someone who has never owned an M tell someone else its not a good car ?"

    Because ignorance won't stop some people from speaking what's on their little minds.

    The 300M is a great car and I would, and did, choose it over an Acura.
  • vacman1vacman1 Posts: 28
    Same reason I bought a 2004 M instead of an Acura. Just as nice a car (if not nicer), plus better value to boot. Anyone that knocks an M has never driven one. I test drove a TL in 2002 and thought it was overpriced then.

    As far as people perceiving that a "Honda" is somehow superior in construction or design - they are only fooling themselves. In fact, compared to the earliest Hondas, the newer ones are in fact junk, because they are now made in the U.S. if you apply his logic. If manufacturing a car in the U.S. is what causes a problem, then Honda can expect to see their problems increase as they make more stateside.

    You might also ask the Honda nut where the engineers that designed the car were educated. Odds are, even if they live overseas, many of their "top" guys were U.S. educated. Or does that guy think that is just a fallacy as well???? There's a reason we have a lot of foreign engineering students here ...
  • vacman1vacman1 Posts: 28
    I'm not sure why you hate the stock stereo in the M? I got the 9 speaker infinity and think it's great. Possibly it's perception on what you listen to at home? Do you have a really nice setup there?

    I have the nav/sat radio package in mine and never have any troubles with reception. The only complaint I might give you is that some songs with heavy base and a lot of things going on simultaneously (mostly newer alternative rock - isn't that mostly noise anyway??) tend to vibrate the crap out of the front speakers. But any of the techno, jazz, classical, rock, classic rock etc. comes in just fine. Hell, I hardly use a CD player now at all.
  • vacman1vacman1 Posts: 28
    tayLOrd: I can't speak for XM (lol I almost spelled it SM) radio but I LOVE Sirius! Tons of programming options, crystal clear and NO COMMERCIALS!! Not sure if the monthly fee is higher or that much higher than XM, but did I mention Sirius has NO COMMERCIALS????

    It's funny, but on ocassion, I find myself tuning into talk radio, just to hear someone speaking - as they would in A COMMERCIAL! It keeps me grounded that I'm still listening to a radio.

    P.S. Now that I have a sat radio, I doubt I'll ever be happy with a normal AM/FM again. These things will be the death (or at least the evolution) of the typical radio station that you know today!
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Posts: 1,926
    I believe you've got me confused with someone else. I never said I don't like the stereo.

    Thanks for the response on Sirius, though. I've been trying to find someone who has Sirius that could give a "review" of it. My girlfriend has XM in her Accord and I love it. I want to make sure Sirius will be as enjoyable before I plunk down the cash to get the Sirius tuner for my RB1.
  • vacman1vacman1 Posts: 28
    Yup. You're right - got u mixed up with cinquita.
    My bad.

    And yes if you love XM, I think you will really love Sirius due to no commercials.
  • fastdriverfastdriver Posts: 2,273

    Just ignore him. You know how those Acura people are anyway. They think they have all the answers! LOL....

    Hope all is well.

  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    Bob , yeah I hear you . You at least can comment as you have had both . My buddy has a 3.2 TL , its a nice car but the paint on it is awful , my 94 Trep has better paint on it ( thats my buddies words not mine) . He has had small things go wrong with it , no tranny issues but he says sometimes it shifts really bad ? maybe its on its way out .
  • ruskiruski Posts: 1,566
    I got a 2002 3.2 TL-S after my 99 300M lease ended.

    I want my 300M back!!!
  • Otto,

    I'm interested to know what was wrong w/the paint on your buddies 3.2 TL. Orange peel, un lustrous finish perhaps? I assumed all the manufacturers had their painting processes down pat, especially I thought the Japanese manufacturers would. As an aside, the paint and clear coat on my metallic candy apple '99 M is the best paint job I've ever had on a car. A couple of times I've had people approach me (strangers) and say how they really like my car, and they've been really surprised when I tell them it's a '99. The paint is really like new other than some scratches and hood dings, which is saying something for a car w/78K.
  • Acura's paint is just very thin. My CLS has so many little nicks from everyday use & I only had it for 9 months/12K miles. The 00 M I had, had none over a 1.5 years & 40K miles. My aunt has an 02 yellow mustang & that paint looks & feels tons better then the Acura. I've been told to expect this from every car maker in the near future due to the EPA mandate that auto paint use more water bases. Acura is just so far ahead of the game it's showing up on their cars first.
    On the M bashing I can understand where he's coming from. I don't agree though. The M is a great car for what it is. The Acura has the name, but poor quailty is right on since most of them are made in the USA. Quailty control is out the window now. Dealers by me are worse then the DC ones. I loved my M & would have kept it if I could.
  • laurasdadalaurasdada Posts: 3,097
    Hello, All:

    Got my Autoweek yesterday, a small picture of the 300C (and Magnum). The C (imho) is just not getting any prettier! Especially compared to the M. Maybe in person...?

    Going to NE Autoshow next week. Wonder if the 300C will be there? Probably not. Supposed to be in the 70s tomorrow here in the Boston area. I guess my '99 Platinum beauty gets a bath!

    '13 Jaguar XF, possibly my favorite of all the cars I've owned. But, my '09 Jag XK was a beauty, as was my '05 Acura TL, '88 Acura Integra, '84 Mitsubishi Mirage Turbo & '78 VW Scirocco (my first!). And, of course, the '92 Nissan Sentra SE-R and '95 Saab 900s I bought for the ex... Ok, I like a lot of the cars in my life.

  • Took my '99 w/ 90k in for oil change, seat bolt recall, and check-up today. They say, need a brake light ($20), due for tune-up ($250), both drive belts cracking ($160), struts leaking ($460). Don't know what maintenance schedule they are using but mine says 100k for the tune-up. And $250! Isn't a tune-up just changing the plugs and wires in this car. I knew I needed struts, can anyone recommend a website to check for strut prices? Also, can I upgrade to PHG-type struts w/ no problems?
  • phases78phases78 Posts: 471
    bet you werent expecting to hear all that! if i were you i would just do it. after asking them what tune up they are talking about. if they are rounding up to the 100k one, sayin you need that cuz you may not make it another 10k, well then id do it.

    im thinkin to get the phg struts it would cost more, but i dont think it would be a problem. not to sure though.

    sorry i cant be of much help!
  • Here's what I would suggest for the maintenance, although admittedly it's not for everyone. First, realize that you have to manage the process; nothing gets done on your car by anyone unless they tell you exactly what they're doing, you understand and want it, and you agree to it. At dealerships and other places, if you don't manage it you'll be skinned alive at times.

    First, to fully know what is recommended maintenance wise, check your owner's manual or buy a LHS repair manual, which although costs $100 it explains everything. I would suggest in addition to pricing parts out on the internet just pull outyour yellow pages and quickly call about 5 places for prices over the phone. Ordering over the web you'll probably escape taxes, but the shipping might be expensive. I simply buy the parts I need, usually at a local parts store or Dodge dealer, and I've found a local garage who will do work for me when I bring him the parts, for a very reasonable rate. It's not unusual for me to beat the dealer's prices by 30-50%, and often I get better parts put in than he would use, such as upgraded ceramic brake pads, bosch spark plugs, etc. As for the web sites you requested, a couple I've used in the past are and is great for brake components and tires and advice and online ratings; they may have struts also. You can also just go to Google and do a search on discount and auto and parts and chrysler. Note: Pep Boys has really poor prices in my book. Also, call a few local dealers for prices on the OEM parts you want. I've found that one particular Dodge dealer near me is about 20% cheaper than the local Chrysler dealerships for OEM parts.

    I thoroughly enjoy maintaining the car and keeping it running crisp and looking great for many years. Never did understand the allure of paying high lease prices and changing every 3 years; wouldn't satisfy my inner mechanic, even though I could afford it if I wanted to.
  • wire2wire2 Posts: 188
    All LH cars have been painted with water base paint since '98.

    >...paint looks & feels tons better then the Acura. I've been told to expect this from every car maker in the near future due to the EPA mandate that auto paint use more water bases. Acura is just so far ahead of the game it's showing up on their cars first.
  • I've managed to misplace my owners manual, and was wondering what size tires are acceptable by Chrysler for the 99-00 razorstars. Not sure, but I think the original tires were 225/55 R17. I have the full repair manual, but it doesn't have it.
  • Duke, you might want to do a little test first. You are welcome to drive with me around my neighborhood and see what the ride is like with PHG. I had to replace my rear struts (one was bent) and I used Monroe Sensa-trac(?). My kid says it rides nicer in the back seat now. I do think the rear end is a little higher now, but no proof. It seems like the springs would determine that. Headlight level bubbles are ok.

    After two tries at machining the OEM rotors I replaced them with Brembo. Magic!

    Good luck, Silver
  • ottowrkrottowrkr Posts: 778
    Fuzzy , you hit it right on the head. His paint is very thin. The whole car looks like it has been sandblasted and its an 2003 . You should see the stone chips . The car is black (mistake #1) and it looks like &%#@ .
  • Presto! Nice magic trick Pat.

    That's very sound advice bluesky. I definitely believe in managing the process. I very rarely let the dealership do any actual work on my car. I like to use them to diagnose the problems and then I choose who to take it to based on what I perceive the complexity of the repair to be. Dealership service departments are bandits w/o guns. A good example are the 30/60/90k mile services recommended on most cars. You pay a ridiculous amount of many for a bunch of stuff you don't even need.

    Silver, I guess just swapping PHG struts in up front wouldn't really make my car handle like a PHG. With only an estimated 6 months left w/ the M I guess I'll let cost be my guide.
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