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Which Hatchback?



  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    The SX4 appears to be a Suzuki, but I was referring to the Reno that I purchased thinking it was a Suzuki.

    I understand, but you were responding to canuck785's post which was about the SX4 (despite the title mentioning Reno).

    Incidentally, I read in my News Sentinel today that Suzuki ranks next to last in JD Power reliability surveys. Wonder if that's due to the Daewoo Reno/Forenza/Verona cast offs?

    Suzuki seems to think so: Suzuki blaming poor initial quality scores on GM Daewoo-produced vehicles
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    have you drove a Yaris yet? if so, how does it compare to an xA or an aveo?
    just out of curiosity, if you could buy any of those hatch tomorrow, which one would you get? aveo, yaris, fit, versa,accent,rio, rabbit ??? or wait for the new sx4 ;)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    I've driven the Yaris sedan twice, but have not been able to find a hatch to test-drive. I thought the Yaris had a much more comfortable ride than the xA and a smoother powertrain than the Aveo. The Aveo seemed "thin" to me.

    Your question about which I would buy tomorrow is hard because I haven't found an Accent SE to drive yet. I suspect based on drives of the GS hatch that I might like the SE a lot.

    I would like to see what the SX4 is like. And, I will be able to because I don't have to buy a car for a couple of years. Based on those I've driven, I prefer the Fit overall, then the Rabbit (which I like a lot in 3-door form except for fuel economy and historically poor reliability). The Versa was a pretty nice drive too, but early reports on fuel economy aren't too good and I don't like the big step in the back with seats folded. The Rio is quite nice also, but overpriced I think given Kia's historically poor resale value.

    And I am still hoping Hyundai will re-introduce the Elantra hatch on the all-new platform. :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    I just noticed something: Honda Civic is listed at the top of this discussion on "Which Hatchback?" Why is that? Is that to represent the fact that the Civic is available in some countries as a hatch--just not in North America? :cry:

    Also, isn't it time to retire the Pro5 from the list and replace it with a hatchback that is actually for sale as a new car--the Mazda3 or Fit or Versa or.... ?
  • thank you for your comments!
    i find it is hard to make a decision because all those cars have pros and cons and are basically, IMO, pretty good cars. I guess it all comes down to what someone needs and like, and i migh add, how long some is willing to wait to get a car!! ( 2-4 mths for a yaris liftback here)

    i dont think the rabbit will be a choice for me : dealerships are too far and only very few to deal with.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Yep, it's really hard to buy a "bad" new car these days.

    I understand your issue with dealerships. That might keep me from a Suzuki, although there is a dealer close to me there are very few in my town and few overall. VW dealers are plentiful where I live, though. So are Hyundai and Kia dealers, and of course dealers for the American and Japanese car companies.
  • Yep, it's really hard to buy a "bad" new car these days
    good thing Yugo stop making cars!!! ;) LOL
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    It's a little higher end than most of the other cars discussed here, but have any of you driven the Mazda6 hatch? I drove the sedan version as a rental and it seemed pretty sweet (there is also a Mazda6 wagon).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    I haven't driven the Mazda6 hatch but I really like it--great handling, styling, and cargo capacity. I looked at it closely before I got my Elantra GT, but went with the Elantra because the GT gave me what I needed for (at the time) about $8000 less.
  • My local Toyota dealer rented a Scion TC this weekend and actually today and I have to tell you that this is a great handling and performing car. Most don't consider this car and it's a mistake. The back seat is huge and there is a ton of room in it for a coupe.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    The back seat is huge and there is a ton of room in it for a coupe.

    What tC were *you* looking at? When I looked at the tC, the only way I could fit in the back seat was if the hatch was open to allow my head to stick up. There isn't enough room for anyone over about 5'-4" in that back seat.
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    I am assuming he is talking about the TC, 4 door sedan, because that is the ONLY TC scion has ;)
    by the way, anyone noticed that if you want to compare 2007 Scion the Xa or the Xb are not showing up, only the TC does?
    on other forums, there is a rumor that the production of xb and xa will be dropped... :(
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Huh? The tC is available only as a 2-door hatchback. The xA and xB are 4-door hatchbacks.

    It could be that the 2007 xA and xB haven't been released to dealers yet. There were photos of a next-gen xB on Town Hall a while ago.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    I am assuming he is talking about the TC, 4 door sedan, because that is the ONLY TC scion has ;)


    Looks like two doors to me.....

    Maybe confusing the Scion tC with the Saturn ION?:

  • joe97joe97 Posts: 2,248
    Scion a and b will not be available as 2007 model, there will be replacements coming.

    And the "tC 4 door" reference - I take it you were being sarcastic ;)
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    LOL!! i had a major blonde moment there!! :confuse:
    i knew the TC was not a hacht but i was sure it had 4 doors.... :blush: sowwy!
    i really want to know about the xA and Xb for 2007...i just love those 2 cars!
    I saw an xA "special edition" (or whatever they called it) this w/e,it was the bright red one that they offered in 2005. wow! what a cute car!! it had different wheels on it and it looked like a mini cooper :)
    my husband WANTS me to get an xA, but i am pushing for the aveo :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    If it's between the Aveo and xA, this is one time (at least) you should listen to your husband. :)
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    i knew the TC was not a hacht

    Yet another blonde moment: The tC *is* a hatchback. :P


    Actually, between an Aveo and an xA, it isn't a cut-and-dry decision. The xA definitely has a higher "wow" factor, but the Aveo is also a decent choice.

    Out of the GM-Daewoo cars sold in the U.S., the Aveo is the biggest seller and has the best reliability. Its ride is smoother than the xA's, although it has noticeably more body lean in corners. If you're not driving it like a Ferrari though, that shouldn't be a big deal. The Aveo seems more inviting inside; it feels roomier than the cramped xA. The engine noise is also worse on the xA than on the Aveo. The Aveo buzzes on acceleration, but the xA buzzes all the time!

    After looking at several models in that class last year, I went up a bit and bought a Hyundai Elantra. But if I were to choose between the xA and the Aveo, I would pick the Aveo.
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    oh boy!!! I stand corrected!!! :blush:
    for my defense, i never saw one in "person", only in pictures, and they dont "LOOK" like they are hachtback :P

    both the aveo and the xA are interesting choices in the segment, (i drove both ) so i KNOW what they are :P
    the Xa comes all equipped, which is cool, but the aveo is cheaper and a good deal too. i also love the colors of the aveos!
    my scion dealer is a lot further than the chevy one, which could be handy.
    Chevy also changed their warranty to 5 yrs/100,000 miles, which is longer than toyota-scion but with the reputation toyota has, not sure they really need a longer warranty

    i am also looking at the new suzuki SX4 AWD, it offers A LOT for 15 k.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    If you can get AWD for $15k, and AWD is a priority, by all means go for it!

    I looked at Suzukis (Aerio & Reno) when car shopping last year, mostly just to cross them off my list. After driving them, they both hung around on my list for a long time! The Reno especially seemed a great value, but I was afraid it was more of a facade and that the car wouldn't hold up. (The Reno is built by GMDAT just like the Aveo, but the quality ratings of the plant where the Reno is produced are not as good as where the Aveo is produced. Suzuki even cited GMDAT as the major driver for their own quality problems.)

    I wouldn't hesitate to buy a "true" Suzuki though.
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    i did look at the reno and the aerio too, but did not drive them yet...the SX4 replaces the aerio so 2006 should be the last suzuki produces this model. for the Reno, i thought I had found MY car, but the reviews were not that good, a lot of new owners experienced troubles with the starter and reliabilty wasn,t that good in general. Considering all the other options that are out there, i figured I could look at something else.
    the SX4 is really an appealling little car, has lots of goodies plus AWD available with auto or 5 spd.
    as you said, if awd is a priority, got for it. I am debating the "necessity" factor, my last cars were a JEEP Wrangler, when I was still in canada and then a Cherokee in kansas, but now I am not really sure if I really need it here. The MPG are also a bit lower with the SX4 , 28 mpg highway. if you consider that the Reno gets a 31 highway rating and it's not a AWD, i guess it is not bad :)
    As i mentioned in other post, the location of the dealership is something to consider in my case, because most of them are at leat 50 miles + away, except the chevy/pontiac ones.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    for the Reno, i thought I had found MY car, but the reviews were not that good, a lot of new owners experienced troubles with the starter and reliabilty wasn,t that good in general. Considering all the other options that are out there, i figured I could look at something else.

    That's pretty much the conclusion I reached. The Reno got so-so reviews with respect to handling and acceleration, but I though it was fine. Still, the relationship between Suzuki and GMDAT is not the smoothest, so that kind of scared me. I thought the exterior body style of the Reno was great though; a real eye-catcher for me (as a hatchback lover).
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    I guess I had a much different opinion of the Reno. I drove to the Suzuki dealer in my Elantra GT, so I had a pretty close comparison. IMO, there was no comparison. The Reno's engine was thrashy, the auto transmission was unreponsive, and the handling mushy compared to the Elantra. The interior was ok (its best feature IMO) and there was good room in the back seat, but I didn't see any advantage over the interior of the Elantra GLS or GT hatches, and I liked the fabric/leather on the Elantra better than on the Reno. Additionally, the switchgear was not nearly as smooth as that on the Elantra, and the Elantra has a larger cargo area. To top it off, there was no significant price advantage for the Reno with rebates considered. Plus the Elantra has a better warranty, a better reliability track record, and Suzuki dealers are few and far between (so dealer service is harder to come by). So I couldn't see any reason whatsoever to get a Reno.
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    I thought the exterior body style of the Reno was great though; a real eye-catcher for me (as a hatchback lover).

    I am with you on this one, I just love hatchback cars!
    2 or 4 door sedan doesn't do anything for me!

    someone mentioned to me in a post, not sure if it is in this forum, but he said that getting the new hyundai accent hach was a no brainer versus the aveo. well I got my brochure in the mail yesterday and this seems like a good little car!! I also love the choice of bold colors! :)

    I was pretty set on getting a 4 door for pratical reasons but maybe it is worth giving it a "drive"!! :)

    what do you guys think about that new 2007 hyundai accent?

    "my" nissan dealer just receive "my" versa yesterday, might be going to test it this w/e ;) but for some reason, this car just leaves me " blah" dont know why but it just does :(
    i say "my" because he had to order a few and since we were already communicating about a versa, he sent me an email asking me which trim/color and tranny I would like and that he would order it according to it, since he had to order a couple anyways, i thought that was very nice of him to offer and to actually do it! :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    Definitely take the Accent for a drive--preferably the SE. Fun little car to drive, great handling. If you don't often put large adults in the back seat, it could be a good choice for you. The Versa's back seat is much better for big people.
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    Heck, I can't put adults in my Elantra's back seat for long trips (then again, my sons are 6'-5" & 6'-4"...)
  • doohickiedoohickie Posts: 949
    It's really more of a wagon, but the Chevy HHR is growing on me a bit. It's maybe a little larger and more expensive than most of the hatches discussed here, but I kind of like its retro, yet understated, styling. A friend has one and I've grown used to its looks. I think they did an especially nice job on the rear end and tail lights. Where the Caliber, for instance, has these round lights divided into quarters (which is just clunky design, imo), the HHR has a pair of true round lights on each side that are just plain circles (not divided in half or anything). I like the simplicity.

    It looks like a lot of car for the money. I haven't driven one though, so I really don't know.

    I almost hate to say it because I've never liked the brand, but Chevies are starting to grow on me. The Aveo was johnnie-on-the-spot- available in mass quantities when gas prices went up; the Cobalt sedan has transformed itself in my mind from a Cavalier follow-on to something that more resembles the Mazda3 sedan, and the HHR seems like a practical smallish family wagon.

    What's this world coming to? :confuse:
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,907
    I wouldn't want to put a big adult in the back of my Elantra for a long trip either. But I've had people 6'+ back there for 2-3 hour trips with no complaints. For the long trips, that's what my minivan is for. :)
  • I "found" my Reno in Oct '05. It seemed like a decent car with lots of extras when I test drove it and the folks at Oak Ridge Suzuki were great until I brought it in for service and they acted like I was complaining for nothing when I told them I couldn't get it started. I literally cranked the thing two dozen times one afternoon in the lot at work trying to get home for an appointment. I was so embarrassed about having been suckered into buying this car. I had owned an Alto (a mini car not imported to this country) fifteen years ago and loved it, so thought I'd go with another Suzuki. BIG MISTAKE!!!
    The fix for the starter problem resulted in a 10% reduction in already poor gas mileage, from 22 to 20 (I had gotten 17 over the exact same terrain with my '02 Silverado Reg Cab!) It also seems to have caused the engine to rev to 2500 and ease down for several seconds immediately upon starting it, definitely not something I wanted it to continue doing into the winter months! So they recently reprogrammed it to 2000 rpm. Is that normal starting rpm?
    I have gotten 35 mpg with this car on the highway, so it's a great car in that regard. But as I do most of my driving on hilly, twisty, and tight east Tennessee roads I have no confidence whatsoever in it's performance or handling.
    If you have an extra few grand and are wanting an AWD car, I would strongly suggest considering the Impreza wagon. I owned a FWD Impreza from '94 to '02 and it handled great!!! Plus it was RELIABLE. I spent no more than $500 on repairs until it hit 150,000 miles. Not even a brake job! But you do give up back seat space. I wish I had stuck with a good thing when I went back to a car after losing my Silverado. So far my Reno has had a new catalytic converter, and will soon get a new rack and a new cruise control switch. I'm wondering what will be next. Odds are the entire car will be replaced before it goes off warranty.
  • canuck785canuck785 Posts: 160
    wow! I am assuming buying a new Reno is out of the question for you??? :P

    I wanted a 4 doors because i have 2 big labs and a 10 yr old son, but we have a pick up truck that can accomodate us as well, so most of the time I would be by myself in the car. as long as the back seat is decent, my son would be OK.
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