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Mazda Protegé



  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    glad you can join us meade!
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Meade, you're right. Since you named it MAPP IV, I should have come up with something like:

    MAPP IV: A New Low
    MAPP IV: No Hope
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    He missed MAPP III just because he "had a new job" and had to fly to Kentucky for "training." What a wimpy excuse!

    C'mon Larry, here's your chance to entertain us all again and meet some new faces from MAPP III! And you already know a NICE hotel in the area ...


    Now, about Dale coming ... ?
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    be consistent. That's MAPP VI
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Malt, you're so mean.

  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    You beat me to it. Nice catch!
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Upset because you're losing the debate with me on the Photo Gallery discussion?

    Sore loser!

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    How can you call it "Return of the Jetta" when the Jetta never came yet? :)
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Ha Ha! Sounds like you're sore, not me!
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Would it REALLY sound like a Star Wars-based title if I called it:

    "MAPP IV: The Jetta's First Appearance?"

    Oh, wait a minute, that's right. You're too young to remember Return of the Jedi. It came out when you were in diapers and eating strained peaches, right?

    I'll just pray you'll be able to make it this time and you won't be driving another loaner New Beetle, Passat, Golf, Protege, etc. while your Jetta's broken ... again.

    Do me a favor and stop those 100-mph drag races on the Beltway like the one you had yesterday. Keep that thing out of the shop and bring it to MAPP!

    Actually I'm wondering if I'll ever get a chance to see your car. I read your post yesterday about being at the magical 19,000 miles after 8 months again ...


  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The Jetta's all fixed up, it's been running fine since I picked it up at the end of July, when I had the drama at the dealer. I don't plan to ever go back to the dealer with it anyway, unless something breaks that's covered and it's affecting the performance of the car.

    Funny face. :) No, I am not getting rid of the car anytime soon. And I don't even wanna hear the comments, save them. :)

    I am not bringing the VW. The posts said if you don't have a Mazda, you are not invited. I only have a Mercury or a VW, no Mazda here. :(
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    You KNOW I was only joking about a new car. C'mon, this is our home discussion ... don't get all upset. It was a joke and I'm not going to continue, and you know it.

    Second ...

    DON'T call me "funny face."

    Third ...

    The only reason I brought up MAPP and your car is because Hank already defaulted on his rule and invited one of his friends in Pennsylvania who will be driving an Altima ... so I figure it's wide open now.

    There, that proves our friendship. You wouldn't have found out he dropped the vehicle requirement if I hadn't told you.

    The rest of you can kill me later.

  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    Wil did!!!!!! and it's Wil's buddy!!!!! >:O

    but I will take the requirement change into consideration... >:D
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I know you were kidding. I was pretty much calling you "smart a**", but typed "funny face" instead. That's what I meant. :)

    Secondly, after the way you all worked me about what happend at the dealer a couple weeks ago, I am surprised you would turn around and invite me to the MAPP.

    And third, I might not be able to attend. I am considering taking on a different PT job that might require some weekend work. I will know more later though.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Good to see that M and P!
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
    It sure would be nice to be able to attend, but I won't be able to make it this time...the school year has begun, and I need to actually go to work or something.

    Try to have fun without me!

  • the_big_hthe_big_h Posts: 1,583
    follow this link:

    If you know you are attending PLEASE fill the form out as complete as possible.

    Pretty much anything you'd want to know is on that page. It lists the location, how to get there, how much it will cost, and a list of who is going with their contact information.

    enjoy! :D

  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    I was just looking thru a Road & Track mag that I had at my desk and they gave a BRIEF explanation of their tests. Here's what they had to say in regards to G's and slalom:

    Handling tests evaluate a test car's abilities in other than a straight line. Lateral Acceleration around a skidpad measures the steady-state-lateral grip a car can generate. The result is reported in g's calculated using the average of the best timed laps, clockwise and counterclockwise, around a 200-ft.-diameter circle.
    Balance is subjectively evaluated by the test driver. Speed through a 700-ft. slalom is a test to analyze a car's lateral grip capabilities in transient state where it needs to weave through a series of eight cones spaced 100 ft. apart. The car is timed as it threads through the course and an average speed in mpg is calculated. The car's Balance in this exercise is also rated by the test driver. "

    Hope that helps!
  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    but i still am not clear regarding g's.
    why don't they indicate the speed attained while achieving thoe g's?

    surely speed and g's have to have a connection. No?
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    That's probably why they don't bother publishing the speed. For the same diameter circle, the same lateral acceleration is reached at pretty much the same speed. Of course, there will be some variation depending on where the accelerometer is placed inside the test vehicle and how well they account for body roll (don't want gravity inflating those lateral-g figures, now do we?).
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    Wow! Long time no post!

    Jim, It's good to hear that you, Tippy, and your Protege are doing well! :-)

    Thanks Larry, I'll try to stop in more often, slowly catching up on my work schedule, now work til 2:00AM instead of 4:00AM. (Not bragging, complaining.) LOL!

    I was trying to remember what I was doing before all the crap hit my desk. Oh, yeah, I was on Edmunds and that other place. Seems like years ago.

    I was looking at 2002 Proteges at my dealer's yesterday, just to get out for while. Mazda really needs a new Protege! They are swapping parts between the LX and the ES to make the current models, such as the black grill bar and black headlight trim from the ES on all 5-speed LX models. Pathetic facelift! One new color looks good, it's between the Sand Mica and Silver Metalic, forget the name. I would like the Sage Green Metallic used on the MPV.

    Saw a Mazda MX3-v6 today, the little hatchback from years past, it had a Virginia plate -- XUM XUM. Still looked sharp.

    big_H, thanks for the road kill's view of Falls Church. jk

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I still think the '99-'00 ES was the nicest looking Protege, and that's after owning two '92s, my current '00 and my wife's '02 Protege5. In my opinion, the '01s and '02s don't look as classic in the front end -- dare I say "plain" -- I think because they got rid of the little chrome piece at the front of the hood and the amber signal light lenses. Whatever the case, I still think my '00 ES looks better. (And I feel Larry will support me on this.) And while I know they did it to stiffen things a little, I abhor that crease running down the middle of the hood in the '01s and '02s.

    Don't clobber me -- just my opinion guys.

    Looking forward to MAPP IV! I've already signed up as an "official" attendee.

    BTW Larry, you comin'?

  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    I actually prefer the "creased" hood on the 01-02 Proteges. I think it makes the Pro look more aggressive. The older hood looked like is was left over from the aeropod styling of the 2nd gen. Pro. The thing I wish I had from the 99-00 models is the headlights. The wrap around assembly on the 01-02 models breaks up the lines coming down the hood in an unnatural way to my eye. Maybe with the creased hood lines, they thought the older headlights made the front end look too busy. As we have seen with the Aztek, too many accent lines can get you into trouble.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I had a 1999 and then a 2001, and I never really could tell the difference with the creased hood, unless I saw the cars side by side. I like the 2001 front end better, with the integrated turn signal lights as well as the fog lights in the bumper. One good thing is that the 2001 doesn't leave big gaping openings in the front fascia if you didn't pay for the fog light option like the 1999-00 Proteges did.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    1. Both generations had optional driving (not fog) lights in the bumper.

    2. The '99s and '00s did NOT leave "big gaping openings in the front fascia" if you didn't pay for the option. My 2000 ES, which does not have fog lights, has covers over those openings that match the grille cover.

    I personally think the optional driving lights on either car are WAY too close to the ground, and are just asking for a wayward pebble to smash them to pieces.

  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Clear ones made from acrylic (easily smashed itself) or polycarbonate (much more impact-resistant), those open-grille mesh types (not as good IMO) or the clear flexible urethane 3M film (pre-cut or cut-it-yourself from a stock rectangular piece) would protect these $250 investments.
  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    Why don't these wayyyyy-overpriced options (what, four to five times the cost of aftermarket ones that DO come with covers?) come with factory covers? Hmmmmmmm?

    BTW, I'm very familiar with the need for covers. I installed a very nice set of Sylvanias (built for light, not for looks) on my old Protege. I was on the Blue Ridge Parkway in 1993, at night, behind an RV. He went through some gravel and here came a bunch of gravel bouncing down the road toward me, and the delightful sound of breaking glass from my front end. Hey -- they came with covers, but I was USING them at the time!

  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    are not optional on the 2001 and up ES models, they come standard.
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