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Mazda Protegé



  • snagy1snagy1 Posts: 55
    please provide a link for those lights, they look cool. thanks.
  • sells them

    Be sure to check out and do a search on gauge installation. The needles are very delicate and break easily. $300+ for a new cluster.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I just filled up and got 19 mpg. I have checked my mileage on every tank since the car was new. Previous worst mileage was 24 mpg. I hope it's some sort of measuring error. It is very cold here now and I know that extreme cold negatively affects gas mileage because the car needs to be warmed up for a bit. I'm not talking about 10 minutes of idling, just long enough for the idle to settle down a little. This is also the first time I've been beyond 3000 miles on my oil, but that shouldn't matter because it's Mobil 1 and Mazda recommends 5K intervals with dino. I hope the next tank is better.
  • 19 mpg? That is truly dismal! I get a rogue tank every now and then, but we are only talking about 24 mpg at worst. Then we have tanks like last week where I get over 380 miles on the tank (all highway as you can imagine).

    Man, do I like that instrument panel above!
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    to read this small type. Think I need to get a new browser. Been using Netscape 4.5 since 1998.

  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I just don't think I'm brave enough to mess with the gauge needles or take apart the dashboard. I wonder what they would look like in a 2001+ ES with red illumination for the window switch, HVAC controls, and radio?
  • I think it'd look a lot better, because red and blue naturally look better together. It's fairly simple to take apart the gauge cluster, five screws and it comes out. The hardest part is having the patience to gently slip the faces over the needles since they are VERY VERY fragile. Fortunately, whoever made these got it right and made the holes big enough for the needles to get through without resorting to cutting them.

    In other news, my Protege turned over 50K today. I'm slightly pissed, though, because I didn't get to take a snapshot of the mileage. I was distracted. Here's a shot of the car at 50,005 miles....STOPPED, hehe.
  • chicagoprochicagopro Posts: 1,009
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I think the Jetta has red controls with a blue display. Maybe Paul can confirm.
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Well, I had both our 2000 Mazda Protegé ES's serviced. Mine has 49,175 miles and Trudy's has 48,710 miles. Oil change, tire rotation, check battery condition, inspect brake lining, check alignment and I asked to have the trunk key cylinder lubricated on both cars. Everything was good. Both cars measured 6 on the front disc brakes and 4 on the rear drums. Overall, I nice service experience and I'm satisfied with the reliability of my 2000 PRO-ES over the last three years.

    Funny, at times even the service department likes to sell you add-ons to create extra profit for the dealership. I was offered... and I politely declined an Engine Power Flush (oil sludge out) and MotorVac Carbon Clean (fuel system cleaning) services. The funny thing was how my service rep, marked declined, on his copy of my service reports after he pitched those services. I had a feeling a sales push was under way because, they would page most everyone in the service waiting room to pick up the hospitality phone and have them talk with their service advisor. Every couple of minuets you would here Mrs. Smith or Mr. Green hem and haw something about next time or maybe at a later time. It was truly funny to see the looks on their faces. :-)

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    I'm interested to hear that you asked to have both trunk-lock cylinders lubricated. Is it because you've had to jiggle the key at times to get the trunk open?

    Mine has been doing that. Did the lube take care of the problem?

    I'm attributing it to the fact that the key has worn down somewhat over the years. Maybe I just need to switch to key no. 2 or just have a new key made ...

    I'm at 49,200 this morning. Time to call the dealership for that last-minute in-warranty look-see!

    BTW, I've been on synthetic oil since about 38,000 miles. Are you still using dino oil, and if not, have you considered going synthetic?


    P.S. (To Pat's chagrin) They're calling for 8 inches here tonight, with a lowball of 5 and an "in places" estimate of 10! Hopefully I won't have to come in to work tomorrow ... but I'm going to beat the supermarket rush this evening; we need a few things and since my boss is in Atlanta, I might take an "extended lunch" and stop by the store. No problem buying cold stuff at lunchtime; it's 16 degrees right now and only supposed to get up to 33 today -- so my Protege will have a new job this afternoon -- REFRIGERATOR!

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    The dash (Clint's) looks alot like the Euro cluster alot of people in my car club have for their VWs. Only I would get it, but the trip computer's reminders are all in German. I also can't justify spending $300 + installation for that either.

    Todd, to answer your question about what the red lighting on the radio, etc. would look like with those blue gauges, it would look like my VW does inside. I will snap a digpic of the car lit up tonight when I get home and post it so you all can see if you want.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    It was so cold when I got in the car this morning, I was fogging up the windows on the inside by breathing. :) God, I hate cold weather like this. It's suppose to snow for a little here, 2-4 inches tonight into tomorrow in MD. I am not trying to drive to work in the snow, so the car might stay home tomorrow and I will take the train to work. People in MD have a hard time driving when it's dry out, let alone snowing. :)
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    No real problem to begin with, I read your suggestion on the key cylinder stiffness?So, I asked the service advisor to check and lubricate. Heck, it's under warranty now,...if it blows up 6 months from now, me thinks they will go to bat for me and fix gratis?

    "BTW, I've been on synthetic oil since about 38,000 miles. Are you still using dino oil, and if not, have you considered going synthetic?"

    I have the dealer rotate my tires every 4,500 miles and change my dino oil at the same time. They top off my tires at 32 psi and refill the wiper fluid and best of all I get to go into the show room and sit in all the new Mazda and Toyotas!!!! I love going to the dealer every 10 weeks or so. I would feel like I'm wasting my $$$ changing synthetic so often. I'm just a new car junky!!

  • How much was the Carbon Clean and Oil sludge jobs? I was talking to a mechnic friend of mine about my engine starting to ping again, (this time, using 93 octane) and he said there's a lot of carbon build up in the engine causing spark knock. He said carbon clean, and some new spark plugs should do the trick.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    what kind of octane was you using before the pinging occurs?

    I have heard that the most oil companies put more detergents on the higher octane fuels. Myself, I put an 93 fuels now and then (1/5 tank) to clean the engine.

  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    "Only I would get it, but the trip computer's reminders are all in German."

    That would be a reason for me to do it. I think it would be cool to see that stuff in German if I had a German car. Who cares about the reminders when you can still read the numbers?

    Also, for some reason I thought all of the Jetta's illumination was blue. I guess not.
  • When I first got the car I used 87. Then it started pinging. Took it to the dealer, they said it was normal. I realized that if I used 93 octane, the pinging would go away, so that's what I've been using ever since.

    The problem is, 93 octane takes longer to detonate, so it's leaving carbon buildup in my engine. It doesn't 'clean' your engine out, it does the opposite.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    I thought pinging was caused by pre-detonation. If you're not having any pinging now, wouldn't that mean you're not having pre-detonation and therefore no excessive carbon buildup?
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927

    [... Note: Carbon Buildup was a common problem for the E28 535 caused by poor fuel quality. Many BMW's experienced rough idle due to carbon buildup while still under warranty.It is recommended you use premium gas at least once in every 4 fill-ups. The premium gas contains more detergents to remove the carbon deposits from injectors and gum/varnish buildup on valves. That said however, some Oil Companies add no additional detergents to their regular or premium fuel products... Ask your fuel company for information. ...]

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I forgot something actually. The controls are lit in red on the climate and radio. The DISPLAY of the radio is blue, as is the odo/tripmeter. Forgot the Pro ES's radio display is red. My fault. :)

    The new gauge panel is like $225 when you have to have VAG-COM to switch it out. Don't know if I wanna go through all that, but I have been thinking about it...
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    No, I think it's true: carbon build up makes the pre-detonation more susceptible to happen (since the pressure of the compressed gas get higher), therefore pinging could be a direct consequence of carbon buildup. Carbon buildup happens because of other factors like poor quality gas and/or a lot of city driving.

  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    That's not what I'm saying. Parallax said that the higher octane was causing excessive buildup. I'm saying that because of the lack of pinging using the higher octane, detonation is occurring when it should and there shouldn't be excessive carbon buildup (as opposed to driving around w/ pinging).
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I don't think using higher octane alone can cause carbon buildup, unless if the ignition system, including sparkplug, is weak.

  • mdaffronmdaffron Posts: 4,421
    ... and potentially doing more harm than good. Also some of what you said was incorrect, including the line, "I have heard that most oil companies put more detergents on the higher octane fuels. Myself, I put an 93 fuels now and then (1/5 tank) to clean the engine."

    Please, everyone who's posted in the last 2 hours, read this link!

  • ...that the car is now pinging w/ 93 octane. This leads me to believe that there's a lot of carbon buildup in the engine.

    I've always thought that you're not supposed to use 93 octane unless your manual recommends it. The Protege is designed to run on 87, so if I use 93, it's not burning all of the fuel which leaves deposits.

    Oh well, what do I know, I'm not a mechanic!
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    If I had a dollar for every time you've posted that link, I'd be a rich man :P
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    here is why:

    - the government regulation requires a *minimum" amount of additives in all gas. Nothing to prevent the oil companies to put more than government regulation.

    - I believe some of them indeed did, because I read a scientific study by a car magazine few year back: they bough the gasoline from the gas station and do the laboratory analysis, and there is a difference in the amount of detergent.

  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    My humble suggestion is:
    - check your ignition, starting with the sparkplugs as your mechanics have suggested.
    - use a fuel additive to clean your engine
    - push your engine now and then to the redline.

  • I've already ordered a new set of spark plugs and wires off (very cheap, OEM!!) I just thought I'd go ahead and do the carbon clean while I was at it. Thanks for the suggestions.
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