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Mazda Protegé



  • mazdanymazdany Posts: 28
    1. Does the Pro need to have it's bearings repacked? When?

    2. Does the Pro still need a chassis lube?

    The owners manual does not address these issues.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Don't know about the bearings being repacked, but I would think the owner's manual would say something about that. Maybe it's one of the 'inspect' things on the 30/60/90K list...

    The Protege's (and most new cars') suspension is lubed for life, no lubes needed.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    both front and rear are sealed bearings so no re-packing is needed.
  • Folks looking for all-season tires for pro's may want to check out the contiextreme contact, available in 205/55-15 and 205/55-16 for cheap. Letters from users are positive, but no tests yet.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    Proteges never had grease fittings, ever.
  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    I haven't seen many posts lately. Maybe everyone is either in DC PROtesting, folks, they don't mean our Pros, or watching the basketball tournaments?

  • fowler3fowler3 Posts: 1,919
    the oil fields we will be very happy we have economical cars. :D

    I heard some place if that disaster happens gas prices could stay high for a year or more. Hope our guys from Ft. Bragg get there in time.

  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    Basketball today (Duke-Carolina rematch makes my Saturday, although I am pulling for State to win it all). Sickness for the past week.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    in the 6 forum nowadays. There's even more activity in the Mazda3 sedan and wagon forums...

    BTW, my PRO is doing great!

  • chikoochikoo Posts: 3,008
    I rolled down my windows today, after 5 months.
    I was out of the prison :)

    WoW....the sweet roar of the 1.8L with the windows down...simply magnificent....My personal opinion is that this sweet throaty midrange roar cannot be accomplished by any ALL ALuminium engine... never.... CI block rules when it comes to tuning the engine for a sweet sound under acceleration & which does not peter down when shifting gears.
  • theparallaxtheparallax Posts: 361
    Short 750K WMV vido of my Protege and friend's Miata. Tell me what you think.
  • I hope Mazda is working hard, because the next auto I buy will be a hybrid or some other high fuel economy vehicle. As much as I enjoy zoom-zooming, I don't enjoy the prospect of driving on a highway paved with the death of innocent people.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    Oh yeah :)

    That's all I have to say.

  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    Careful Tom. Pat burned me on another board for bringing politics into the discussion.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    well, yes -- this is a car place. There are plenty of other sites on the web where those kinds of thoughts can be examined and argued and what have you. But most of our membership appreciates the fact that this site is a place to escape from all of that, at least for a time.

    So let's not go there, okay?
  • protegextwoprotegextwo Posts: 1,265
    Has the IRS officially started allowing the $2,000 hybrid fuel economy deduction for the 2003 Tax year? I tell you, the Honda Civic hybrid might be of interest to me with a $2,000 hybrid fuel economy tax deduction. I doubt, Mazda would invest in hybrid technology. Don't fit the Zoom Zoom image. However, Ford is looking at a hybrid technology for there infamous Exploder er...ah...Explorer Sport-utility vehicle. Maybe, Fords hybrid technology could find it's way into a future Mazda product?

  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    the whole hybrid thing. My old CRX HF got 60mpg without any special technology. Some old Metro or something got about the same thing. I know the CRX was just a 2 seater and these new hybrids are sedans and now maybe even larger, but for those just looking for a commuter car a 2 seater would be fine.

    If we're so concerned about mileage, but bring those high mileage cars back.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Marketing folk would have a hard time selling that now.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    IMHO, if we care about environment, we should start by:

    - providing better public transportations,
    - lowering the number of cars that driking the most of fuels: V8 SUV and pickup truck,
    - introducing more diesel engines.

    With respect to the car like the Protege, the hybrid will save 1-1.5 gallons per 100 miles, at most, and those V8-SUV consumes 2-2.5 gallons more. Pick your choice.

    The hybrid is a nice technological showcase, but it won't do much for environment, at least not for now.

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Has anyone here driven a hybrid vehicle on a test drive? They drive alot differently than the gas powered cars, at least the Toyota Prius that I drove did. It was very difficult to modulate the brakes, and the dealer told me this was because of the 'regenerative braking' system...

    If the US looked more into diesel fuel like Europe has, they'd be doing something. Diesel engines are a little 'dirtier', but alot less complex than hybrids and get a consistent 50mpg. The engines also require less maintenance and last along longer than their gasoline counterparts.

    Another thing no one mentions about the hybrids if the fact that those batteries have to eventually be replaced. Recycling those is not good for the environment at all...

    Also, even with the govt. discounts, you will have to drive a 'hybrid' vehicle for years to make up the difference in fuel cost savings vs. initial cost and maintenance of that hybrid system.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    I don't know why low-power cars like the CRX and Metro wouldn't make it today, the hybrids have about the same level of acceleration as those cars do. And they come without the complexity or extra cost on top of it.

    If the Metro was still made today, and was as substantial as the Civic, I bet they would sell out of them.
  • protege_fanprotege_fan Posts: 2,405
    Do diesels pollute less/more/same as conventional engines?
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    That's the one problem. They pollote more in their current state, due to the crappy diesel fuel that the US uses. Around 2006, the quality of the fuel is said to be improved. Truckers keep lobbying to keep diesel prices down though for now, which means the more refined diesel isn't here due to price. Since they pay for most of the fuel, they seem to get their way.
    The only diesel-powered cars on the market right now are the VW TDIs, so maybe the US will start producing more diesel powered cars as the diesel emissions gets cleaned up, and Americans gain more interest in diesel engines. That remains to be seen though.

    Speaking from experience, the TDIs run on biodiesel or reconstituted vegetable oil (I have seen it in person, otherwise I wouldn't believe it either), they produce a consistent 50mpg, their maintenance is lower than a gas engine, and they last longer (a good 300K miles). With the right tuning, they can have as much power as a gas engine too, and their torque is astronomical.
  • bluong1bluong1 Posts: 1,927
    I don't know about the US gasoil, but I have seen a recent study in europe that confirms the diesel engines release less toxic compounds. Diesel engines have great progress in their design lately. The "common rail" technique makes the engine almost as powerful as regular engines. Large torque are available at lower RPM. BMW ane Mercedes sale sporty models with diesel engines in europe, and Paul is right, diesel engine can use colza (rapeseed) oil.

  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    Like I said, if we would get the better diesel that Europe gets, and Americans would 'bite' with diesels, they would be popular here like they are in the US.

    The thing that makes diesel popular in Europe is its price and economy level compared to gas, which are lower and higher, respectively. BMW, VW, Mercedes, all makes sold in Europe have reglar and 'sport' models with diesel engines.

    I have seen firsthand what you can do to a TDI engine to make it perform. Its torque level would put a Dodge Ram V10 to shame...

    I also apologize for speaking off-topic in the Protege forum, just trying to spread some little known info about diesel engines.
  • newcar31newcar31 Posts: 3,711
    I think the reason why Europe has so many diesels is because their gasoline isn't government subsidised. I don't know if the US would want that many diesels here because the smog in major European cities is horrible from them.
  • vocusvocus Posts: 7,777
    You make a point about the smog, and current gasoline engines are cleaner than their diesel counterparts. But with the new emissions standards coming for diesels in the later part of this decade, that should help some.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    Plus all the safety features required today would make the car weight too much. I think you need at least 100hp to keep from being in danger. This is on the assumption we want a "real" 4 passenger car and not a dedicated mileage maker like the Insight.
  • maltbmaltb Posts: 3,572
    I know they were good on MPG...but for some reason I don't think they were that high. I thought they were right around 40 mpg.
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