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2014 Redesigned Corolla out this September
jimmytulsa
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So, good that the Corolla will be better, but too bad Toyota didn't go the extra mile on the redesign to put the Corolla back into the top tier of small cars as it was many years ago.
LED headlights are neat, yes. Pushbutton start I can do without, just something else to break and expensive to fix... and only a 3-year warranty on it! I prefer to keep my hands on the wheel vs. having them touching a screen while I drive. Also an expensive gizmo to replace should it break after the 3-year warranty. Rear backup camera is nice of course.
I am trying to figure out why "...the only compact car to still come in under 2900 lbs. enabling the 40 rated mpg" is important. The FE rating is important, but not that the car is under a certain poundage.
Don't get me wrong, it's nice to see a big improvement in a car sorely in need of an update. But Toyota clearly cut some corners (and yen) on the update, by retaining the old engine and 4-speed automatic. Personally I would have liked to see the money put into the powertrain vs. technobits like LED headlamps, pushbutton start, touchscreen radios, and paddle shifters.
The base model with 6MT might be pretty nice, if the price is reasonable.
Retail buyers will choose from the CVT-iS or the 6-speed manual (S model only).
Also I see that the push button start is NOT standard.
Why would people move up in the line if every luxury feature were standard? There are things called options. Not everybody needs a button to start the car. :confuse:
All the features you listed except LED low beams are becoming commonplace in this class as standard features, so it's time the Corolla caught up. The LED low beams are unique in the class so far, but we'll probably see that feature creep into the next batch of redesigns as the cost of LEDs drops.
OTOH, the 4-speed automatic is unique in the class too. :P
This is a big mistake for Toyota in several respects. One is that if they do sell a lot of L's to fleets, people will drive these cars with the antiquated 4-speed automatics and they won't compare well to the more modern transmissions offered by competitors. So they may pass on the Corolla when shopping for a new car.
You're not SUPPOSED to look for, or buy, the fleet model, and the dealership will discourage it once you get there. What economy car buyer will turn down an extra 3-4 MPG, and the bells-and-whistles that go along with moving up to the LE?
Why would a retail buyer want the old 4-speed anyway? It will probably lose 3-4 MPG to the new CVTi-S anyway.
Whatever "L" models the dealers have, which won't be many, as the dealer wants to sell higher trim levels, with more options, and higher profit margins, are intended for the fleet department, and are just advertised for pricing purposes only.
Toyota sells most of their fleet allotment in the first 3-4 months of the year, then move away from fleet to retail the rest of the year.
Automotive News puts out that Corolla's fleet is 23% right now, which is second only to Ford Focus. What they don't say is that Toyota will do virtually no Corolla fleet sales the rest of the year.
Toyota sold 10% of the company's cars fleet last year, and Corolla will probably be around 15%, and going down with the all-new model.
Exactly!!
But Toyota is going to make them anyway, and some will go to dealerships to be sold to retail buyers. And the units sold to rental fleets will eventually wind up in the hands of the individuals who buy cars from the rental outfits.
Other automakers have loss leader trims too. They offer 6 speed automatics, or CVTs. Or 6MTs. At least the new Corolla offers that!
Speaking of that, the buy out is $11,300. My car has 25,000 miles and is an "S" is very good condition. Do you think I can get any equity from a dealer as part of a trade?
This would make it the most fuel-efficient gas-powered compact car in America.
So it will have the same 140 HP as the Civic HF, but with 1 MPG better city and hwy.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1308_2014_toyota_corolla_first_drive/- viewall.html#ixzz2dEoYdeZw
Automobile: Although the all-new eleventh-generation car is different in almost every way from the model it replaces, this Corolla hasn't really changed. It does the same things -- which is good -- but doesn't do them any better than the competition, which is unsettling to say the least. The 2014 Toyota Corolla has improved, but its competition has improved more.
Apparently the Corolla is from a place where the Ford Focus, Hyundai Elantra, and Mazda 3 are unknown, and even the Chevrolet Cruze, Dodge Dart, and Honda Civic are unappreciated.i>
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1308_2014_toyota_corolla/#ixzz2dEp3z- oHi
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
You have to remember that even though it is a 4 speed auto, that Consumer Reports' real world MPG testing showed that the 2011 was rated the 3rd best MPG, only beat by a hybrid and a diesel. Not bad, I'd say.
Still, yes, it is surprising, and I would recommend that people that want automatic go for the CVT, due to the lower rpms and higher mpg, but for the higher mpg, first I'd have to see the pricing of all the models.
If it keeps the price of the car down, I believe there will be some buyers who will be interested as there are many drivers who cannot tell the difference between a 6 speed and a 4 speed transmission and don't really care.
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but on the positive seems like a improvement over old models like the dash and radio nice, cvt is nicer the sentra
On a side note. I stopped in at Enterprise Rent-A-Car today, and there were already 2 2014 Corolla's there. My local Toyota dealer only has one, a black S model.
Looks like Toyota is trying to get a jump on sales figures by selling to fleet off the rip...
But that would be logical to discuss wrt the Corolla... sure won't be any discussion about its crisp handling!
works great for 200,000 miles
The good news is, the interior trim, especially the dash and center console, is light-years ahead of the last few generations of Corollas in appearance and materials quality. Looked quite upscale with piano-black and metal (faux metal?) trim, and padded surfaces. The wheel was leather covered and grippy. Unfortunately, it doesn't telescope out very far, so my arms were straighter than I wished. But otherwise the manual driver's seat was comfortable.
The other good news is, there's tons of leg room in back now. Plus there was plenty of toe space under the driver's seat, so I could really stretch out. (Sometimes there's enough leg room, but no toe space.) And the back seat cushion is high enough for good thigh support. So a pretty comfy place to be even for a couple of good-sized adults. Would be nice though if in a $22k car there was a rear center armrest, as on most competitors.
The lack of a rear center armrest was one sign of cost-cutting. Another was the vinyl/cloth interior in this $22k car. It was nice enough looking, but considering some competitors such as the Elantra offer leather (with front/rear seat heaters) for the same money, would be nice to see real skins for this price.
At least Toyota does offer a stick with upscale trim, including a moonroof. That's hard or impossible to get on some competitors on upscale trim levels. Another nice touch on the Corolla is honest-to-goodness protective side moldings, which have become very rare on new models.
So a pretty nice car, but unless I really needed the big rear seat, I'd most likely favor a car like the Mazda3i, which in Touring trim with moonroof is ~$1000 less sticker than the Corolla, and I bet a lot more fun to drive.