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  • joeandcarol2joeandcarol2 Posts: 152
    I own a 6 speed and beg to differ. 6th in the CL is considerably taller than say the 5 speed 330i. And is taller than 6th in the G35 Sedan or Coupe. Its also considerably taller than the 5 speed Altima V-6. Its way taller than the Audi A4 1.8T. Do the spreadsheet math and this is readily apparent. At 75 mph I am at 2,600 rpm. Quite tall be manual standards. By the way just for completeness, the new Saab 9-3 6 speed 6th is even taller than the CL-S
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 848
    "Acura to kill slow-selling CL coupe in fall"

  • jtkz13jtkz13 Posts: 51
    Today my local dealer will be attmepting to locate an Aegean Blue 6 speed CL-S, with and without navigation. I just want the one with the closest to zero miles as possible, and it will be flat-bedded to me here in metro Detroit.

    I was thouroghly impressed with the interior and handling of the CL-S 5 speed auto I drove at the dealership. I had previously been considering a 2003 Nissan Altima 3.5 5 speed, but that deal ended when the dealership pulled one too many foiled attempts at wringing me out of every cent possible.

    I'd like opinions from those with and without the navigation. With the 2.9% financing it is only about $35 extra a month for the navigation. Is it worth it? I would maybe use it once or twice a month, but it would more of a bragging rights feature for me.
  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    Actually 2,600 RPM at 75 is not very tall gearing. That is around 28.84 Miles per 1,000 RPM.

    Look at a corvette which runs around 40 miles per 1000 RPM. That translates to 1,875 RPM at 75. That is tall gearing.

    Or better yet look a the 6-speed Accord Coupe which runs 32 miles per 1000 RPM. That translates to 2,340 rpm at 75.

    Ideally rather than making a close ratio 6-speed , make a close ratio 5-speed and make 6th a very tall gear. The only reason car manufactures don't do this is that 6th would be really lethargic and you would have to downshift to pass and maybe even on hills.

    Even better would be a wide ratio six-speed. If you wanted a better power gear leave it in fifth. For true high mileage flat cruising use 6th.

    I am not sure why they are dropping the CL except that the Accord Coupe is pretty close to direct competition.

    If gear with a wide ratio 6-speed and with 260 horsepower, the lame duck CL could of or should of gotten around 35 miles per gallon :) and still had good low-end performance.

    I too only drive manuals!! and I bought my first new car in 1969, a 1970 Oldsmobile 442 with a 4-speed 365 horsepower 455 cubic inch engine. So go figure my years of driving :)

  • midnightcowboymidnightcowboy Posts: 1,978
    There is a $1000 rebate to dealer and the going price for a 6-speed with NAV is around $30K even
  • joeandcarol2joeandcarol2 Posts: 152
    Midnight cowboy. The gearing in the 6 speed CL is taller than all the cars I mentioned in my first post on the subject. But I question some of your figures. I know that the 6 speed Accord coupe uses the same tires, has the same final drive ratio and uses the same gearbox with the same ratios. Therefore the same 6th gear mph/rpm. Your 32 mph/1000 rpm is not correct. Do your homework. I agree that a tall 6th gear is very useful. I was making the point that the CL 6 speed was taller than most. And it is.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    The CL-S (auto version) is a much better highway cruiser than it is a city dasher. On the highway, the steering tightens up nicely, the car tracks like a locomotive with good road feel, there's plenty of power to cruise at 100+ mph all day long with good passing power without having to jump down a couple of gears, and the car is relatively quiet even up to 90+ mph. But around the town the steering feels loose, the car corners ponderously, there are tiny little (but annoyingly noticeable) surges in the power delivery in light throttle situations, and throttle tip-in and throttle on-off are less than smooth.
  • samangsamang Posts: 43
    I need some info.
    My 01 CL is at the dealer for a new tranny. All was fine until last Saterday. Typical symptoms. Car has 65k miles. Bought it in Mar 2000, 3rd week after release.

    My question is, did it do damage to other parts of drive train when it went to 2nd gear at 70mph? Also, I hear many who have lost more than 1 or 2 tranny's already. Comments appreciated.
  • rick27513rick27513 Posts: 29
    Samang, my 01 CL-S has 40k miles & no problems with the tranny yet. Can you (or anyone) describe the "typical" symptoms? I'm a little worried about that comment of the car going into 2nd gear at 70mph. Much of my driving is on the highway at 75mph. When it fails does it leave you stranded, or just limping home. Any clues on the actual root-cause, & what leads to failure?

    Anyone know of any "intermittent" symptoms that could be reported to the dealer, so the tranny is replaced BEFORE failure on a road trip??
  • samangsamang Posts: 43
    IMHO, first symptom was that car drove a little different, especially after a scheduled service. Normally, after an oil change, the car drive smoother for the next 3000 miles or so (I do 7500 mi change with Mobil 1). But after my 60k service, it did not feel "refreshed" if you will. I just thought my car was getting a little age, no big deal.

    Typical symptom for the tranny problem for 01-03 CL anf TL is shifting into 2nd for 2 or 3 seconds. It actually happened to my wife on night. And it happened 3 times, so I can't tell you what happens just before.

    After that, it did have a slight high pitched whirring sound when driving, can't hear it except in a back alley with windows down. Also TCS and check engine light stays on.

    Driving 30 mi to my dealer the next day, it did not down shift on me. However, it thumps a little when shifting from 4th to 5th. Something that normally very smooth. And also, shifting to 3rd for acceleration only brought up the rpm to red, without speed change. Felt like if you let the clutch out only half way on a manual car. But this is an auto.

    Can't think of anything else. No, not stranded, just shocked for about 5 seconds when it happens.

    I saw some posts on other boards where people have lost 2 or 3 trannies, and that it happened at 15k, 28k, etc. No one else seemed to have lost it as late as me, but then a lot of them were the "fast & furious" mod cars. At least one or two were lemmoned after 3 trannies. But I also heard it was lemmoned with prorated after subtracting you use of the car.

    Mine was 65k, highway miles mostly 75-90mph.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Did you use the SS mode a lot? Do you like to go between auto and SS frequently during driving? I'm trying to see if there is any correlation between use of SS and onset of tranny problems.
  • samangsamang Posts: 43
    Yes I do. At leas 50% of drive time is on SS.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    that kind of debunks any theory that frequent use of SS mode leads to premature tranny failure.
  • jgriffjgriff Posts: 362
    Well I hate to post this for fear that another thread will catch wind of it, but,,, my '01 CL trans crapped out just short of 36k & 35 months old. After almost 30 year of cars, this is my first car to have transmission problems. Something I expected from a Ford NOT Honda/Acura. At least I knew it could/should happen.

    Symptoms were just after backing out of the driveway & putting it into D, I got a loud thunk, kind of like missing a shift on a manual. A few miles later, after shifting from 2nd to 3rd the RPM redlined & whined, it did this 2-3 times on the way back to the dealer.

    Here the kicker, I had just picked it up from the shop (same day 4-hours earlier) after an oil-change, balance & rotate. The rotors are becoming another real problem (3-4 times now), I jokingly said to the service rep that Acura needs to extend the warranty on the brakes/rotors like the transmission. I must have JINX it, needless to say it has greatly lessen my opinion of Acura Q&A. My shop has 1 other TL/CL waiting on a tranny in front of me. At least my dealer has free loaners, so I'm not without wheels.

    Bodble ::: your front seat rocking are some bushing that need replacing (requires new & improved parts to be ordered). That was one of the other thing that was on my list to fix.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Re: front seat rocking. You mean the squeaking/creaking that I was complaining about earlier? It only makes the noise when the seat is empty though. So I'm not sure is it is rocking. It seems to be coming from the hinge between the seat and the backrest. It also comes and goes, though mostly comes.

    And it's ironic that you mentioned rotors 'cause at a bit under 16,000 miles, mine is starting to have very slight shudder when braking under light pedal pressure.

    I have not experienced any of the tranny symptoms posted by others, but there is the occasional hiccup that makes me wonder.

    Most of all, it makes me wonder if I shouldn't dump the car before real symptoms start manifesting themselves.
  • samangsamang Posts: 43
    I did have rotors done early on when I got the car. I am thinking within 15000 miles of owning the car. Back then, i thought it was just great of Acura to re-surface the rotors and throw in a set of new pads for free. Now I know the real story. Didn't realize it was an on-going problem too.

    I have to say, I am also dissapointed in the quality of this model Acura. It must be the US plant. My wife had a 99 accord which I specifically picked out with a "J" vin number (import model). It drove 4 years with no issues at all, but then she only drove 20k in 4 years.

    Bodble2, noticed we have the same taste in cars. Did you already get the RX330? We love it. Dont anticipate as many issues as the Acura.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    No, I haven't pulled the trigger on the RX330 yet. I'm looking to get one in the summer BEFORE they switch to the Canadian production plant! I think I should go talk to my dealer soon since there may be a waiting list for one. It's almost certain the CL-S will be traded for the RX. Our other car is an '02 Accord V6. And while it is not the fastest nor most exciting thing on wheels, I find it to be incredibly practical and satisfying as a transportation tool -- an automotive Jack of all trades. Having to choose to retain the Accord or the CL-S, it's a no-brainer for us.
  • jgriffjgriff Posts: 362
    bodble2 :: I think the seat problems are all related. The tech knew exactly what the cause & solution were.

    I'm also thinking of un-loading my CL before it depreciate too much. And going back to Toyota/Nissan/Mazda 3 manufacturers of which I have never had any serious problems. I’ve pretty much scratch off the up coming TL off my list.

    According to the other CL site, the transmission may/will re-occur.

    The other problem with Hondas is they get stolen like crazy.

    I really do like the new RX330, just not sure I want to spend that much $$$. For an all-purpose vehicle, I'm thinking about the Mazda Tribute (plus 5year 0%, 4/50k warranty). It has been on the market 3 years, getting some of the bugs worked out of it. I know that the Tribute is not all rosy, but I don't think any manufacturer is totally immune to problems. At any rate I’ll get a fresh warranty.
  • cookiehwcookiehw Posts: 1
    Hi everyone,

    I am in the process of purchasing a new CL in Texas. Then, I will drive it to California, where I work. But some people told me, even with the higher TTL and price, buying directly at California still would be cheaper. Is it true?

  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Just curious about your thoughts on the new TL, and why you would eliminate it so early. The photos of the concept TL look promising. The fact that it is shorter than the current TL is a plus. Not sure though how closely the production model will follow the concept. If the new TL comes with AWD as an option, I would be first in line.
  • jgriffjgriff Posts: 362
    bodble2 :: Oh I like what I've seen & heard about the TL so far, as I did when the CL hit the market. And the new TSX looks good too. I'm just not one to take another chance & get burned if Acura does not get it right again. The CL was their first crack (in the USA) at a 5-speed AT. Not sure if they could get a TL/awd right or not.

    Sure seems like they have been doing their level best to supress/hide any & all bad press regarding the transmissions/rotors. Just not sure whether to simply take it as a little bad luck or what. Sure gives me a sour taste in my mouth.

    I can accept a few "one-time" small problems, but the re-occuring, or the major ones!!! Maybe everyones trannies are not as solid as they use to be, I don't know.
  • rmd12345rmd12345 Posts: 3
    I also just started to notice some slipping from gear to gear on my 2002 CL Type S at 40,000 miles.
    I see that Acura extended the warranty to 70,000 miles on transmissions for this model, most likely because of this.
    The problem seems to be that it stays in gear too long and then jumps up or downshifts to the next gear.
    I'm starting to think about trading it in now since I'm having too many odd problems like this with this car. I bought it thinking that Acura and Honda would be virtually trouble free.
    Problem is that its depreciation rate isn't all that good either.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    since you own both the CL-S and RX. Do you suffer from (power) withdrawal symptoms when you go from the CL-S to RX?
  • samangsamang Posts: 43
    bodble2, I actually dont have a type-S, spent the $2k on the nav instead. But, I personnaly did not think the type S was that much different to drive (I think due to the extra weight). With that said, I think the RX330 is an extremely fast car/wagon for it's size. Plenty of power, so, in short, no. I have not had power withdrawals... :)

    I think it's the way it is geared (transmittion wise), but the RX is a little shift happy, as in it likes to stay in high gears. Otherwise, I enjoy both cars.
  • samangsamang Posts: 43
    Got my car back yesterday. So glad to dump the Jeep Liberty from Enterprise. But then Acura paid for the rental so I should not complain. CL was in the shop for 9 days.

    They changed the tranny and ECU, I beleive this is the chip that controls shifting. Tech told me that early replacements were tranny only, but Acura found out the chip is the culprit for the problems. Supposedly the chip is allowing the tranny to shift too hard. Which I agree, I always thought the original tranny was extremely fun to drive with. Tech said that they are re-calling the early replacements to come in for a new ECU also.

    With the new tranny, it is a remanufactured unit. Supposedly, case is old, but insides are new. It drives a little differently. Shifting is smoother, more german car like. Doesn't mean it's slower, just not as aggresive. And I think it tends to stay in the taller gears a little longer. But I think using SS can fix that problem. That's all folks.
  • mapman1138mapman1138 Posts: 68
    Color me impatient.

    The wheels have been put into motion... it looks like I'll be trading the 6MT in sometime in late July. The car has been supremely reliable, and works as advertised, but in the course of 14 months and 16,000-odd miles, I just haven't "bonded" with it.

    If anyone is looking for a pristine, well cared for Aegean Blue (Non-Navi), at about that time, let me know! Bone stock except for a Momo short anatomic shift knob & matching shift boot, both in black leather.
  • samangsamang Posts: 43
    Try Vandergriff Acura in Arlington TX, or MacChurchil in Ft Worth.

    I know Vandergriff discounted mine and i bought it 3 weeks after intro of the 3.2 cl. Others still think they can get MSRP+markup on a CL that's already discontinued.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    At first they said they had ascertained that the problem was due to some defect with the 3rd gear clutch pack or something like that, and that it was a problem with the supplier. Now they are saying it's the ECU?! Why don't they recall all the cars to replace the ECU then? I hope this isn't the Honda spin doctors at work.
  • jgriffjgriff Posts: 362
    I gotta hand it to Acura & my service dept., my trans died on Thu. eve. 5/22, they ordered the parts on Fri. Mon. was Memorial Day, & my car was ready Wed. eve. Turn around was 3-business days.

    samang :: I also notice that my CL is not as snappy as it once was. But the question is, is the problem truely fixed or is it prone to happen again ??

    I'm trying to decide, whether to keep it or cut my loses and move on.

    Can anyone advise ??
  • alkanxalkanx Posts: 69
    Just a word of caution, I was sold a CL-S that had hail damage, Texas is known for hail damage, need to look closely. Dealers would pull your leg. Some damage is minor but car cannot be sold as brand new according to Texas Law.

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