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Mazda Protege5



  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    Perhaps it is just Shinsens as that is what I own. ;-)
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    Met the dealer this morning and of course on our drive he doesn't feel any clutch chudder(shudder and or chatter). It's quite possible, as I didn't feel it yesterday either. It's a dry day today, and it mostly happens on damp mornings. Without dew on the car this morning I had the feeling I was in trouble. He still has my car thoughk, so I've asked him to drive it a few more times today.

    While on the drive he did feel the break pulsations I've had lately. I've avoided even bringing that up to anyone as I didn't feel like paying for new brakes already. He said he could replace the rotors under warranty which should fix the problem. Since I have the rental car till the end of today, I told him to keep mine and replace them. So maybe by the time I get back to pick it up he will have verified the chudder.

    So at this point, if they don't feel it today, I asked him if he would consider driving it for a few days. I figure that's the best way to know for sure he will feel it. He didn't really respong to that, but I may pursue it further if I can't get Mazda to do anything else.

    And btw, I I I I have have have an an an Echo Echo Echo. I think it's nice for what it is, cheap transportation. I do LOVE the center pod guages. It took me about 5 minutes to stop looking down for my speedometer and get accustomed to it and the center position is very natural. I would love that to become a design standard.
  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    The only reason that auto makers have adopted the center gauge design is to save money. They do not have to design 2 different dashes for different markets. Ergonomically, it is not as good as a having the gauges right in front of you. Instead of having to look down, as with traditional gauges, you have to look down AND to the side. The best place for gauges would be right in front of you, but that would tend to get in the way of actually driving the car.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    Well, in the Echo I don't have to look down, I just glance to the right. It's at a great level for me.

    On most cars, the steering wheel blocks my gauges so that a quick look down results in seeing nothing. I have to look down and adjust my head to see what I want to see.

    Maybe all center pod designs are not created equal, but in this case I find it far superior to the standard setup.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    Got my car back. Of course it's a sunny warm afternoon so even the 2nd drive didn't get me any results.

    But at least I got my rotors fixed so now my braking is very smooth again.
  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    Well, I guess it is good that it works well for some people. I didn't find it so convenient when I test drove an Echo. I definitely had to look down and to the right.
  • I became a proud owner of a brand spanking new shiny bright Vivid Yellow P5 last Friday...even my wife is impressed. Got the Moonroof/CD, Side Airbag/ABS and 5-spd manual, it's the first new car I've ever owned. I'd like to thank ALL of you out there who've posted your thoughts, as I read this forum (and others) voluminously to get all the info I could beforehand. Price was $16,500 (list $18,830, don't remember invoice off the top of my head), probably could have haggled another hundred bucks or so but I'm so happy I could just spit. Also test-drove the Impreza Outback Sport and the Vibe. I've always loved Subarus but the 2.5L drinks WAYYY too much gas for my taste (at 100 miles/day that's an issue) and feels confined due to the steeply raked side windows. Vibes with manual transmissions are few and far between, the shifter when you DO find one is set uncomfortably far towards the front, visibility out the back and sides is poor...AND the dealer said that they were selling so fast that they were getting sticker price for them. Even if it's true that's not a good start to bargaining IMHO.

    First tankful on the P5 I got 33.5 mpg...not as good as the 40+ I could get on my old Escort, but the trade-offs are worth it.

    Thanks again to all of you.

    Ernie Lowell
  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    Congrats. I hope you enjoy your new wheels. Be careful not to run it too fast. I understand that yellow is becoming the new red as far as traffic cops are concerned. It doesn't help since yellow stands out much more than red. It sure looks great on the P5 though. Be sure to post some pictures for us in the Mazda Protege Owners: Photo Gallery if you can.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I think the yellow P5 looks best, with red being a close second. :)

    I think you got a great price on it too.
  • allen53flallen53fl Posts: 41
    It's what I say EVERY TIME I drive it or when I come into the house! Of course, I've only had it since Monday, but first impressions are very meaningful! I e-mailed a friend that it has a driving "fun factor" that I've missed for a VERY long time and that I feel like it's knocked off ten years in attitude, (only wish it could knock off ten years in the looks dept! Ha Ha -- I'm pushing 50 here).

    Had it only a short time, but it's already getting a workout, Home Depot (garage storage units), and we are going to pick up a table tomorrow.

    That Melbourne dealer is up that way...still debating whether or not to drop in w/my new P5 and "rub it in" as to WHY I didn't purchase it from them, (BTW, "rub it in" is way too strong of a phrase, I guess -- my apologies). I would like to at least talk to them....(we are on good terms). Oh well, it's "their" business and they can run it anyway they like, not my problem.....

    I am a VERY happy camper w/my new P5!!!!

  • Just put a pic in the Photo Gallery (thanks for the suggestion)....

    Over the last few days did 410.4 miles on 10.841 gallons (and I'm not even cheating on the numbers)...unless my calculator is broken that's 37.85 mpg.

    And it's STILL the slickest-looking thing on the road!
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I think it's the best-looking thing on the road these days too.

    My wife used to think she could tolerate the Matrix's looks (good thing the IP turned her off as well). She parked her P5 next to a Matrix at work one day and thought her P5 was much better looking. I guess the Matrix got Bangled up. ;)
  • icvciicvci Posts: 1,031
    I've been looking at some production photos of the Mazda3 over the last couple of days. It's looks really nice and I LOVE the interior. They really are two completely different looks IMO. I think the 3 is going to sell like hot cakes. If it has the handling of the P5 with the interior I'm looking at, it is a sure thing. There isn't a car in it's class that will compete.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I'd be happy. I'm hooked on plugging my iPod directly into my car stereo. Much better sound than using an FM transmitter and less bulky than using a cassette adapter.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    I've written 2 letters to Mazda about aux inputs. All it has gotten me so far is a few free movie rentals and a zoom zoom sticker.

    I just can't understand why it's not standard in all cars. It's so cheap it's silly. Not all of us want to change out the head unit to get what we want.

    My wife will probably be buying an Element in the fall and it has an aux input, yay!
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    My guess why they don't put the aux port is the lack of demand. The past two posts are the first time I have heard anyone asking for a aux port on the Pro5... I understand why it is a desirable feature for you and totally agree that it's a nice feature if you use it.

    if you figure in engineering, part and install costs and then add that to lets say 300,000 proteges a year it works out to millions of dollars for a feature than maybe 5% of the buyers would use.. OTOH I think it should be available as an extra cost option for those who want the feature.
  • subyaudidudesubyaudidude Posts: 136
    "if you figure in engineering, part and install costs and then add that to lets say 300,000 proteges a year it works out to millions of dollars for a feature than maybe 5% of the buyers would use.. OTOH I think it should be available as an extra cost option for those who want the feature."

    Let's say that it costs Mazda $10/car to add the aux input. I doubt anyone would raise an eyebrow at a $10 MSRP increase.
  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    A $10 increase for AUX ports most buyers will not use could also translate into an extra $10/car increase for other options you or I might not find useful. Teh AUX port is nice to have and I would welcome one since I have a CD changer, but otherwise?

  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    but I think I've mentioned it on the sedan and modifications forums here and I think on the 6 "what people really buy" (or something like that) discussion.

    With the profileration of new audio sources (portable MP3, minidisc, XM & Sirius), it'd be silly for Mazda to ignore them. Some of us take our "boom boom" as seriously as our "zoom zoom" y'know. Remember that most automakers scoffed at built-in cupholders when they were first introduced. Now we have cupholders everywhere (and the Pro still gets dinged for lacking them for rear passengers). People actually base their purchase on little details like that. If Mazda truly believes "it's the little details", then they wouldn't ignore this.
  • meinradmeinrad Posts: 820
    someone doesn't ask for it, doesn't mean they don't want it.

    My guess is the actual amount of people who would love to have the input would be pretty big.

    These boards alone show you how many people have put in aftermarket head units to get what they want. More than a few might not have done so if they had a simple little plug on the dash.

    Engineering, parts, and install would be minimal. Even if they would continue to use this stupid modular radio, all that is needed is a little plug and a wire. Sell it from the parts department for $20 and be done with it.

    But the best thing would be for all car manufacturers to quit designing these radio systems and just design a hole for a standard radio and let us pick what we want. Offer something standard in the car, and make it easy for people who want more to add it. Best of both worlds.

    ......and I like the cupholder analogy
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    A car is dead w/o cupholders these days, even the "luxo" or "performance" brands.

    I chose my aftermarket unit for the following: front AUX input (rears need not apply), rotary encoder, minimally-distracting display. What I got isn't the best (wanted bigger buttons and dials, dedicated clock display, ability to play MP3-encoded CD-Rs), but delivered most of what I wanted at a decent price (I wasn't about to spend $500-700 on some makes' top end units that included a front AUX jack). Thus, I was limited to Aiwa and JVC.

    Seriously, I am in love with my iPod and won't consider a car that doesn't either come stock with an AUX input or allow me to easily put in an aftermarket unit with one. The FM transmitters are junk, IMO, so don't go there. I could burn CD-Rs of my collection, but I've got over 5GB of MP3s (all legal, BTW), so they'd take up a bit of space. An MP3-capable head unit might work, but not all software burns MP3-encoded discs that work with all players. Plus, new formats come out all the time as they improve compression schemes (like AAC and whatever format that Microsoft is trying to push to replace MP3).

    I still remember when cars didn't even have tuners in them. Now the "baseline" is a 4-speaker system with a tuner/CD-player, unless you've got a real "stripper", which still include at least a tuner.

    Oh well, enough said here. I've gotta send a bunch of requests to Mazda NA to drive this point home.
  • boggseboggse Posts: 1,048
    I am currently in the process of re-ripping all of my CDs into the new AAC format. So far, I have saved myself about a gig of storage due to the better compression AAC offers. I expect to double that when I am done. The down side is, all of the aftermarket head units decode MP3 and/or WMA, but not AAC. I must make do with an AUX input for now. Still trying to figure out which one to buy for the P5 and the Miata.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    I'm probably going to re-rip all my CDs into AAC format. Geez, I'm not looking forward to that amount of work, but I keep hearing it's so much better than MP3 (although I use VBR with 128 set as the minimum). I'll give it a test run with a couple of favorite tunes first to see if I can hear the difference myself.

    And the iPod is no longer the only deck-of-cards size MP3 jukebox out there. These things are only getting more popular and should be considered by auto manufacturers to differentiate their product. Will they be leaders or will they hang onto someone else's coattails?
  • russ32russ32 Posts: 1
    Seeing as the rear license plate is only secured at the top, it rattles when you close the hatch. Any ideas to fix this?
  • tetonmantetonman Posts: 73
    I've used a fairly heavy plate frame and then used two way tape to hold it down. No problems so far and it made it through a Chicago winter.

    I remember seeing this topic earlier, around October or November of last year??? You might want to search and see what you find.

    Good luck.
  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    sirius is on the way....Ford signed a deal with them to a couple months ago to supply all of the ford family of companies..mazda included.

    the bad part is I don't have any word as to availability yet. But I suspect the 2004 model year will offer at least some models with sat radio.

    This is one of those features that I am hearing from some customers...not huge demand yet, but certainly enough interest to offer the feature.

  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Stick-on rubber feet might work.

    I actually use the plastic advertising plate from the dealership (the one they give you for the front with your temp tag) under the license plate. It seems to dampen the rattle fairly well.
  • mazdafunmazdafun Posts: 2,329
    Thanks for the info. I'm glad they're responding. Perhaps it makes more sense to put pressure on Ford then as Mazda doesn't depend as much on US sales as Ford does.
  • subyaudidudesubyaudidude Posts: 136
    Will there be a retro-fit for older models that's worthwhile, or will going the aftermarket route still be cheaper?
  • hurler4hurler4 Posts: 104
    I have heard a lot of people complain about the fairly thin paint job of the P5, causing chips to occur more often than with other cars. Does anyone know if the anti-chipping tape that is available on the Toyota Corolla can be used on the P5? Has anyone tried this?
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