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Ford Focus ZX5



  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,565
    You are comparing a Passat to a Focus? Passats are not in the same size classification as Focus at all, and certainly not in the same price range. Please compare apples to apples please.
  • fdthirdfdthird Posts: 352
    Good point. We went through this last year when people were comparing the Focus to $20,000+ cars. I think that's a big problem people have with cars they've bought. They want to pay $16,000 but then the want the amenities, styling and quality of the $25,000 cars!
  • apples to apples....focus to the mazda3....the 'refreshened' focus wouldnt hold its own when compared to the 3. the stylin of the 3 is great inside and out with the interior in the 3 kicking nearly everyone in the class' butt. the new interior on the focus just isnt all its cracked up tobe, its no longer unique or interesting to sit in front of. pretty soon we'll see the focus going the way of the taurus....rental car heaven if they dont do something exciting with it in the future. i was only talking baout the materials in the passat. not really comparing the whole vehicle....lets use the jetta or the gti for example or even the golf. all have far better quality materials. to say that the focus is going to be similar to this, sure, but the fit/finish, material and look wont even be up to par. i love my focus now, i just dont like what happened to the new one. its like a slap in the face.
  • Yea I agree focus090, and I think Ford here has changed its demographic a bit. I'm sure it is expecting many focus people to go to the lovely Mazda 3. Best thing I can figure is they are trying to compete with import buyers with a solid if more bland Focus. Its about time they try this because they abandoned this demographic for the last many years, and in that time crappy quality cars like Hyundai and Kia got market share Ford could easily of captured. Need to realize there roots in the economy car that put all Americans behind the wheel. Anyone know the mpg numbers on the new engine?
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    for an '04 ZX5 comfort in sangria red today; 2.3 & auto are the only options.

    Paid $10,800 plus trade. I know it wasn't the best deal in the country, but I don't live in a dense urban population where the dealers can make up for lower prices by selling more cars. At least that's how I rationalize it. :)

    Oh, and it's my first new car.

    So, in the words of Danny DeVito: "I'm one of us!"
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    my first tank netted me 29.56 mpg in my rural hwy setting. My old truck would get 14, and my Crown Vic averages 19.
  • jinx13jinx13 Posts: 2
    I posted this question in the smart shoppers section as well, but maybe y'all can help me too-- I'm deciding between 2 zx5's - one in yellow (which I like), premium pkg, leather seats, side air bags, 6-cd changer, 16 in. wheels, for 13,100 (sticker price ~19,000). BUT, it doesn't have ABS. There's another red zx5, comfort pkg, with ABS but no side air bags, for 13,500 (sticker price ~17,500). I can't decide whether ABS is so important to me that I should skip the deal on the car with more options... but it does have side air bags, so I'd be more likely to survive an accident, if not more likely to avoid one! Any thoughts?
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    Why is the car with the lower trim level (comfort vs. premium) $400 more?

    Having asked that, ABS was a must on our ZX5. It will be our daughter's car when she turns 16, and I don't think we would drive a car that didn't have that option.

    The way I see it, you use the brakes pretty much every time you drive the car, whereas the side airbags are used only in the worst case scenario (you get t-boned).

    Where do you live? Do you get a lot of rainy or snowy weather?

    Is there a difference in insurance costs? I know many insurance companies are not offering discounts for cars with ABS, where they might for the side air bags.

    Good luck, and let us know what you end up doing.
  • lngtonge18lngtonge18 Posts: 2,228
    Get the car you like. Don't settle for a color you don't like just to get ABS. I've always been a big proponent of ABS but I didn't limit myself only to cars that had it. I ended up buying a car without it because none of the cars on the lot had the option. In a year's time, I've never encountered a situation where I locked the brakes or saw a need for ABS. In fact, in 9 years of driving, I've only been in 2 circumstances where it could have come in handy, but only 1 involved an actual accident. However, I live in Florida which doesn't see snow or slush. We do get plenty of rain though. If you live in an area where its wet a lot or winters are fierce, I would consider ABS a higher priority.

    It seems the yellow ZX5 is the better deal since it has more equipment and the color you like for less money. Plus it has the added safety of side airbags. I'd go for that one.
  • nedc2nedc2 Posts: 192
    With the possible exception of someone doing most of their driving in the Needles CA area, ABS is a far more important consideration, you still have to know how to use it, especially if the car doesn't have "panic assist" ABS, but it can pay for itself many times over. It should be standard on ALL cars.
  • focus090focus090 Posts: 85
    brakes are brakes, abs isn't a MUST HAVE. youd save yourself some cash w/o em
  • frenchcarfrenchcar Posts: 247
    .Help us out.....we used to own a 2000 ZTS that had a lumbar support in the drivers seat and it was a killer. Around town it was ok but on a trip the front seats were killers to us. I just wrote to Ford and asked them if the 2005 seats were improved or changed along the way in recent years. They didnt know but referred it to an engineer who has never answered. Some of you might know if the seats were improved or perhaps the ZX3 and ZX5 have different seats than the sedans?? My dealer doesnt know and they only got in a couple of 05 sedans (the cheap ones).
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    but I do believe the ZX3 & 5 seats have more side bolstering than the sedans & wagons.

    At least it seems that way...
  • I am planning to buy a 2005 ZX5. I need to be able to carry 2 kayaks on the roof. I went to Yakima's web site and they don't sell a roof rack system for the ZX5. Does anyone out there have a ZX5 who has transported kayaks on the roof? If so, what company makes the racks?
  • SylviaSylvia Posts: 1,636
    You might want to check Thule -
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    any of you with the 2.3 motor change your own oil yet? I'm about to, so I went ahead and got 5-20 Motorcraft oil at Wal-mart for $1.42 a quart, but they don't carry the filter. So I went to my local Ford dealer, which had to order it, and it cost me $5.50. The parts guy actually discounted it from $7 because he thought that was too high. So I guess I'm just curious if my dealer's gouging me, or if this filter is just that expensive...
  • markus5markus5 Posts: 102
    My first change the dealer took care of. Come time for the next change the dealer could not doit promptly so I went across the street to a Jiffy lube. Before I let them take it in they assured me that they had a filter to fit in stock (I had read that they were expensive and hard to come by) After droping the oil and filter they realized that indeed they did not have a replacement. One of the shop guys had to walk across to the dealer and purchase a Motorcraft filter to complete the job which they contracted for. They did not dare ask me to pay the excess cost of this part. During the summer I will be using a semi-synthetic 5w-30 oil
  • iusecadiusecad Posts: 287
    after I got home I looked at the filter a little closer and found "MFG UK" so I'm assuming it was made over there. If that's true, it probably costs more to ship it than it does to make it...

    I would rather go to the dealer or a quick change place than change it myself, but it seems every time I do I end up with oil/grease stains all over my interior. Apparently those disposable plastic seat covers they used to use are too expensive ;)
  • I'm also debating on whether or not to get ABS. I don't have it now, and I've never driven a car with it. Right now I have a 1994 mercury topaz, so needless to say I'm looking for some new wheels. he-he
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    ABS is probably worth the money and effort to get if you drive in the rain a lot, or downhill. Or if you have narrow tires. Otherwise, if you practice to the point where you threshold-brake instinctively in emergencies (it's easy to panic and forget) you won't get much advantage out of ABS.
    Upgrading to wider tires (usually on wider rims) helps decrease the difference between your brake's maximum potential and your tires'.
  • I would say ABS is a definite plus; it can adjust to road conditions far faster than you can. You might get threshold breaking down instinctively for dry roads, but add a little water and the coefficient of friction changes which means the lockup point changes. The biggest thing to remember about ABS brakes is to hold the pedal down regardless of any noises you hear or vibrations you feel.

    One last point, the only time ABS brakes are not a plus are when dealing with loose surface conditions such as sand or snow. Since most people aren't going to take a ZX5 off roading, I think the only reason (other than expense) not to get ABS would be if you deal with alot of snow covered road situations.
  • Any comments on the performance of the 2.3L engine in this setup? Is it noticably better than the 2.0L ZETEC? Is this the identical drivetrain to the Mazda3?
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 370
    I recently test drove 2 ZX5s. A 2004 w 2.3 & AT & 2005 w 2.0 (I thing the O% is a "Duratec") & 5spd.

    The 2.3 seemed to have noticably more power, even w the AT (that perception may have been enhanced w the kickdown shifting of the AT). However, I thought the interior layout & driver's seat in O5 was better. The 05 seat definitely had more bolstering, actally felt a bit tight & I am only 5'8" & 155 lbs. The 04 seat was felt flat, almost shapeless.

    I have been seriously considering replacing my 92 Civic Si hatch w the Focus. However, I would be much more apt to get a Focus if they offered the 2.3 in the 05 ZX5. I hope Ford will reconsider its engine availablity for the ZX5 in 06. Is there any Ford site where someone might listen?

    Mazda 2.3 has a bit more HP & less torque. The MZ3 5spd feels significanly more precise the the Focus. Not sure if there is any differences in ATs. I found the Focus AT is very smooth & responsive
  • 204meca204meca Posts: 370
    I am seriously considering a ZX5 for my next run-about car (replacing a 92 Civic Si).
    From what I can read, the 2.0 is a just adequate for this car & the 2.3 far better. Unfortunately it looks like the 2.3 is only available in 04 Zxs.
    So I would love to hear comments from owners with ZX5s that have both 2.0 & 2.3 with AT & manual tranny.

    2.0 owners, do you often wish from more power?

    What real world mileage are people getting with either engine?
  • michaellnomichaellno Posts: 4,300
    I have a 2003 ZX5 with the 2.0L and manual transmission. With 130HP, I don't feel that I "need" more power, but frequently "want" more power.

    My commute is about 60-70 miles per day, round trip. Mainly rural 4 lane roads and urban interstate. I've been averaging 30MPG for most of this time - not bad, but there are times I wish the gas tank was just a little bit larger. I can go back and forth to work for an entire week if I don't go anywhere else.

    Would I like the extra 15-20 HP the 2.3 brings to the table? Who wouldn't? Do I absolutely need it? In my opinion, nope.

    (Of course, I have two other cars in my household, a 180HP Saturn L300 and a 250HP Saturn VUE, so if I need an adrenaline rush, I can drive either one of those.)

    As always, YMMV.
  • bobsawyerbobsawyer Posts: 1
    I want to add an iPod adapter to my Focus' 6-disc CD changer. There is a control for AUX input, but I can't locate a convenient (ha!) input jack. Am I going to have to dismantle the dash just to add a line-in, or is there an easy way to get to it that I'm missing?

  • colleenmcolleenm Posts: 2
    Hi I just bought a Ford Focus 4-door Hatchback on Saturday and found when I drive long distances my foot falls asleep. Does anyone know how to remedy this problem?
  • lostlost Posts: 64
    Stuff an alarm clock down your sock.
  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
    Massage your foot with NoDoze
  • twistylocstwistylocs Posts: 20
    Hi everyone,

    After literally years of research, my husband and I took delivery of a 2005 Focus SX5 (SES) today. We're pretty happy with the deal we got, and we're not ashamed to say that if it weren't for the reduced prices we probably would have gone in a different direction. But it seems that the Focus' reliability has gotten better with the 2005, and we're pretty confident in our decision.

    I look forward to learning more from each of you, and to participating in this community! :)
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